| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone 12:08 - Feb 11 with 3880 views | IP4_Blue |
to Evans/LON to moan about PL like they did with Hurst? |  | | |  |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:14 - Feb 11 with 814 views | Radlett_blue |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 14:26 - Feb 11 by MrTown |
It isn't going to happen under ME I'm afraid. His DoF become puppets with no power, he retains the final decision on all things, and his decision making is shambolic.
You need a DoF, Head of Recruitment, Head of Academy, and First Team Manager. You need successful people in them roles, pulling in the same direction for the same vision of the club, built on the same ideas - right now Bryan Klug is our only credible man, not good enough.
Players need to be cleared, a fresh start is much needed. |
As another poster elsewhere in this thread said, we tried the "new broom" approach with Hurst & it was a disaster as the established players went into a sulk, there became a divide between 2 camps of players & those which Hurst brought in weren't good enough.
Keane also - probably rightly - felt that there was an acceptance of mediocrity at the club.
Lambert's reign involved a run of results in the Championship that were every bit as bad as Hurst's so I would argue that the "losing mentality" hasn't been shaken off.
The team continues to underperform at a lower level, when at worst they should be in the top 6.
A huge clear out is inevitable, with a huge number of out of contract players, most of whom won't be much of a loss. I can only hope that we have a new manager in place before the end of the season & that he is better than most of Evans's previous appointments. |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:20 - Feb 11 with 814 views | longtimefan |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:33 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
I think their impact on Hurst is very much overplayed - but likes of Lee O'Neill will be well aware of the issues the players have with the management so Evans will know. |
Charlie Woods was the one that Evans listened to, and it was his opinions on the football under Hurst that persuaded him. Evans asked him to watch us on numerous occasions despite him having moved out the area. I hope Evans is providing him an iFollow subscription this season! | | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:23 - Feb 11 with 800 views | itfcjoe |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:20 - Feb 11 by longtimefan |
Charlie Woods was the one that Evans listened to, and it was his opinions on the football under Hurst that persuaded him. Evans asked him to watch us on numerous occasions despite him having moved out the area. I hope Evans is providing him an iFollow subscription this season! |
Charlie Woods and Dave Bowman, both mega experienced football men who Evans trusts and respects.
The idea that Chambers and Skuse went to Evans and moaned and he was sacked is so far fetched - it's way above their pay grade, and is something that would hang over them in the game. I'm sure if they were asked they'd give opinion but wouldn't be approaching ME |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:25 - Feb 11 with 789 views | Dyland |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:44 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I have a little sympathy for Hurst. Don't get me wrong, he was a disaster, and he demonstrated some terrible man management, going about things in totally the wrong way. Not to mention his dealings in the transfer market that ultimately got us where we are today. His sacking wasn't a day too soon. But I do think he identified a culture of acceptance at the club and tried to do something about it. It needs to be more nuanced of course than your assistant telling your keeper a 3 x player of the season he's sh1t, but I do think there's a soft underbelly at the club. There's not much by way of accountability, failure seems to be accepted with little consequence. The culture is rotten from the top down, and it all smacks of going through the motions.
There seems to be such a degree of player power at the club, and no doubt there's some positive influence from many of them, but I do think we're as soft as sh1t. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships. MM seemingly got that bang on. I can't see any evidence the others have. The players don't respect Lambert, they don't like him either.
Pearson would sort this lot out. |
"... there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships."
Bang on.
From the top, rather than just the manager. Evans is letting Lambert do a McCarthy, and whatever one's opinions about McCarthy and the end times at ITFC he is demonstrably a far better manager than Lambert.
Utter shambles, and farcical that Evans lets it continue. It's actually stressing me out now :) |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:28 - Feb 11 with 771 views | Dyland |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:11 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
This is why it's so important to get a new man in ASAP, so that they can begin to rebuild the culture and also have a few months to assess who is going to be part of that next season and who isn't - those clamouring for Chambers, Skuse, Sears, Huws, Judge, Toto and every other senior player to be released will likely be in for a shock as to who a new guy will keep around.
The first 3 of those helped clear out the culture from the Jewell era into the successful Mick times; but that has to be lead from above and there is and will continue to be a vacuum above the managers head.....so getting the right man is so important
It's a tough gig, it needs a good delegater who can manage up and down and engender respect from all the people they come across - Lambert is failing so badly in that respect.
Going back to Mick though, he'd turned around in 6 months - it should be even easier to do that at this level if we get the right man - but we need someone who will grab hold of the club from top to bottom - for me that is Danny Cowley or Nigel Pearson, they can demonstrably prove that is what they do....Pearson has done it a similarly sized clubs, Cowley has dome it at smaller sized ones. Pearson has the higher floor, Cowley the higher ceiling for me. |
"... there is and will continue to be a vacuum above the managers head.....so getting the right man is so important"
Here's the fundamental problem, and why I have very little optimism for the club's future under Marcus Evans Group. I know this has been called out for years, but it goes way beyond transfer budgets. | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:30 - Feb 11 with 762 views | Radlett_blue |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:25 - Feb 11 by Dyland |
"... there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships."
Bang on.
From the top, rather than just the manager. Evans is letting Lambert do a McCarthy, and whatever one's opinions about McCarthy and the end times at ITFC he is demonstrably a far better manager than Lambert.
Utter shambles, and farcical that Evans lets it continue. It's actually stressing me out now :) |
It's quite depressing that Evans seems to have had the wool pulled over his eyes so effectively by Lambert, whose last decent spell as a manager was nearly 10 years ago. | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:32 - Feb 11 with 753 views | itfcjoe |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:28 - Feb 11 by Dyland |
"... there is and will continue to be a vacuum above the managers head.....so getting the right man is so important"
Here's the fundamental problem, and why I have very little optimism for the club's future under Marcus Evans Group. I know this has been called out for years, but it goes way beyond transfer budgets. |
Ultimately I've been saying we need a DoF for years, from when before Mick was appointed - back then I'd get shot down by some but seems that everyone thinks it now.....!
But, I can moan about that until I'm blue in the face, it simply isn't happening, and that means when you recruit you have to go into that process knowing the weaknesses of the organisation, and the strengths you need from candidates.
Mick trusted Bowman implicitly to deal with his recruitment, he couldn't be running around wacthing games all week - especially based where we are - he can only go when it is the final check needing to be made.
The new manager will need a couple of right hand men to cover the great number of tasks involved in running a football club of this size single handedly in many respects | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:38 - Feb 11 with 728 views | Dyland |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:30 - Feb 11 by Radlett_blue |
It's quite depressing that Evans seems to have had the wool pulled over his eyes so effectively by Lambert, whose last decent spell as a manager was nearly 10 years ago. |
He must know that, and is now just looking at his balance sheet whilst hoping for a miraculous turnaround. In a way his reticence to replace managers is a good thing, but this time hindsight will prove him wrong in ways that could be catastrophic for the club. If we haven't been suffering catastrophe on some level for years, anyway ;) | |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:52 - Feb 11 with 695 views | BlueBadger |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:11 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
This is why it's so important to get a new man in ASAP, so that they can begin to rebuild the culture and also have a few months to assess who is going to be part of that next season and who isn't - those clamouring for Chambers, Skuse, Sears, Huws, Judge, Toto and every other senior player to be released will likely be in for a shock as to who a new guy will keep around.
The first 3 of those helped clear out the culture from the Jewell era into the successful Mick times; but that has to be lead from above and there is and will continue to be a vacuum above the managers head.....so getting the right man is so important
It's a tough gig, it needs a good delegater who can manage up and down and engender respect from all the people they come across - Lambert is failing so badly in that respect.
Going back to Mick though, he'd turned around in 6 months - it should be even easier to do that at this level if we get the right man - but we need someone who will grab hold of the club from top to bottom - for me that is Danny Cowley or Nigel Pearson, they can demonstrably prove that is what they do....Pearson has done it a similarly sized clubs, Cowley has dome it at smaller sized ones. Pearson has the higher floor, Cowley the higher ceiling for me. |
At the moment, there's a an issue with a vacuum IN the manager's head, as well. |  |
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| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 16:25 - Feb 11 with 651 views | OsborneOneNil |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:44 - Feb 11 by clive_baker |
I have a little sympathy for Hurst. Don't get me wrong, he was a disaster, and he demonstrated some terrible man management, going about things in totally the wrong way. Not to mention his dealings in the transfer market that ultimately got us where we are today. His sacking wasn't a day too soon. But I do think he identified a culture of acceptance at the club and tried to do something about it. It needs to be more nuanced of course than your assistant telling your keeper a 3 x player of the season he's sh1t, but I do think there's a soft underbelly at the club. There's not much by way of accountability, failure seems to be accepted with little consequence. The culture is rotten from the top down, and it all smacks of going through the motions.
There seems to be such a degree of player power at the club, and no doubt there's some positive influence from many of them, but I do think we're as soft as sh1t. Call me old fashioned but there needs to be that leadership from management, towing that fine line between authority and maintaining strong relationships. MM seemingly got that bang on. I can't see any evidence the others have. The players don't respect Lambert, they don't like him either.
Pearson would sort this lot out. |
I fancy Paul Cook, but the more time goes on , the more I'd like to see Pearson come in. He'd definitely sort it out!! |  | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 16:32 - Feb 11 with 640 views | dirtyboy |
People mention the Cowley's or Pearson as though they're destined to succeed, but like many of us who though Hurst was the man for the job, it's not straight forward.
Ipswich doesn't have a soft underbelly, it's not a lack of winning mentality, it's a lack of the type of leader/manager/backroom staff who can bring out the best of that type of person who finds themselves in this part of the world.
Suffolk and the surrouding area....it's not like Manchester or the cities in the Midlands, there's a different mentality this way and the next manager needs to connect with that, not break it.
We all know there's quality interspersed within this current squad, but it's all about people.
At school, we all had a teacher we liked, one you'd probably do a lot more for than any other teacher.
The next manager has to 'fit' the current people we have, not the other way around (save for any manager making the odd changes in any squad to bolster).
Proabably why Keane was such an abject disaster here.
It's not an easy pick at all.
I've interviewed people here and by and large we're looking for the right fit in terms of people as opposed to the perfect CV. Give me someone who shines and interacts and provides a good working colleague with a 2:1 over the dullard with the Masters who offers nothing else.
It's a bigger job, it's far more complex, but the principles should be the same. Mind you, last person we got pulled the wool over all our eyes...crock of sh*t lol!...doesn't always work. |  | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 17:40 - Feb 11 with 615 views | braveblue |
Chambers has nothing to say. He has been shocking for ages. | | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 18:33 - Feb 11 with 584 views | SenatorBlue |
Where I’m at is a first team manager change is needed ASAP, but that is no good without addressing the leadership vacuum. Personally, the only way I would view something positive was changing, is if we saw the following, and then a first team manager appointment:
- CEO appointed with full autonomy to run the club (in owners vision, and budget)
- DOF appointed to set and deliver the football vision
- DORecruitment appointed to deliver players that fit the football vision
- BK keeps doing what he does with the Academy
All of the above identify and appoint first team manager.
- Owner steps back from running the club, but clearly holds the CEO accountable for ensuring his aspirations for the club are delivered.
[wakes up from dream...ITFC apocalypse remains in progress] |  | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 22:11 - Feb 11 with 522 views | davblue |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 15:11 - Feb 11 by itfcjoe |
This is why it's so important to get a new man in ASAP, so that they can begin to rebuild the culture and also have a few months to assess who is going to be part of that next season and who isn't - those clamouring for Chambers, Skuse, Sears, Huws, Judge, Toto and every other senior player to be released will likely be in for a shock as to who a new guy will keep around.
The first 3 of those helped clear out the culture from the Jewell era into the successful Mick times; but that has to be lead from above and there is and will continue to be a vacuum above the managers head.....so getting the right man is so important
It's a tough gig, it needs a good delegater who can manage up and down and engender respect from all the people they come across - Lambert is failing so badly in that respect.
Going back to Mick though, he'd turned around in 6 months - it should be even easier to do that at this level if we get the right man - but we need someone who will grab hold of the club from top to bottom - for me that is Danny Cowley or Nigel Pearson, they can demonstrably prove that is what they do....Pearson has done it a similarly sized clubs, Cowley has dome it at smaller sized ones. Pearson has the higher floor, Cowley the higher ceiling for me. |
That’s a really good post. |  | | |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 22:52 - Feb 11 with 510 views | Felstow1978 |
| Do you think senior players like Chambers have gone on 13:34 - Feb 11 by MrTown |
Yeah to be fair, he could well be in with a a shout for the u9's in the near future. |
Wouldn't they be a bit too quick for him to keep up with? | |
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