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Depressing stuff 08:08 - Sep 12 with 698 viewsgordon

Obviously this should read "Me and Dom are a threat to the integrity of the UK" or "Brexit is a threat to the integrity of the UK".

Our future really all depends on whether there's anything at all that might make our rump of radicalised English patriots think again about what's going on, I guess. Great.

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Depressing stuff on 08:35 - Sep 12 with 647 viewsBudapestByBlimp

Yeah, but ... Sharon Stone
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Depressing stuff on 08:41 - Sep 12 with 645 viewsElephantintheRoom

Its true isnt it?

The EU has, by expecting the UK to honour its legal commitments driven the UK (well its government at least) to totally lose its integrity.

Odd that a lying windbag is allowed to public this drivel in a national newspaper without censure. If he was advertising sausage rolls every word would have been fact checked by a standards authority.

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Depressing stuff on 09:13 - Sep 12 with 602 viewseireblue

Not filled with a sense of pleasure and joy?
Would you like a Tory MP to come around and sing Rule Britannia, would that help?
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Depressing stuff on 09:20 - Sep 12 with 591 viewsSwansea_Blue

They’re desperate to have an enemy/a bogeyman to blame aren’t they? That’s how they were voted in in the first place and, seemingly, it’s all they know. Sadly, they’re probably right in thinking it will continue to work (as long as they have media willing to spread this nonsense).

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Depressing stuff on 09:28 - Sep 12 with 575 viewsHerbivore

Aren't there some sort of rules preventing the PM using a newspaper for what amounts to propaganda purposes?

I think we all need to write to the Press Complaints Commission as I imagine that Johnson's piece will be littered with the kind of factual inaccuracies that have no place in the regulated media.

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Depressing stuff on 09:31 - Sep 12 with 567 viewsEdwardStone

Depressing stuff on 09:28 - Sep 12 by Herbivore

Aren't there some sort of rules preventing the PM using a newspaper for what amounts to propaganda purposes?

I think we all need to write to the Press Complaints Commission as I imagine that Johnson's piece will be littered with the kind of factual inaccuracies that have no place in the regulated media.


I think broadcast media ( TV, Radio) is bound by much stricter rules than print

Newspapers can print any old krap without censure
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Depressing stuff on 09:31 - Sep 12 with 570 viewsgordon

Nice that John Major literally warned us before the vote in 2016 the very thing that Boris Johnson seems now to be realising - “The unity of the United Kingdom itself is on the ballot paper in two weeks’ time.”

https://amp.ft.com/content/02694772-2d9d-11e6-a18d-a96ab29e3c95
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Depressing stuff on 09:36 - Sep 12 with 555 viewseireblue

Depressing stuff on 09:20 - Sep 12 by Swansea_Blue

They’re desperate to have an enemy/a bogeyman to blame aren’t they? That’s how they were voted in in the first place and, seemingly, it’s all they know. Sadly, they’re probably right in thinking it will continue to work (as long as they have media willing to spread this nonsense).


Yep.

It also depends on people not remembering that he is talking about his own deal.

Either they did a bad deal, or didn’t understand the deal they did.

So pure incompetence. Or they new it was a fudge, and lied to the electorate.

Or of course, both.
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Depressing stuff on 09:42 - Sep 12 with 543 viewsgordon

Depressing stuff on 09:36 - Sep 12 by eireblue

Yep.

It also depends on people not remembering that he is talking about his own deal.

Either they did a bad deal, or didn’t understand the deal they did.

So pure incompetence. Or they new it was a fudge, and lied to the electorate.

Or of course, both.


It's taken us 4 and half years to get to this point - 4 and half years to do the eaisest deal in history, with us holding all the cards. And so far all we've managed is to accidentally sign a treaty which threatens the integrity of the United Kingdom.
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Depressing stuff on 09:48 - Sep 12 with 518 viewsHerbivore

Depressing stuff on 09:36 - Sep 12 by eireblue

Yep.

It also depends on people not remembering that he is talking about his own deal.

Either they did a bad deal, or didn’t understand the deal they did.

So pure incompetence. Or they new it was a fudge, and lied to the electorate.

Or of course, both.


It was well-publicised a year ago that the deal he'd negotiated essentially meant a border down the Irish Sea. None of this has come out of the woodwork, they've just realised how politically damaging it is and how unprepared they are to deal with the logistics of it given we're only a few months away from leaving.

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Depressing stuff on 09:49 - Sep 12 with 519 viewspointofblue

Depressing stuff on 09:36 - Sep 12 by eireblue

Yep.

It also depends on people not remembering that he is talking about his own deal.

Either they did a bad deal, or didn’t understand the deal they did.

So pure incompetence. Or they new it was a fudge, and lied to the electorate.

Or of course, both.


And this is what Starmer and co need to pound him with repeatedly during the debate for this change and at PMQs. Did he realise what he was signing? If yes, why did the PM of this country willingly sign away our sovereignty (to use his current reasoning)? If not, why has it taken this long to realise the consequences?

Incompetent or being deliberately misleading, PM... which is it?

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Depressing stuff on 09:53 - Sep 12 with 509 viewsgordon

Depressing stuff on 09:49 - Sep 12 by pointofblue

And this is what Starmer and co need to pound him with repeatedly during the debate for this change and at PMQs. Did he realise what he was signing? If yes, why did the PM of this country willingly sign away our sovereignty (to use his current reasoning)? If not, why has it taken this long to realise the consequences?

Incompetent or being deliberately misleading, PM... which is it?


Yup, I think Starmer and the Labour strategists have to try and get beyond their fear of being called remainers now.
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Depressing stuff on 09:57 - Sep 12 with 496 viewspointofblue

Depressing stuff on 09:53 - Sep 12 by gordon

Yup, I think Starmer and the Labour strategists have to try and get beyond their fear of being called remainers now.


To be fair to them this should be an easy shot - it has nothing to do about leaving the EU and all about the deal that he put to the House to facilitate it. As said at the time, the greatest irony of all of this is they removed May when she actually had negotiated a better deal than Johnson managed, particularly over the status of the island of Ireland.

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Depressing stuff on 10:44 - Sep 12 with 400 viewsBasuco

Depressing stuff on 09:31 - Sep 12 by EdwardStone

I think broadcast media ( TV, Radio) is bound by much stricter rules than print

Newspapers can print any old krap without censure


Yes, it is also a well known tactic of Boris & Dom to feed misinformation and untruths to party friendly newspapers and also put it out on social media as facts, when they know it isn't. The subject is then spoken as fact by readers but there is no trace back to the PM or his office. He just blames the Sky, Sun, Telegraph, Mail, and their Sunday editions for the factual errors.
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Depressing stuff on 10:48 - Sep 12 with 390 viewsSwansea_Blue

Depressing stuff on 09:31 - Sep 12 by gordon

Nice that John Major literally warned us before the vote in 2016 the very thing that Boris Johnson seems now to be realising - “The unity of the United Kingdom itself is on the ballot paper in two weeks’ time.”

https://amp.ft.com/content/02694772-2d9d-11e6-a18d-a96ab29e3c95


Project Fear. That'll never happen

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Depressing stuff on 10:51 - Sep 12 with 383 viewsSwansea_Blue

Depressing stuff on 09:36 - Sep 12 by eireblue

Yep.

It also depends on people not remembering that he is talking about his own deal.

Either they did a bad deal, or didn’t understand the deal they did.

So pure incompetence. Or they new it was a fudge, and lied to the electorate.

Or of course, both.


Or people wanting to remember. Or even caring that this is going on rather than just cheering 'their' side whatever happens (the great irony of course is that Johnson & co are as far from being on their side as possible).

As for whether they knew what deal they were making, I find it hard to believe they didn't given it was pointed out plenty of times. But you never know - they're pretty crap at most things, so it could be pure incompetence.

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Depressing stuff on 11:13 - Sep 12 with 347 viewsBlueBadger

I'm sure that our resident Brexiteers will be appalled by this, given their firm stances respecting the law.

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