| Starmer quits (n/t) 19:36 - Jan 2 with 6647 views | ericclacton |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:12 - Jan 3 with 1046 views | factual_blue |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 02:11 - Jan 3 by Ryorry |
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Among the tory seats lost, according to that polling, is Uxbridge and South Ruislip. |  |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:15 - Jan 3 with 1039 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 10:54 - Jan 3 by LankHenners |
Yeah it's definitely more believable that some random poll over 3 years out from an election enraged people so much they tried to will the idea of Starmer leaving into existence.
As much as you might not personally view it this way, and plenty don't, online spaces on the whole are like big cyber playgrounds where different groups of people are scrapping around kicking up dirt which sometimes gets in the eye of someone who isn't really involved in the original melee.
An itfc equivalent of what happened here is that if someone from the EADT said there was some big news coming out of the club, then deleted the tweet, someone screenshotted it and, as a joke, said it was proof that Lambert had been sacked. Other people who don't really like, or are ambivalent to, Lambert think it's also funny to pretend he's been sacked so keep on making jokes about it until a lot of people are talking about it, including people who aren't 'in' on the joke in the first place. Sure there'll be the odd person using the opportunity to earnestly make the case for him being sacked but the majority of it is just people pissing around.
Not a perfect comparison as Lambert being sacked would be almost universally supported but you get the point. |
The loons are getting rather excited by the prospect. The state of some of these replies.
and the solution would be the second coming of the messiah
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:22 - Jan 3 with 1033 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:15 - Jan 3 by GlasgowBlue |
The loons are getting rather excited by the prospect. The state of some of these replies.
and the solution would be the second coming of the messiah
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You got it.
Thankfully there are usually a larger number of genuine Labourites around telling the JC cult followers to stop attacking Starmer, splitting & damaging the LP (thereby perpetuating this current foul govt.), and do one. |  |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:26 - Jan 3 with 1025 views | footers |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:22 - Jan 3 by Ryorry |
You got it.
Thankfully there are usually a larger number of genuine Labourites around telling the JC cult followers to stop attacking Starmer, splitting & damaging the LP (thereby perpetuating this current foul govt.), and do one. |
Ah, just the sort of unity we need. Shame it was in such short supply under the previous leader. And fyi, just because someone is a socialist doesn't mean they are in a cult or indeed not 'genuine' Labour supporters. [Post edited 3 Jan 2021 11:27]
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:36 - Jan 3 with 994 views | LankHenners |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:15 - Jan 3 by GlasgowBlue |
The loons are getting rather excited by the prospect. The state of some of these replies.
and the solution would be the second coming of the messiah
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I'm not sure anyone's posted anything on any facebook group page and not been short of a bit of change. |  |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:38 - Jan 3 with 987 views | LankHenners |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:03 - Jan 3 by Ryorry |
Sorry again, but you have no idea what you're talking about where Twitter, and particularly Twitter in relation to Starmer, is concerned.
Corbynistas are a very vocal minority on there, as are a number of Tory bots.
Easily ignored owing to the excellent full block facility not available on twtd. |
That is literally the chain of events exactly as they happened but you can believe whatever bizarre theory you want. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:45 - Jan 3 with 968 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:26 - Jan 3 by footers |
Ah, just the sort of unity we need. Shame it was in such short supply under the previous leader. And fyi, just because someone is a socialist doesn't mean they are in a cult or indeed not 'genuine' Labour supporters. [Post edited 3 Jan 2021 11:27]
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Indeed. Some whopping hypocrisy from some on this matter.
Also your last point is bang on. I supported Corbyn for the politics he stood for (and a break from 40 years of centre-right stasis). I similarly have trouble with Starmer and him embracing that stasis quo so eagerly again. |  |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:50 - Jan 3 with 953 views | factual_blue |
I'm sure we all have our fingers crossed. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:05 - Jan 3 with 894 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 11:26 - Jan 3 by footers |
Ah, just the sort of unity we need. Shame it was in such short supply under the previous leader. And fyi, just because someone is a socialist doesn't mean they are in a cult or indeed not 'genuine' Labour supporters. [Post edited 3 Jan 2021 11:27]
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Would you say unity is in short supply from our fellow supporters at ITFC or would you say that the majority have seen that the club is going nowhere under the current manager and a change is needed to stop us falling further behind our rivals? | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:11 - Jan 3 with 882 views | footers |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:05 - Jan 3 by GlasgowBlue |
Would you say unity is in short supply from our fellow supporters at ITFC or would you say that the majority have seen that the club is going nowhere under the current manager and a change is needed to stop us falling further behind our rivals? |
Let's stick to the topic at hand. I am not pleased to see left-wing voices in Labour being shouted down and effectively told to get back in our box. I said repeatedly under Corbyn that I would have zero problem in getting shot of him should much of the policy stay the same.
The last GE was all about Brexit in the end. Labour didn't help themselves one bit with such a convoluted manifesto and it is not the strategy I would have used at all. But then to now want to shut down the left-wing of the party is not really showing a great deal of unity. If the Labour Party still want my vote in the next election they'll need to develop some radical policies that the left of the party can get behind. Sure, it can be a mix, but we cannot return to Blairism.
We're tired of being disenfranchised in a party that is supposed to at least represent some of our values. I don't think that's too much to ask. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:19 - Jan 3 with 861 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:11 - Jan 3 by footers |
Let's stick to the topic at hand. I am not pleased to see left-wing voices in Labour being shouted down and effectively told to get back in our box. I said repeatedly under Corbyn that I would have zero problem in getting shot of him should much of the policy stay the same.
The last GE was all about Brexit in the end. Labour didn't help themselves one bit with such a convoluted manifesto and it is not the strategy I would have used at all. But then to now want to shut down the left-wing of the party is not really showing a great deal of unity. If the Labour Party still want my vote in the next election they'll need to develop some radical policies that the left of the party can get behind. Sure, it can be a mix, but we cannot return to Blairism.
We're tired of being disenfranchised in a party that is supposed to at least represent some of our values. I don't think that's too much to ask. |
a party can't make people like you happy and win elections. it's one or the other. |  |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:23 - Jan 3 with 842 views | footers |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:19 - Jan 3 by lowhouseblue |
a party can't make people like you happy and win elections. it's one or the other. |
It can. Policies like renationalising the railways, for example, are very popular and if at the next GE Labour proposed a clear set of these policies, then not only would they get my vote but I think they'd win as well.
I know you don't really like change, but there are extremely serious global issues like climate change, AI and automation that require more radical thinking. We don't have much time to act if we're to come out of these challenges well as a country. It's not simply a leftist desire; we need to take these steps now. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:30 - Jan 3 with 821 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:19 - Jan 3 by lowhouseblue |
a party can't make people like you happy and win elections. it's one or the other. |
Though that was the same argument in the early 80s – and by not challenging the Tories the direction of travel stayed the same. So much so that the Labour Party itself ended up having to pick up the neoliberal torch.
The world has moved on. But in the UK-US version that dominates our horizons we just haven’t twigged it yet and we’re fated to keep repeating the same mistakes. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:31 - Jan 3 with 814 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:23 - Jan 3 by footers |
It can. Policies like renationalising the railways, for example, are very popular and if at the next GE Labour proposed a clear set of these policies, then not only would they get my vote but I think they'd win as well.
I know you don't really like change, but there are extremely serious global issues like climate change, AI and automation that require more radical thinking. We don't have much time to act if we're to come out of these challenges well as a country. It's not simply a leftist desire; we need to take these steps now. |
of course we can pick individual policies that are widely popular. but it's all the other crap that the hard left wants, and all the hangers on that come with it, that repulses other voters. if you're prepared to compromise on policies that have broad appeal and are deliverable and ditch the rest - and the party can rebuild trust - then thats' great. but the full package of awfulness that came with corbyn and momentum was pure electoral suicide, even if it made you very happy. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:39 - Jan 3 with 795 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:31 - Jan 3 by lowhouseblue |
of course we can pick individual policies that are widely popular. but it's all the other crap that the hard left wants, and all the hangers on that come with it, that repulses other voters. if you're prepared to compromise on policies that have broad appeal and are deliverable and ditch the rest - and the party can rebuild trust - then thats' great. but the full package of awfulness that came with corbyn and momentum was pure electoral suicide, even if it made you very happy. |
That’s the lazy narrative speaking right there.
And what most needs to be challenged for the UK to accept social democracy. Social democratic policies always poll very well but the “hard left” packaging you and others on the right and Labour right insist on giving it does the policies and the UK itself a massive disservice.
Why do you do it? What about the actual content of these ideas scares you? | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:44 - Jan 3 with 779 views | lowhouseblue |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:39 - Jan 3 by Darth_Koont |
That’s the lazy narrative speaking right there.
And what most needs to be challenged for the UK to accept social democracy. Social democratic policies always poll very well but the “hard left” packaging you and others on the right and Labour right insist on giving it does the policies and the UK itself a massive disservice.
Why do you do it? What about the actual content of these ideas scares you? |
i hope you're very happy with the greens. they will give you the sort of ineffective smug posturing you have always craved. if you haven't learnt from the corbyn fiasco it's the best place for you. have fun. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:01 - Jan 3 with 751 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:44 - Jan 3 by lowhouseblue |
i hope you're very happy with the greens. they will give you the sort of ineffective smug posturing you have always craved. if you haven't learnt from the corbyn fiasco it's the best place for you. have fun. |
Cheers.
Maybe at the same time you can learn from the past few decades? And learn that the politics you insist is necessary for electoral success is the same politics that has created severe social and economic weaknesses and imbalances.
Maybe the penny will drop before it’s too late? | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:30 - Jan 3 with 714 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:11 - Jan 3 by footers |
Let's stick to the topic at hand. I am not pleased to see left-wing voices in Labour being shouted down and effectively told to get back in our box. I said repeatedly under Corbyn that I would have zero problem in getting shot of him should much of the policy stay the same.
The last GE was all about Brexit in the end. Labour didn't help themselves one bit with such a convoluted manifesto and it is not the strategy I would have used at all. But then to now want to shut down the left-wing of the party is not really showing a great deal of unity. If the Labour Party still want my vote in the next election they'll need to develop some radical policies that the left of the party can get behind. Sure, it can be a mix, but we cannot return to Blairism.
We're tired of being disenfranchised in a party that is supposed to at least represent some of our values. I don't think that's too much to ask. |
"We're tired of being disenfranchised in a party that is supposed to at least represent some of our values. I don't think that's too much to ask."
Well I agree with you on that - I feel the same! | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:35 - Jan 3 with 705 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 13:39 - Jan 3 by Darth_Koont |
That’s the lazy narrative speaking right there.
And what most needs to be challenged for the UK to accept social democracy. Social democratic policies always poll very well but the “hard left” packaging you and others on the right and Labour right insist on giving it does the policies and the UK itself a massive disservice.
Why do you do it? What about the actual content of these ideas scares you? |
If "Social democratic policies always poll very well" why on earth say "And what most needs to be challenged for the UK to accept social democracy"?
It just sounds as though you don't want the Tories to be booted out. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:46 - Jan 3 with 681 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:35 - Jan 3 by Ryorry |
If "Social democratic policies always poll very well" why on earth say "And what most needs to be challenged for the UK to accept social democracy"?
It just sounds as though you don't want the Tories to be booted out. |
The “Social democracy as hard-left ideology” narrative needs to be challenged, yes.
It’s probably the propaganda that most holds back our politics, economy and society.
Which of Corbyn’s policies last election was hard-left? In fact, I’ll make it easier what was his most hard-left moment during his leadership? | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:51 - Jan 3 with 662 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:46 - Jan 3 by Darth_Koont |
The “Social democracy as hard-left ideology” narrative needs to be challenged, yes.
It’s probably the propaganda that most holds back our politics, economy and society.
Which of Corbyn’s policies last election was hard-left? In fact, I’ll make it easier what was his most hard-left moment during his leadership? |
It wasn't "hard left polices" tat put people off. It was hard left ideology. Anti west, anti UK government, antisemitism, pro IRA/ Hamas etc.
A defining moment was his response to the Salisbury poisoning. That summed him up and a lot of Labour MP's and candidates said that came up on the doorstep constantly. | |
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:57 - Jan 3 with 650 views | Darth_Koont |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:51 - Jan 3 by GlasgowBlue |
It wasn't "hard left polices" tat put people off. It was hard left ideology. Anti west, anti UK government, antisemitism, pro IRA/ Hamas etc.
A defining moment was his response to the Salisbury poisoning. That summed him up and a lot of Labour MP's and candidates said that came up on the doorstep constantly. |
Which of those is hard left? You find those opinions throughout European mainstream socialism and social democracy.
The labelling of this as hard left is at best ignorant but if intentional then it’s nothing short of propaganda.
Edit: I’m going to step around the casually lobbed in AS there too. [Post edited 3 Jan 2021 14:59]
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| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:59 - Jan 3 with 642 views | Ryorry |
| Starmer quits (n/t) on 14:51 - Jan 3 by GlasgowBlue |
It wasn't "hard left polices" tat put people off. It was hard left ideology. Anti west, anti UK government, antisemitism, pro IRA/ Hamas etc.
A defining moment was his response to the Salisbury poisoning. That summed him up and a lot of Labour MP's and candidates said that came up on the doorstep constantly. |
"It was hard left ideology"
...and shilly-shallying indecisiveness, going with whatever seemed to be the way the wind was blowing in popularity, weakness in leadership. Even when he was no longer leader, inability to make a whole-hearted apology - for the good of the LP - for the anti-semitism that occurred on his watch, instead making excuses for himself. Etc. | |
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