| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting 15:16 - Feb 2 with 1554 views | unstableblue |
They've beaten Arsenal and Leicester U23's this season... plus the likes of Watford, QPR and Charlton.
Albeit they do play some weird and wonderful lower league.
Their B team doesn't come from an academy, its picking up promising youngsters from around Europe (INCLUDING THE PREMIER LEAGUE), who didn't quite make it, or at a smaller club show promise.
Not a model for us - but at least its a strategy that has been implemented.
My Brentford love in continues!! [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 15:38]
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:26 - Feb 2 with 1501 views | textbackup |
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:35 - Feb 2 with 1481 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Quite the whirlwind romance considering that 6 months ago you were telling us all how they were succeeding by picking up young players from the Premier League
Brentford flying up the table to the top two - may I say 'technical'? by unstableblue 30 Jun 2020 19:51Brentford are flying
They are just such a contrast to the hapless direction and leadership we have endured under Marcus.
There's a rather lazy refrain on here 'oh but they dissolved their academy'... there is much more to it, in that they pick up Premier League cast off youths and play them in a high standard development lead, but more importantly they had a clear strategy and they implemented. We have had no definitive strategy, which would have been more academy focussed, and we have not cascaded it through the club's operation.
We have had no decent CEO/Chief Exec, and critically we've had no technical leadership structure.
That technical structure if in place at Town would have hired not one single of the manager's Marcus has brought to the club - not one. As none of them had/has the attributes to play the progressive, technical, football the fans actually want and an enduring structure demands.
Marcus was badly advised from the start - if he'd got the Cheif Exec right, who'd then hired the technical leaders around an interchangeable manager, we'd be in the Premiership.
Total shambles. Good on Brentford, moving into a smart stadium, developed through a clever STRATEGY!
No strategy, no principles, no objectives Marcus - its 2020 man!
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:35 - Feb 2 with 1471 views | soupytwist |
I wonder what Brexit will do for Brentford's model of "picking up promising youngsters from around Europe, who didn't quite make it, or at a smaller club show promise". It's worked well for them in recent years as far as I can tell but the new work permit regulations will presumably make it nearly impossible. |  | | |
| Errrrrr..... on 15:39 - Feb 2 with 1446 views | unstableblue |
| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:35 - Feb 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Quite the whirlwind romance considering that 6 months ago you were telling us all how they were succeeding by picking up young players from the Premier League
Brentford flying up the table to the top two - may I say 'technical'? by unstableblue 30 Jun 2020 19:51Brentford are flying
They are just such a contrast to the hapless direction and leadership we have endured under Marcus.
There's a rather lazy refrain on here 'oh but they dissolved their academy'... there is much more to it, in that they pick up Premier League cast off youths and play them in a high standard development lead, but more importantly they had a clear strategy and they implemented. We have had no definitive strategy, which would have been more academy focussed, and we have not cascaded it through the club's operation.
We have had no decent CEO/Chief Exec, and critically we've had no technical leadership structure.
That technical structure if in place at Town would have hired not one single of the manager's Marcus has brought to the club - not one. As none of them had/has the attributes to play the progressive, technical, football the fans actually want and an enduring structure demands.
Marcus was badly advised from the start - if he'd got the Cheif Exec right, who'd then hired the technical leaders around an interchangeable manager, we'd be in the Premiership.
Total shambles. Good on Brentford, moving into a smart stadium, developed through a clever STRATEGY!
No strategy, no principles, no objectives Marcus - its 2020 man!
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... perhaps its my Remoaning positions but when I write this:
"its picking up promising youngsters from around Europe" I include the Premier League!
You nutter.
I will now trawel the B Team squad and return with the number from Premier League.
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| Well it seems the majority are from Premier League (n/t) on 15:43 - Feb 2 with 1425 views | unstableblue |
| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:35 - Feb 2 by soupytwist |
I wonder what Brexit will do for Brentford's model of "picking up promising youngsters from around Europe, who didn't quite make it, or at a smaller club show promise". It's worked well for them in recent years as far as I can tell but the new work permit regulations will presumably make it nearly impossible. |
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| Do Chelsea,Liverpool, ManU, Arsenal count??? on 15:44 - Feb 2 with 1417 views | unstableblue |
| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:35 - Feb 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Quite the whirlwind romance considering that 6 months ago you were telling us all how they were succeeding by picking up young players from the Premier League
Brentford flying up the table to the top two - may I say 'technical'? by unstableblue 30 Jun 2020 19:51Brentford are flying
They are just such a contrast to the hapless direction and leadership we have endured under Marcus.
There's a rather lazy refrain on here 'oh but they dissolved their academy'... there is much more to it, in that they pick up Premier League cast off youths and play them in a high standard development lead, but more importantly they had a clear strategy and they implemented. We have had no definitive strategy, which would have been more academy focussed, and we have not cascaded it through the club's operation.
We have had no decent CEO/Chief Exec, and critically we've had no technical leadership structure.
That technical structure if in place at Town would have hired not one single of the manager's Marcus has brought to the club - not one. As none of them had/has the attributes to play the progressive, technical, football the fans actually want and an enduring structure demands.
Marcus was badly advised from the start - if he'd got the Cheif Exec right, who'd then hired the technical leaders around an interchangeable manager, we'd be in the Premiership.
Total shambles. Good on Brentford, moving into a smart stadium, developed through a clever STRATEGY!
No strategy, no principles, no objectives Marcus - its 2020 man!
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| Errrrrr..... on 15:46 - Feb 2 with 1415 views | soupytwist |
| Errrrrr..... on 15:39 - Feb 2 by unstableblue |
... perhaps its my Remoaning positions but when I write this:
"its picking up promising youngsters from around Europe" I include the Premier League!
You nutter.
I will now trawel the B Team squad and return with the number from Premier League.
My original post remains valid. |
Fair enough, if 'Europe' includes the Premier League. The premier league teams will probably find it more difficult to bring in young talent from the EU (but maybe not other places like South America) as time goes on so the talent pool to draw on could be increasingly British.
The whole 'they've dissolved the academy, that's what we should/what we shouldn't do' thing does somewhat overlook Brentford's particular circumstances. They're in a big city with plenty of other bigger clubs competing for young talent. Taking a different approach makes perfect sense for them. We aren't in that situation so binning the academy in favour of hoovering up players who haven't made the grade elsewhere probably might save some money (or it might not) and wouldn't be any less effort. | | | |
| Errrrrr..... on 15:56 - Feb 2 with 1379 views | unstableblue |
| Errrrrr..... on 15:46 - Feb 2 by soupytwist |
Fair enough, if 'Europe' includes the Premier League. The premier league teams will probably find it more difficult to bring in young talent from the EU (but maybe not other places like South America) as time goes on so the talent pool to draw on could be increasingly British.
The whole 'they've dissolved the academy, that's what we should/what we shouldn't do' thing does somewhat overlook Brentford's particular circumstances. They're in a big city with plenty of other bigger clubs competing for young talent. Taking a different approach makes perfect sense for them. We aren't in that situation so binning the academy in favour of hoovering up players who haven't made the grade elsewhere probably might save some money (or it might not) and wouldn't be any less effort. |
Having an academy suits our locale and I think our strategy.. not that we have one
Albeit I do worry that as the club loses its stature our ability to beat West Ham and Norwich for central anglian talent.
What comes out of analyzing where they get their players from, yes they pick up quite a few from Chelsea, Arsenal.. and even the likes of Watford. But also Man Us etc.
What I find striking is they must have one helluva a European scouting/monitoring function - they'll pulling players from France lower leagues, Scandinavia.... incredible. Not sure how Brexit will affect this.
As per my original post that CHealey kindly posted.. what an incredibly well run club. | |
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:59 - Feb 2 with 1372 views | BlueBadger |
| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:26 - Feb 2 by textbackup |
we aspire to be Brentford these days |
Sadly, it's Brentford in t he 1990's when they were a mid table third division team that we're aspiring to be like. |  |
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| Well it seems the majority are from Premier League (n/t) on 16:06 - Feb 2 with 1355 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Well it seems the majority are from Premier League (n/t) on 15:43 - Feb 2 by unstableblue |
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No that’s not true, looking at the B Team profiles on their website only 8 of the 24 players listed came from PL clubs (and one of those arrived from Aston Villa when they were in the Championship)
Why did you just lie?
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| Errrrrr..... on 16:11 - Feb 2 with 1342 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Errrrrr..... on 15:56 - Feb 2 by unstableblue |
Having an academy suits our locale and I think our strategy.. not that we have one
Albeit I do worry that as the club loses its stature our ability to beat West Ham and Norwich for central anglian talent.
What comes out of analyzing where they get their players from, yes they pick up quite a few from Chelsea, Arsenal.. and even the likes of Watford. But also Man Us etc.
What I find striking is they must have one helluva a European scouting/monitoring function - they'll pulling players from France lower leagues, Scandinavia.... incredible. Not sure how Brexit will affect this.
As per my original post that CHealey kindly posted.. what an incredibly well run club. |
They do have one hell of a scouting system, it’s analytics based following heavy investment including from the costs saved by ditching the academy, all of that funding has been diverted to recruitment. I’m not sure why you or anyone else act like this is some sort of revelation though - it’s been well publicised and is an obvious success given their current standing in the pyramid
Brexit will impact no doubt but the bigger impact is likely to be from other clubs copying the model, as it has basically pinpointed some areas/leagues (French lower leagues, Scandinavia etc) as being undervalued. Obviously that only works so far - with other clubs now fishing in these areas the price and value of players there will go up
But, just harping on about Brentford as some sort of model misses the point spectacularly - there are many different ways to skin a cat and we need to work to our own structure and strengths, not just poorly imitating the latest flavour of the week [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 16:12]
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 16:18 - Feb 2 with 1309 views | BlueBadger |
| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:35 - Feb 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Quite the whirlwind romance considering that 6 months ago you were telling us all how they were succeeding by picking up young players from the Premier League
Brentford flying up the table to the top two - may I say 'technical'? by unstableblue 30 Jun 2020 19:51Brentford are flying
They are just such a contrast to the hapless direction and leadership we have endured under Marcus.
There's a rather lazy refrain on here 'oh but they dissolved their academy'... there is much more to it, in that they pick up Premier League cast off youths and play them in a high standard development lead, but more importantly they had a clear strategy and they implemented. We have had no definitive strategy, which would have been more academy focussed, and we have not cascaded it through the club's operation.
We have had no decent CEO/Chief Exec, and critically we've had no technical leadership structure.
That technical structure if in place at Town would have hired not one single of the manager's Marcus has brought to the club - not one. As none of them had/has the attributes to play the progressive, technical, football the fans actually want and an enduring structure demands.
Marcus was badly advised from the start - if he'd got the Cheif Exec right, who'd then hired the technical leaders around an interchangeable manager, we'd be in the Premiership.
Total shambles. Good on Brentford, moving into a smart stadium, developed through a clever STRATEGY!
No strategy, no principles, no objectives Marcus - its 2020 man!
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It's not very 'technical' is it, this model? | |
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 17:43 - Feb 2 with 1231 views | itfcjoe |
Just heard the game is off |  |
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 17:54 - Feb 2 with 1214 views | jayessess |
It's interesting about PL discards, because it's something I notice we don't do much. A lot of the better players we come up against seem to be from that background. |  |
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| Well it seems the majority are from Premier League (n/t) on 18:24 - Feb 2 with 1174 views | unstableblue |
| Well it seems the majority are from Premier League (n/t) on 16:06 - Feb 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
No that’s not true, looking at the B Team profiles on their website only 8 of the 24 players listed came from PL clubs (and one of those arrived from Aston Villa when they were in the Championship)
Why did you just lie?
Good to see your commitment to being the TWTD version of Trump is gathering apace though |
Two things:
1. Do you know what majority means? ‘It means the larger number or part of something.’ Out of the 24 players, the largest part (the league their club plays in) is the Premier League. So why was lying? If you have a close election with multiple parties, the party with the most votes has the majority.
2. Why do you have such a big problem with me? You have no idea who I am or what I’m like, I think in general I try to add OK content to the board. But you weirdly just slate everything I say. If you don’t like it put me on ignore. You just come across really negatively - “why did you just lie?!” Just chill out | |
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| Errrrrr..... on 18:36 - Feb 2 with 1150 views | unstableblue |
| Errrrrr..... on 16:11 - Feb 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
They do have one hell of a scouting system, it’s analytics based following heavy investment including from the costs saved by ditching the academy, all of that funding has been diverted to recruitment. I’m not sure why you or anyone else act like this is some sort of revelation though - it’s been well publicised and is an obvious success given their current standing in the pyramid
Brexit will impact no doubt but the bigger impact is likely to be from other clubs copying the model, as it has basically pinpointed some areas/leagues (French lower leagues, Scandinavia etc) as being undervalued. Obviously that only works so far - with other clubs now fishing in these areas the price and value of players there will go up
But, just harping on about Brentford as some sort of model misses the point spectacularly - there are many different ways to skin a cat and we need to work to our own structure and strengths, not just poorly imitating the latest flavour of the week [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 16:12]
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Again sort your tone out.
The reason that Brentford are an exemplar is they have implemented such a sustainable on and off field management system, driven by a very clear strategy and objectives, where they have innovated to meet those objectives. Including foreign recruitment, but it’s beyond that.
Brentford fans felt confident that when their manager moved to Villa it would not really affect their club as the manager is only part of a wider project.
The route problem with Ipswich is we haven’t implemented anything sustainable or progressive in how we run the club or achieve success. Tin pot CEOs - I interviewed Clegg and whilst he had some attributes it was clear he was a ‘minister without portfolio’. Disconnected ‘chairman’.
Brentford have now moved into a new stadia and sit poised at the top of the Championship.
The reason I use Brentford is that they are an exemplar for vision to strategy to objectives to tangible outcomes. You must think I’m stupid if you think Town should blindly follow their model!!!!!!!!! As stated an academy suits us, we have a bigger fan base, etc
It really is tiresome having to respond to your negativity. Just put me on ignore, if you’ve got such a problem. | |
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 18:39 - Feb 2 with 1136 views | unstableblue |
| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 15:26 - Feb 2 by textbackup |
we aspire to be Brentford these days |
I know let that sink in!!!
I aspire to be Coventry!! They seem to be better run than us and they don’t even have a frickin stadium. | |
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| That U23 game against Brentfor B side will be interesting on 20:13 - Feb 2 with 1039 views | ITFC_96 |
Game's off. Waterlogged pitch. |  | | |
| Well it seems the majority are from Premier League (n/t) on 20:33 - Feb 2 with 1019 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Well it seems the majority are from Premier League (n/t) on 18:24 - Feb 2 by unstableblue |
Two things:
1. Do you know what majority means? ‘It means the larger number or part of something.’ Out of the 24 players, the largest part (the league their club plays in) is the Premier League. So why was lying? If you have a close election with multiple parties, the party with the most votes has the majority.
2. Why do you have such a big problem with me? You have no idea who I am or what I’m like, I think in general I try to add OK content to the board. But you weirdly just slate everything I say. If you don’t like it put me on ignore. You just come across really negatively - “why did you just lie?!” Just chill out |
No that’s not how it works, only 8 out of 24 coming from PL clubs mean 16 out of 24 came from outside the PL. 16 is a larger part of 24 than 8
Even if you were to break down where they came from more players come from abroad than the PL, so it clearly isn’t the majority source. That picture is even starker when you look at the players that actually progress into their team which is pretty much dominated by players scouted and signed from abroad (or in some cases the lower leagues) with very few players arriving on the way down from the PL
Good attempt though [Post edited 2 Feb 2021 20:40]
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| Errrrrr..... on 20:42 - Feb 2 with 1002 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Errrrrr..... on 18:36 - Feb 2 by unstableblue |
Again sort your tone out.
The reason that Brentford are an exemplar is they have implemented such a sustainable on and off field management system, driven by a very clear strategy and objectives, where they have innovated to meet those objectives. Including foreign recruitment, but it’s beyond that.
Brentford fans felt confident that when their manager moved to Villa it would not really affect their club as the manager is only part of a wider project.
The route problem with Ipswich is we haven’t implemented anything sustainable or progressive in how we run the club or achieve success. Tin pot CEOs - I interviewed Clegg and whilst he had some attributes it was clear he was a ‘minister without portfolio’. Disconnected ‘chairman’.
Brentford have now moved into a new stadia and sit poised at the top of the Championship.
The reason I use Brentford is that they are an exemplar for vision to strategy to objectives to tangible outcomes. You must think I’m stupid if you think Town should blindly follow their model!!!!!!!!! As stated an academy suits us, we have a bigger fan base, etc
It really is tiresome having to respond to your negativity. Just put me on ignore, if you’ve got such a problem. |
Can’t be a*sed to respond to most of that as you’re basically ranting and having a strop in response to arguments that haven’t been made. Really I’d just be repeating my last post in acknowledging that they have an excellent setup and that we need to find our own way
That isn’t how the ignore button works either, if you want it to be used then you have the button yourself. You can’t just demand that people aren’t allowed to challenge your views, again all a bit Trump-esque really | |
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| Errrrrr..... on 20:46 - Feb 2 with 978 views | unstableblue |
| Errrrrr..... on 20:42 - Feb 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Can’t be a*sed to respond to most of that as you’re basically ranting and having a strop in response to arguments that haven’t been made. Really I’d just be repeating my last post in acknowledging that they have an excellent setup and that we need to find our own way
That isn’t how the ignore button works either, if you want it to be used then you have the button yourself. You can’t just demand that people aren’t allowed to challenge your views, again all a bit Trump-esque really |
A truly pathetic attempt at a response.
Please just go away and leave me alone. | |
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| Errrrrr..... on 20:59 - Feb 2 with 952 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Errrrrr..... on 20:46 - Feb 2 by unstableblue |
A truly pathetic attempt at a response.
Please just go away and leave me alone. |
You posted a load of nonsense that starter with ‘sort your tone out’ and ended on ‘just ignore me’ - what kind of response were you expecting exactly?! | |
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