| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square 17:51 - Sep 26 with 11430 views | StokieBlue |
What a bunch of idiots, grouping like that and fighting with the police when the R rate is possibly as much as 1.5.
Easier to find Wally than a mask in that picture.
Nice to see they have included mass vaccinations in their list of evils even though they can't possibly know what is in the vaccine or how it is made given there isn't one yet.
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 19:51 - Sep 27 with 738 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 14:24 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue |
Agree with all of that but I think there has to be a time where enough is enough regardless of the fools in charge.
Agree it's hard to fine them all but perhaps one high profile operation with a lot of police and 200-500 GBP fine for every person might make others take note across the country.
Won't happen of course and I can't see anything except a national lockdown again soon if that's being repeated across the country. Hard to see how that will work with schools open though and I don't think many want them closed again.
Also seeing a number of people saying they will ignore the rule of 6 at Christmas so the government need to be ready to be clear on that one way or the other but of course they won't be.
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Of course people would break a rule of 6 at Christmas, but it’ll be relaxed for the Christmas period anyway, ‘Boris saves Christmas’ is nailed on |  |
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 20:03 - Sep 27 with 726 views | jeera |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 19:51 - Sep 27 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Of course people would break a rule of 6 at Christmas, but it’ll be relaxed for the Christmas period anyway, ‘Boris saves Christmas’ is nailed on |
Oh god, there's going to be a Santa's hat superimposed on his head on the front pages and everything. |  |
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 20:07 - Sep 27 with 716 views | StokieBlue |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 19:51 - Sep 27 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Of course people would break a rule of 6 at Christmas, but it’ll be relaxed for the Christmas period anyway, ‘Boris saves Christmas’ is nailed on |
People need to take some personal responsibility and perhaps just accept they might have to miss one Christmas. People missed Eid and they haven't been smote from above. Of course that will be difficult for some families to miss but it's a difficult time.
With regards to "Boris saves Xmas", you are probably right.
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 20:45 - Sep 27 with 685 views | Trequartista |
I would condemn this lack of social distancing, as I did on other protests that have happened over the last 6 months, irrespective of whether i approve or disapprove of the protests themselves. Not everyone seems to be showing the same level of consistency. |  |
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 20:56 - Sep 27 with 675 views | Harry_Palmer |
I understand why you feel the way you do about this and I agree that at this time mass gatherings without social distancing etc. are really not a good idea, however I would like to make few points if I may.
Below is a video from independent journalist Anna Brees who was at the protest yesterday. As you will see there was a wide range of people from all different backgrounds in attendance, teachers, ex forces, a former BBC worker etc..
I don't believe these people are conspiracy loons, and apart from the guy who draws comparisons between Covid and the common cold, they mostly come across as reasonably intelligent everyday people. I believe people are simply unhappy with the lies that have been told and the increasingly authoritarian approach the Government is taking in this pandemic. People are rightly concerned that our democracy and civil liberties are being eroded and won't be easily handed back.
To label everybody at the protest an' idiot' is a little unfair. I also note most of the mainstream media coverage has labelled everybody attending 'conspiracy theorists' and 'Covid deniers', which again is unfair. Why is it not acceptable anymore to question the official narrative on anything without being labelled a conspiracy theorist?
With regards to your point on vaccines. I think there is every reason for people to be a little skeptical of the forthcoming Covid-19 vaccine. The fact that it hasn't been produced yet, is in itself one of the reasons. The fact that the time schedule being worked to is significantly faster than anything ever seen before makes assurances of safety almost impossible with studies of long term outcomes being impossible. In addition to this we have leading contenders for the vaccine using never before tried technology such as the RNA vaccine that Moderna are working on. It effectively means the we will all be guinea pigs and when the survival rate for the virus is over 99% it is not surprising many people are asking questions.
At this link a Doctor outlines some of the concerns.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19-cure-doctor-mo
Also on vaccines, I don't know how many people are aware, but the UK Government are looking to make changes to the law that will allow them to :
a) Release an unlicensed Covid-19 vaccine for mass roll out to the UK Public.
b) Remove all civil liability from Drug companies and Government ( ie. if you suffer any adverse health consequence, you will have no recourse at all ).
c) Allow full commercial promotion / advertising of a Covid-19 vaccine. ( something that has not been seen in this country for a long time, if ever ).
d) Extend the workforce able to administer the vaccine to non healthcare workers.
Regardless of anybody's general stance on vaccines I think everybody should be a little cautious regarding this one and be asking valid questions. The media constantly referring to anybody that does this as an 'anti-vaxxer' is both immature and a disservice to the public.
Finally, getting back to the protest. I notice the press have again shamefully mis-represented the truth about what happened yesterday by painting the picture that the protesters turned violent and attacked the Police. In truth it was the exact opposite that happened. The protest was entirely peaceful until the riot Police moved in to aggressively and violently break it up. The exact same thing happened last weekend. And no I didn't attend either but there are many first hand accounts online with video evidence to back it up.
Of course if people are attacked while exercising their right to peaceful protest there is bound to be an element of response. It should also be noted that the crowd carried out a respectful minutes silence for the tragic loss of the Police Officer in Croydon.
The response from the Police at Trafalgar Square? Well here is one video clip from yesterday showing a Women being punched in the stomach before being thrown to the ground.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12783782/coronavirus-lockdown-protest-woman-falls-
I don't care what rules were being broken there is no excuse whatsoever for this in my book. It was a peaceful protest, if you need to break it up to enforce the law then fine, break it up peacefully, start issuing fines etc. but don't start piling into people. There were Children in the crowd witnessing this. Not good.
I know people don't like the BLM comparison but there were numerous protests over the Summer ( XR also ) where Social distancing was ignored and the Police did not react in anything like the same way. You can't adopt a different Policing approach just because you don't like the subject matter, the fact that they have just suggests it was different orders coming from above, and that just really adds fuel to fire on claims of a darker agenda being at play. [Post edited 27 Sep 2020 20:57]
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 21:01 - Sep 27 with 659 views | 26_Paz |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 20:56 - Sep 27 by Harry_Palmer |
I understand why you feel the way you do about this and I agree that at this time mass gatherings without social distancing etc. are really not a good idea, however I would like to make few points if I may.
Below is a video from independent journalist Anna Brees who was at the protest yesterday. As you will see there was a wide range of people from all different backgrounds in attendance, teachers, ex forces, a former BBC worker etc..
I don't believe these people are conspiracy loons, and apart from the guy who draws comparisons between Covid and the common cold, they mostly come across as reasonably intelligent everyday people. I believe people are simply unhappy with the lies that have been told and the increasingly authoritarian approach the Government is taking in this pandemic. People are rightly concerned that our democracy and civil liberties are being eroded and won't be easily handed back.
To label everybody at the protest an' idiot' is a little unfair. I also note most of the mainstream media coverage has labelled everybody attending 'conspiracy theorists' and 'Covid deniers', which again is unfair. Why is it not acceptable anymore to question the official narrative on anything without being labelled a conspiracy theorist?
With regards to your point on vaccines. I think there is every reason for people to be a little skeptical of the forthcoming Covid-19 vaccine. The fact that it hasn't been produced yet, is in itself one of the reasons. The fact that the time schedule being worked to is significantly faster than anything ever seen before makes assurances of safety almost impossible with studies of long term outcomes being impossible. In addition to this we have leading contenders for the vaccine using never before tried technology such as the RNA vaccine that Moderna are working on. It effectively means the we will all be guinea pigs and when the survival rate for the virus is over 99% it is not surprising many people are asking questions.
At this link a Doctor outlines some of the concerns.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19-cure-doctor-mo
Also on vaccines, I don't know how many people are aware, but the UK Government are looking to make changes to the law that will allow them to :
a) Release an unlicensed Covid-19 vaccine for mass roll out to the UK Public.
b) Remove all civil liability from Drug companies and Government ( ie. if you suffer any adverse health consequence, you will have no recourse at all ).
c) Allow full commercial promotion / advertising of a Covid-19 vaccine. ( something that has not been seen in this country for a long time, if ever ).
d) Extend the workforce able to administer the vaccine to non healthcare workers.
Regardless of anybody's general stance on vaccines I think everybody should be a little cautious regarding this one and be asking valid questions. The media constantly referring to anybody that does this as an 'anti-vaxxer' is both immature and a disservice to the public.
Finally, getting back to the protest. I notice the press have again shamefully mis-represented the truth about what happened yesterday by painting the picture that the protesters turned violent and attacked the Police. In truth it was the exact opposite that happened. The protest was entirely peaceful until the riot Police moved in to aggressively and violently break it up. The exact same thing happened last weekend. And no I didn't attend either but there are many first hand accounts online with video evidence to back it up.
Of course if people are attacked while exercising their right to peaceful protest there is bound to be an element of response. It should also be noted that the crowd carried out a respectful minutes silence for the tragic loss of the Police Officer in Croydon.
The response from the Police at Trafalgar Square? Well here is one video clip from yesterday showing a Women being punched in the stomach before being thrown to the ground.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12783782/coronavirus-lockdown-protest-woman-falls-
I don't care what rules were being broken there is no excuse whatsoever for this in my book. It was a peaceful protest, if you need to break it up to enforce the law then fine, break it up peacefully, start issuing fines etc. but don't start piling into people. There were Children in the crowd witnessing this. Not good.
I know people don't like the BLM comparison but there were numerous protests over the Summer ( XR also ) where Social distancing was ignored and the Police did not react in anything like the same way. You can't adopt a different Policing approach just because you don't like the subject matter, the fact that they have just suggests it was different orders coming from above, and that just really adds fuel to fire on claims of a darker agenda being at play. [Post edited 27 Sep 2020 20:57]
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 21:16 - Sep 27 with 645 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 20:07 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue |
People need to take some personal responsibility and perhaps just accept they might have to miss one Christmas. People missed Eid and they haven't been smote from above. Of course that will be difficult for some families to miss but it's a difficult time.
With regards to "Boris saves Xmas", you are probably right.
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Of course they do but they won’t, and even those that have done will still bend the rules a little. After all, does it really matter if you have 7 people rather than 6?
But yes, it’s a moot point as the rule of 6 will be lifted for the Xmas period anyway | |
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 21:18 - Sep 27 with 642 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 20:03 - Sep 27 by jeera |
Oh god, there's going to be a Santa's hat superimposed on his head on the front pages and everything. |
Haha, exactly | |
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 22:05 - Sep 27 with 607 views | StokieBlue |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 20:56 - Sep 27 by Harry_Palmer |
I understand why you feel the way you do about this and I agree that at this time mass gatherings without social distancing etc. are really not a good idea, however I would like to make few points if I may.
Below is a video from independent journalist Anna Brees who was at the protest yesterday. As you will see there was a wide range of people from all different backgrounds in attendance, teachers, ex forces, a former BBC worker etc..
I don't believe these people are conspiracy loons, and apart from the guy who draws comparisons between Covid and the common cold, they mostly come across as reasonably intelligent everyday people. I believe people are simply unhappy with the lies that have been told and the increasingly authoritarian approach the Government is taking in this pandemic. People are rightly concerned that our democracy and civil liberties are being eroded and won't be easily handed back.
To label everybody at the protest an' idiot' is a little unfair. I also note most of the mainstream media coverage has labelled everybody attending 'conspiracy theorists' and 'Covid deniers', which again is unfair. Why is it not acceptable anymore to question the official narrative on anything without being labelled a conspiracy theorist?
With regards to your point on vaccines. I think there is every reason for people to be a little skeptical of the forthcoming Covid-19 vaccine. The fact that it hasn't been produced yet, is in itself one of the reasons. The fact that the time schedule being worked to is significantly faster than anything ever seen before makes assurances of safety almost impossible with studies of long term outcomes being impossible. In addition to this we have leading contenders for the vaccine using never before tried technology such as the RNA vaccine that Moderna are working on. It effectively means the we will all be guinea pigs and when the survival rate for the virus is over 99% it is not surprising many people are asking questions.
At this link a Doctor outlines some of the concerns.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-vaccine-covid-19-cure-doctor-mo
Also on vaccines, I don't know how many people are aware, but the UK Government are looking to make changes to the law that will allow them to :
a) Release an unlicensed Covid-19 vaccine for mass roll out to the UK Public.
b) Remove all civil liability from Drug companies and Government ( ie. if you suffer any adverse health consequence, you will have no recourse at all ).
c) Allow full commercial promotion / advertising of a Covid-19 vaccine. ( something that has not been seen in this country for a long time, if ever ).
d) Extend the workforce able to administer the vaccine to non healthcare workers.
Regardless of anybody's general stance on vaccines I think everybody should be a little cautious regarding this one and be asking valid questions. The media constantly referring to anybody that does this as an 'anti-vaxxer' is both immature and a disservice to the public.
Finally, getting back to the protest. I notice the press have again shamefully mis-represented the truth about what happened yesterday by painting the picture that the protesters turned violent and attacked the Police. In truth it was the exact opposite that happened. The protest was entirely peaceful until the riot Police moved in to aggressively and violently break it up. The exact same thing happened last weekend. And no I didn't attend either but there are many first hand accounts online with video evidence to back it up.
Of course if people are attacked while exercising their right to peaceful protest there is bound to be an element of response. It should also be noted that the crowd carried out a respectful minutes silence for the tragic loss of the Police Officer in Croydon.
The response from the Police at Trafalgar Square? Well here is one video clip from yesterday showing a Women being punched in the stomach before being thrown to the ground.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12783782/coronavirus-lockdown-protest-woman-falls-
I don't care what rules were being broken there is no excuse whatsoever for this in my book. It was a peaceful protest, if you need to break it up to enforce the law then fine, break it up peacefully, start issuing fines etc. but don't start piling into people. There were Children in the crowd witnessing this. Not good.
I know people don't like the BLM comparison but there were numerous protests over the Summer ( XR also ) where Social distancing was ignored and the Police did not react in anything like the same way. You can't adopt a different Policing approach just because you don't like the subject matter, the fact that they have just suggests it was different orders coming from above, and that just really adds fuel to fire on claims of a darker agenda being at play. [Post edited 27 Sep 2020 20:57]
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There is a lot to unpack in there and it's late now but I will make a few points. I will leave the vaccination points for now as that is a whole debate in itself and one we tend not to agree on.
With regards to the protests:
- The were granted the right to protest in a pandemic if they followed certain rules. Those rules weren't followed so what should the police do? You think some of those people are going to go home because they are asked? You're unbelievably naïve if you think that is the case.
- I didn't say they were conspiracy loons. What lies are being told to take away our civil liberties? Name them.
- Given not a single one, even in your video, is wearing a face mask whilst being very close to other people what term do you think should be used? "Idiots" seems fairly appropriate given they are now going to disperse across the country and take any infections with them.
- 1% mortality rate is still 600,000 people if everyone in the country gets it. Of course that is incredibly simplistic and scientifically incorrect but you are basically saying who cares if it kills a few old people.
- The BLM protests were done at a time when the R value were below 1 and the majority at them wore masks. This was being done at a time when the R value in London is possibly as high as 1.5 and virtually nobody wore masks or observed distancing. I don't think you can directly compare the two just because they are both protests.
- You say they are conspiratorial protestors and I assume from the gist of your post you include yourself amongst them. That doesn't tally well with your final sentence which is full-on conspiratorial:
"just suggests it was different orders coming from above, and that just really adds fuel to fire on claims of a darker agenda being at play""
Which one is it? You can't have it both ways. Clearly it's conspiratorial given that sentence.
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 22:33 - Sep 27 with 578 views | HARRY10 |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 21:16 - Sep 27 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Of course they do but they won’t, and even those that have done will still bend the rules a little. After all, does it really matter if you have 7 people rather than 6?
But yes, it’s a moot point as the rule of 6 will be lifted for the Xmas period anyway |
It will be lifted (if still in place0 because it is obvious that it will be wildly ignored.
Better to be seen to be permitting that behaviour, than to be seen to be powerless to stop it.
However I expect much to have changed by then, not least fatso to have been heaved out of number 10 (to spend more time with his families ?), and a better and more coordinated approach to be in place - rather than this stop/start shambles we currently have, which resembles a clowns car backfiring, with the doors falling off. |  | | |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 22:35 - Sep 27 with 569 views | 26_Paz |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 22:33 - Sep 27 by HARRY10 |
It will be lifted (if still in place0 because it is obvious that it will be wildly ignored.
Better to be seen to be permitting that behaviour, than to be seen to be powerless to stop it.
However I expect much to have changed by then, not least fatso to have been heaved out of number 10 (to spend more time with his families ?), and a better and more coordinated approach to be in place - rather than this stop/start shambles we currently have, which resembles a clowns car backfiring, with the doors falling off. |
You don’t think Boris will be PM at Christmas? I think you’d get quite long odds on that ... | |
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| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 09:20 - Sep 28 with 493 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 22:05 - Sep 27 by StokieBlue |
There is a lot to unpack in there and it's late now but I will make a few points. I will leave the vaccination points for now as that is a whole debate in itself and one we tend not to agree on.
With regards to the protests:
- The were granted the right to protest in a pandemic if they followed certain rules. Those rules weren't followed so what should the police do? You think some of those people are going to go home because they are asked? You're unbelievably naïve if you think that is the case.
- I didn't say they were conspiracy loons. What lies are being told to take away our civil liberties? Name them.
- Given not a single one, even in your video, is wearing a face mask whilst being very close to other people what term do you think should be used? "Idiots" seems fairly appropriate given they are now going to disperse across the country and take any infections with them.
- 1% mortality rate is still 600,000 people if everyone in the country gets it. Of course that is incredibly simplistic and scientifically incorrect but you are basically saying who cares if it kills a few old people.
- The BLM protests were done at a time when the R value were below 1 and the majority at them wore masks. This was being done at a time when the R value in London is possibly as high as 1.5 and virtually nobody wore masks or observed distancing. I don't think you can directly compare the two just because they are both protests.
- You say they are conspiratorial protestors and I assume from the gist of your post you include yourself amongst them. That doesn't tally well with your final sentence which is full-on conspiratorial:
"just suggests it was different orders coming from above, and that just really adds fuel to fire on claims of a darker agenda being at play""
Which one is it? You can't have it both ways. Clearly it's conspiratorial given that sentence.
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I think the general gist of my post is that you have made a judgement about over 20'000 people without considering the bigger picture or without really trying to understand why they feel the need to protest. I stand by that and the points I have made.
I don't really want to get into a long tit-for-tat but I will address your post as I feel that you have misrepresented some of my points here, although I am sure not intentionally.
They have broken the rules and I accept that the Police were within their rights to break up the protest. What I don't accept is Police brutality in order to achieve that. They could have ended the protest without the need for violence, there are other ways.
As it was, they disabled the sound system and intercepted the person who was speaking ( a German Doctor, more on him later ). I am sure if they had then moved into the crowd and calmly asked people to leave before issuing fines to those who refused, it would have eventually achieved the desired outcome.
How can this be done in the name of 'public health' if you go around needlessly assaulting members of the public?
There are lies being told daily by this Government, I don't think anybody can really dispute that. I am not going to make a big list for you, they are well documented, if you are not seeing them then it is because you are choosing not to.
I suspect the true mortality rate will be will below 1% as the real number of cases will always be much higher than official cases. Regardless of this I have said nothing even close to 'who cares if it kills a few old people' I think it is really quite poor of you to suggest that. You may not agree with my views but please be assured whether I am right or wrong my motivation is always what I consider to be for the greater good of humanity and I always try to come from a place of compassion.
There are clear differences in how the BLM and other protests were handled in comparison to this one that simply cannot be explained by the R number. There are examples of large BLM gatherings where social distancing was not possible and these were allowed to continue with the Police were actually joining in and taking the knee etc. Personally I don't have a problem with this but the lack of consistency is glaringly obvious.
I pointed out that not all of the protesters were conspiracy theorists, which is different to saying none of them are. I accept that many of them were, the Q banners etc. were in evidence. My last sentence really reflects the previous paragraph about the inconsistency with the Policing Policy, if it is not Political influence then what else could it be? And if it is then what is the agenda behind it?
It was interesting that the Police decided to intervene at the exact time a Professor from Germany had just started to speak. Dr heiko schöning was then arrested and taken into custody before later being released without charge. I wonder why the Police decided to arrest and detain this Man who had clearly broken no Law?, perhaps he had something to say that somebody didn't want people to hear? If you really believe that there are not agendas at play in all of this then I would say that it is perhaps you that is being a little naïve. | | | |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 09:24 - Sep 28 with 485 views | Harry_Palmer |
| Anti-Lockdown protests in Trafalgar Square on 21:01 - Sep 27 by 26_Paz |
Brilliant post mate |
Thanks, just my take on things along with plenty of facts. Some might agree, many won't and that's fine by me. | | | |
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