| How come Oli Hawkins... 09:52 - Jan 30 with 3465 views | chicoazul |
...Can get his knee operated on right away but my family member can’t have her brain tumour operated on for at least three months? |  |
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| It's not that simple actually.... on 11:35 - Jan 30 with 1543 views | Bloots |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:27 - Jan 30 by mrshallisfit |
Its very simple. The NHS is being overwhelmed by the pandemic. The private system is not. Thats pretty simple to understand isn't it. |
...the issue isn't simply about overall capacity.
It's primarily about ITU bed capacity.
The private sector has very few, if any ITU beds, when a private patient needs a serious procedure they need to ensure that there is an ITU bed available in the NHS should there be complications. Currently these are being taken up with Covid patients.
Ultimately the more serious procedures aren't even happening privately.
During the first lockdown private facilities were being used to supplement the NHS for less serious procedures. The NHS haven't contracted with the private sector formally to do that this time, they have just issued surge notices saying that they may need to.
The issue is simply down to the availability of ITU beds, not overall capacity, nor money. |  |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| It's not that simple actually.... on 11:38 - Jan 30 with 1532 views | BlueBadger |
| It's not that simple actually.... on 11:35 - Jan 30 by Bloots |
...the issue isn't simply about overall capacity.
It's primarily about ITU bed capacity.
The private sector has very few, if any ITU beds, when a private patient needs a serious procedure they need to ensure that there is an ITU bed available in the NHS should there be complications. Currently these are being taken up with Covid patients.
Ultimately the more serious procedures aren't even happening privately.
During the first lockdown private facilities were being used to supplement the NHS for less serious procedures. The NHS haven't contracted with the private sector formally to do that this time, they have just issued surge notices saying that they may need to.
The issue is simply down to the availability of ITU beds, not overall capacity, nor money. |
Essentially that. Neurosurgery is a field of medicine which is VERY dependent upon ITU beds for post-operative care. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 11:41]
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| Exactly, there are a couple.... on 11:41 - Jan 30 with 1527 views | Bloots |
| It's not that simple actually.... on 11:38 - Jan 30 by BlueBadger |
Essentially that. Neurosurgery is a field of medicine which is VERY dependent upon ITU beds for post-operative care. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 11:41]
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....of people getting shouty about things they know nothing about.
They should give it a rest. | |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| Exactly, there are a couple.... on 11:42 - Jan 30 with 1528 views | BlueBadger |
| Exactly, there are a couple.... on 11:41 - Jan 30 by Bloots |
....of people getting shouty about things they know nothing about.
They should give it a rest. |
Yeah but be fair, Chico's always done that and now he's got a relative to worry about as well. | |
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| Not really sure he deserves.... on 11:45 - Jan 30 with 1517 views | Bloots |
| Exactly, there are a couple.... on 11:42 - Jan 30 by BlueBadger |
Yeah but be fair, Chico's always done that and now he's got a relative to worry about as well. |
....to be getting it in the neck over this, particularly given that he's obviously concerned. | |
| "The sooner he comes back the better, this place has been a disaster without him" - TWTD User (July 2025) |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:45 - Jan 30 with 1519 views | BlueBadger |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 10:41 - Jan 30 by bluejacko |
Being overwhelmed has not stopped NHS surgery’s charging £100 for Hgv medical though! I hope your family member gets sorted soon. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 10:43]
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That's because HGV medicals, like travel vaccinations, are not an NHS service. It's a private service that you can access at NHS facilities.
More crucially, it's a private service that directly impacts upon NHS services as whilst they're doing that, they can't be treating the genuinely needy. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 11:48]
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| Not really sure he deserves.... on 11:47 - Jan 30 with 1514 views | BlueBadger |
| Not really sure he deserves.... on 11:45 - Jan 30 by Bloots |
....to be getting it in the neck over this, particularly given that he's obviously concerned. |
Sometimes, it's difficult not to get a little frustrated when things are explained to him, with the aid of diagrams and he still refuses to get it. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:00 - Jan 30 with 1491 views | chicoazul |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:29 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Maybe you should've said that then, rather than bleating about hospitals not being overwhelmed. Thicko. |
Should have said it for your benefit? We can’t all be expected to bear you in mind can we. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:01 - Jan 30 with 1485 views | footers |
40 years of socialist Thatcherism. Or something like that. |  |
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| Not really sure he deserves.... on 12:05 - Jan 30 with 1477 views | chicoazul |
| Not really sure he deserves.... on 11:45 - Jan 30 by Bloots |
....to be getting it in the neck over this, particularly given that he's obviously concerned. |
Chico; what do you boyos think of this thing my family are encountering? Is it fair?
Everyone; well it could be this could be that have you thought about this hope everything is ok
Badger, Jerseys, whoever the other one is; you’re thick | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:14 - Jan 30 with 1462 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:00 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
Should have said it for your benefit? We can’t all be expected to bear you in mind can we. |
No, you should've said it so people know what the feck you're talking about.
My dad is waiting for a cancer op, and minor eye surgery. Both have been put back due to the health service being overwhelmed by Covid. You saying the health services aren't really overwhelmed is massively wrong and offensive. |  |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:16 - Jan 30 with 1459 views | jas0999 |
Sorry to hear your news.
The players will go private. |  | | |
| Not really sure he deserves.... on 12:18 - Jan 30 with 1451 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Not really sure he deserves.... on 12:05 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
Chico; what do you boyos think of this thing my family are encountering? Is it fair?
Everyone; well it could be this could be that have you thought about this hope everything is ok
Badger, Jerseys, whoever the other one is; you’re thick |
You didn't say just that though did you? You said the health services obviously aren't really overwhelmed. You also said I couldn't read, which is why I called you thick.
Badger explained to you what the issue is. Looks like you didn't really want an answer to your question, you just wanted a rant. Which is fair enough, but don't take it out on people who gave you a correct answer. We're not mind readers.
I hope your family member has a quick recovery. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:19 - Jan 30 with 1450 views | chicoazul |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:14 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, you should've said it so people know what the feck you're talking about.
My dad is waiting for a cancer op, and minor eye surgery. Both have been put back due to the health service being overwhelmed by Covid. You saying the health services aren't really overwhelmed is massively wrong and offensive. |
Everyone else got it apart from you. Nonetheless I’ve obviously touched a nerve so I’ll put you back on ignore now I know who you are. I hope your dad gets the care he needs very soon. | |
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| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:21 - Jan 30 with 1439 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:19 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
Everyone else got it apart from you. Nonetheless I’ve obviously touched a nerve so I’ll put you back on ignore now I know who you are. I hope your dad gets the care he needs very soon. |
No, several people have pointed out that one is private and one is public.
EDIT: Just realised "I’ll put you back on ignore now I know who you are" is another lie - your first reply to me in this thread you called me Jerseys, so you knew exactly who I was.
Same old Chickers, posting bull. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 12:39]
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| Exactly, there are a couple.... on 13:17 - Jan 30 with 1418 views | mrshallisfit |
| Exactly, there are a couple.... on 11:42 - Jan 30 by BlueBadger |
Yeah but be fair, Chico's always done that and now he's got a relative to worry about as well. |
Typical Tory. Private healthcare is fine - if you want to take that choice then brilliant. Once it hits personally then have a rant that completely misses the heart of the matter. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:21 - Jan 30 with 1411 views | mrshallisfit |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:19 - Jan 30 by chicoazul |
Everyone else got it apart from you. Nonetheless I’ve obviously touched a nerve so I’ll put you back on ignore now I know who you are. I hope your dad gets the care he needs very soon. |
No. Your initial post could only be read one way. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:22 - Jan 30 with 1408 views | mrshallisfit |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 12:21 - Jan 30 by The_Flashing_Smile |
No, several people have pointed out that one is private and one is public.
EDIT: Just realised "I’ll put you back on ignore now I know who you are" is another lie - your first reply to me in this thread you called me Jerseys, so you knew exactly who I was.
Same old Chickers, posting bull. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 12:39]
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Dont think it is bull. It just comes from a starting point of ignorance. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:28 - Jan 30 with 1403 views | m14_blue |
Sorry to hear about your family member, that must be awful and hope there’s a happy ending.
I get why it seems unfair when you see things like the Hawkins op going ahead but, as others have said, there are specific reasons, mostly the huge pressure on ITU beds.
I find your comment about ‘bleating’ from doctors and surgeons grossly unfair and insulting although I guess it comes from frustration. My brother in law is a doctor in an intensive care unit in London and what they have gone through over the last 12 months is indescribable, these are the people who have dedicated their lives to helping others and will hopefully do the same for your family member when circumstances allow. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:35 - Jan 30 with 1395 views | bluejacko |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 11:45 - Jan 30 by BlueBadger |
That's because HGV medicals, like travel vaccinations, are not an NHS service. It's a private service that you can access at NHS facilities.
More crucially, it's a private service that directly impacts upon NHS services as whilst they're doing that, they can't be treating the genuinely needy. [Post edited 30 Jan 2021 11:48]
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Ok with that but bare in mind,no medical,far fewer drivers on the road keeping everyone supplied with what they need! | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:39 - Jan 30 with 1389 views | mrshallisfit |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:35 - Jan 30 by bluejacko |
Ok with that but bare in mind,no medical,far fewer drivers on the road keeping everyone supplied with what they need! |
Are there far fewer drivers on the roads. When I use the A12 for work it still seems pretty busy. Not normal busy, but still pretty busy. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:41 - Jan 30 with 1384 views | bluejacko |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:39 - Jan 30 by mrshallisfit |
Are there far fewer drivers on the roads. When I use the A12 for work it still seems pretty busy. Not normal busy, but still pretty busy. |
Hgv drivers yes there is a shortage and as you need a medical from the age of 55 the pool will begin to run even drier. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:46 - Jan 30 with 1376 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:28 - Jan 30 by m14_blue |
Sorry to hear about your family member, that must be awful and hope there’s a happy ending.
I get why it seems unfair when you see things like the Hawkins op going ahead but, as others have said, there are specific reasons, mostly the huge pressure on ITU beds.
I find your comment about ‘bleating’ from doctors and surgeons grossly unfair and insulting although I guess it comes from frustration. My brother in law is a doctor in an intensive care unit in London and what they have gone through over the last 12 months is indescribable, these are the people who have dedicated their lives to helping others and will hopefully do the same for your family member when circumstances allow. |
Quite. | |
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| It's not that simple actually.... on 13:48 - Jan 30 with 1375 views | longtimefan |
| It's not that simple actually.... on 11:35 - Jan 30 by Bloots |
...the issue isn't simply about overall capacity.
It's primarily about ITU bed capacity.
The private sector has very few, if any ITU beds, when a private patient needs a serious procedure they need to ensure that there is an ITU bed available in the NHS should there be complications. Currently these are being taken up with Covid patients.
Ultimately the more serious procedures aren't even happening privately.
During the first lockdown private facilities were being used to supplement the NHS for less serious procedures. The NHS haven't contracted with the private sector formally to do that this time, they have just issued surge notices saying that they may need to.
The issue is simply down to the availability of ITU beds, not overall capacity, nor money. |
“During the first lockdown private facilities were being used to supplement the NHS for less serious procedures. The NHS haven't contracted with the private sector formally to do that this time, they have just issued surge notices saying that they may need to. ”
Ipswich hospital is certainly using private facilities to supplement their own as I recently had a CT at the Nuffield at the hospital’s behest. | | | |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:58 - Jan 30 with 1362 views | BlueBadger |
| How come Oli Hawkins... on 13:35 - Jan 30 by bluejacko |
Ok with that but bare in mind,no medical,far fewer drivers on the road keeping everyone supplied with what they need! |
30 seconds googling has given me at least a dozen links for companies willing to do HGV medicals for less than half of what you're claiming. | |
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