| Which is most powerful? 07:52 - Jan 29 with 2581 views | Bluefish |
Muslim Ray gun or a Jewish space laser? |  |
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| Which is most powerful? on 10:52 - Jan 30 with 386 views | WeWereZombies |
| Which is most powerful? on 13:12 - Jan 29 by TJS |
I'm not that bothered if Scotland and Northern Ireland go as long as I don't have to live in a country called "England and Wales" |
You would prefer 'Wales (includes England)'? |  |
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| Which is most powerful? on 11:04 - Jan 30 with 377 views | eireblue |
| Which is most powerful? on 10:52 - Jan 30 by WeWereZombies |
You would prefer 'Wales (includes England)'? |
WYCROE
Wales, Yorkshire, Cornwall, Rest of England |  | | |
| Which is most powerful? on 11:51 - Jan 30 with 365 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Which is most powerful? on 12:46 - Jan 29 by Keno |
Scotland does feel like 'unfinished business' and Nicola is playing a very smart line at the moment. Like you I expect the next vote to be in favour
The Brexit agreement almost makes NI unworkable long term, so it will be interesting how that unfolds. |
If Salmondgate continues to gain pace, Nicola won't be around for much longer.
DK is also a little too optimistic when he says Scotland is gone. The polls show a lead for independence but after some very good leads at the end of last year they have settled down to 52/48 in favour (So close we should have a second referendum anyone?) and the lead narrows with each poll.
Scottish exports £51bn to rest of the UK in 2019. And £16bn to EU. There is no guarantee that Scotland could join the EU as an independent nation and they currently have no currency plans.
As somebody who was such a vocal opponent of people voting for the unknown with Brexit, could DK tell me is he advocating for independence from a political union without knowing exactly how they're going to negotiate that independence and what a future deal with it's single biggest trading partner would look like? |  |
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| Which is most powerful? on 12:16 - Jan 30 with 342 views | giant_stow |
| Which is most powerful? on 11:51 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
If Salmondgate continues to gain pace, Nicola won't be around for much longer.
DK is also a little too optimistic when he says Scotland is gone. The polls show a lead for independence but after some very good leads at the end of last year they have settled down to 52/48 in favour (So close we should have a second referendum anyone?) and the lead narrows with each poll.
Scottish exports £51bn to rest of the UK in 2019. And £16bn to EU. There is no guarantee that Scotland could join the EU as an independent nation and they currently have no currency plans.
As somebody who was such a vocal opponent of people voting for the unknown with Brexit, could DK tell me is he advocating for independence from a political union without knowing exactly how they're going to negotiate that independence and what a future deal with it's single biggest trading partner would look like? |
The question I'd ask is: why would any Scot want to leave us, just to join an EU which makes decisions of national importance without even consulting the govt concerned, as has just happened with Ireland? |  |
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| Which is most powerful? on 12:16 - Jan 30 with 341 views | Kievthegreat |
| Which is most powerful? on 11:51 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
If Salmondgate continues to gain pace, Nicola won't be around for much longer.
DK is also a little too optimistic when he says Scotland is gone. The polls show a lead for independence but after some very good leads at the end of last year they have settled down to 52/48 in favour (So close we should have a second referendum anyone?) and the lead narrows with each poll.
Scottish exports £51bn to rest of the UK in 2019. And £16bn to EU. There is no guarantee that Scotland could join the EU as an independent nation and they currently have no currency plans.
As somebody who was such a vocal opponent of people voting for the unknown with Brexit, could DK tell me is he advocating for independence from a political union without knowing exactly how they're going to negotiate that independence and what a future deal with it's single biggest trading partner would look like? |
The move for Scottish independence, amongst Scots I know, is very cognisant of the economic reality. Oil is not some panacea to balance the books and they acknowledge the economic damage, they acknowledge that realistically they either use the pound eith no say over monetary policy or most likely join the euro long term.
The thing that strikes me as funny when comparing Scottish Independence and Brexit is that a large amount of pro-independence could have (perhaps still?) been convinced of a reformed and functional federal UK. Where Scottish people get a greater say in their affairs, but also protection from the demographic size of England, see Brexit. There would of course still be nationalists, but if there was not such dissatisfaction at the balance within the Union, people would not want to leave.
On the other hand, I don't think any reform or change would have changed the mind of the majority of Brexiteers. Most Brexiteers I talked to would tell me that the EU was undemocratic, but if asked why it would become instantly apparent they had no idea if how the mechanisms of the EU worked. My point to them would be, "would it be a more democratic system if the laws were all voted on by the EU Parliament, but then every relevant minister from each country voted, then every prime minister agreed?" Plenty would say that was a fairer system. It is how law is passed in the EU. How can you persuade someone that something can be reformed if you don't understand or want to understand how it works? |  | | |
| Which is most powerful? on 12:41 - Jan 30 with 336 views | tractordownsouth |
| Which is most powerful? on 11:51 - Jan 30 by GlasgowBlue |
If Salmondgate continues to gain pace, Nicola won't be around for much longer.
DK is also a little too optimistic when he says Scotland is gone. The polls show a lead for independence but after some very good leads at the end of last year they have settled down to 52/48 in favour (So close we should have a second referendum anyone?) and the lead narrows with each poll.
Scottish exports £51bn to rest of the UK in 2019. And £16bn to EU. There is no guarantee that Scotland could join the EU as an independent nation and they currently have no currency plans.
As somebody who was such a vocal opponent of people voting for the unknown with Brexit, could DK tell me is he advocating for independence from a political union without knowing exactly how they're going to negotiate that independence and what a future deal with it's single biggest trading partner would look like? |
I think the Scots have a more powerful argument than the Brexiters when it comes to other people making their laws, as Scotland always votes centre-left and England usually votes centre-right, whereas I think I remember reading that UK MEPs were only on the losing side of EU votes 10% of the time.
However, besides that, the arguments are very similar. Many Brexiters wanted a no deal without any transition arrangements, whereas the SNP want to walk away from a union which creates lots of internal trade. The currency issue is another one that persists, and like with most forms of nationalism, there's a bit of xenophobia in there as well.
The fact that these 2 groups are willing to accept arguments with regards to the UK and dimiss them when it comes to the EU (or vice versa) shows that it's more of an emotional identity issue rather than an economic one. I do think having a Labour or Labour/SNP government would reduce independence support somewhat but it'd still be at least as strong as 2014. |  |
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