| Time to forget the past now 17:15 - Mar 15 with 5786 views | chrismakin |
Bit of a shame regarding take over but also could be a blessing when you have no idea how it would have ended up. Lots of clubs have gone onto better things following a take over but plenty have gone the other way even more so than us under Evans.
Time to get behind everyone at the club now. We hope ME has learnt from Lambert in regards to structure and hopefully Paul Cook will also be vocal and get things in place we need.
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| Time to forget the past now on 09:49 - Mar 16 with 243 views | dirtyboy |
| Time to forget the past now on 21:16 - Mar 15 by J2BLUE |
This is my point, we weren't a lower Championship side when he bought us. You've now said we're a league one side. A lower Championship side. It's literally because this is where he has taken us. Connect the dots! |
J2.
It's clear we have different views and I am really trying to understand your points and whilst some make sense at a point in time, it just feels like one gamble after another is what you're ultimately wanting.
Managers can be changed easily if there's no improvement, Evans has been lauded, rightly so, for giving all managers a chance to improve and whilst not backing them perhaps enough financially, he has not interferred and has given every manager ample time to find the right formula that can bring success.
Owner changes are a different prospect.
We have no idea on what Evans is worth, but we also have no idea what monetary input this American consortium have available either, and it's pretty clear they want to sell us as soon as there's been progress and it can be profitable for them. That's no different to what Evans wanted to do when he first stepped in the door.
What's vastly different with Evans and a consortium is that Evans does not have hundreds of voices behind him in boards and stakeholders that can demand turning off financial support if things don't go as planned.
We've definitely stagnated, not denying that, but I still believe that a good manager can change the fortunes of a club.
Evans is not daft, he'll know he made a mistake not backing Mick, but he's also not likely to make the same mistake again. We are comfortably backed in terms of League One and 'should' very much be ahead of where we are in this league in terms of finances and resources.
That we are not, is not IMO, the fault of Evans. Clearly he spends far more than Peterborough, Lincoln and Doncaster, yet it seems fans demand more is spent. Why we are where we are this season is because of Lambert.
Now, I can see the attraction of a new owner if we get promoted as the budget in the Championship soars in order to be competitive.
Would Evans learn at that point too? Is he holding on to ITFC because win or lose, you have an opportunity to learn. We need to be upwardly mobile before the manager can be backed sufficiently, otherwise you're just throwing good money after bad.
New owners guarantee nothing is my point and as someone who is hugely optimistic about most new things, I don't see why there's such clamour for what is essentially a lucky dip. |  | | |
| Time to forget the past now on 12:38 - Mar 16 with 218 views | haynes_toe1 |
| Time to forget the past now on 09:49 - Mar 16 by dirtyboy |
J2.
It's clear we have different views and I am really trying to understand your points and whilst some make sense at a point in time, it just feels like one gamble after another is what you're ultimately wanting.
Managers can be changed easily if there's no improvement, Evans has been lauded, rightly so, for giving all managers a chance to improve and whilst not backing them perhaps enough financially, he has not interferred and has given every manager ample time to find the right formula that can bring success.
Owner changes are a different prospect.
We have no idea on what Evans is worth, but we also have no idea what monetary input this American consortium have available either, and it's pretty clear they want to sell us as soon as there's been progress and it can be profitable for them. That's no different to what Evans wanted to do when he first stepped in the door.
What's vastly different with Evans and a consortium is that Evans does not have hundreds of voices behind him in boards and stakeholders that can demand turning off financial support if things don't go as planned.
We've definitely stagnated, not denying that, but I still believe that a good manager can change the fortunes of a club.
Evans is not daft, he'll know he made a mistake not backing Mick, but he's also not likely to make the same mistake again. We are comfortably backed in terms of League One and 'should' very much be ahead of where we are in this league in terms of finances and resources.
That we are not, is not IMO, the fault of Evans. Clearly he spends far more than Peterborough, Lincoln and Doncaster, yet it seems fans demand more is spent. Why we are where we are this season is because of Lambert.
Now, I can see the attraction of a new owner if we get promoted as the budget in the Championship soars in order to be competitive.
Would Evans learn at that point too? Is he holding on to ITFC because win or lose, you have an opportunity to learn. We need to be upwardly mobile before the manager can be backed sufficiently, otherwise you're just throwing good money after bad.
New owners guarantee nothing is my point and as someone who is hugely optimistic about most new things, I don't see why there's such clamour for what is essentially a lucky dip. |
See, we are where we are because EVANS employed Lambert then took 2 years too long to sack him. It comes back on Evans, as it always does. |  | | |
| Time to forget the past now on 12:43 - Mar 16 with 211 views | PJH |
| Time to forget the past now on 12:38 - Mar 16 by haynes_toe1 |
See, we are where we are because EVANS employed Lambert then took 2 years too long to sack him. It comes back on Evans, as it always does. |
Personally I think that we are where we are because Evans employed Hurst but certainly Lambert did not help and he should have gone earlier. |  | | |
| Time to forget the past now on 12:46 - Mar 16 with 205 views | J2BLUE |
| Time to forget the past now on 09:49 - Mar 16 by dirtyboy |
J2.
It's clear we have different views and I am really trying to understand your points and whilst some make sense at a point in time, it just feels like one gamble after another is what you're ultimately wanting.
Managers can be changed easily if there's no improvement, Evans has been lauded, rightly so, for giving all managers a chance to improve and whilst not backing them perhaps enough financially, he has not interferred and has given every manager ample time to find the right formula that can bring success.
Owner changes are a different prospect.
We have no idea on what Evans is worth, but we also have no idea what monetary input this American consortium have available either, and it's pretty clear they want to sell us as soon as there's been progress and it can be profitable for them. That's no different to what Evans wanted to do when he first stepped in the door.
What's vastly different with Evans and a consortium is that Evans does not have hundreds of voices behind him in boards and stakeholders that can demand turning off financial support if things don't go as planned.
We've definitely stagnated, not denying that, but I still believe that a good manager can change the fortunes of a club.
Evans is not daft, he'll know he made a mistake not backing Mick, but he's also not likely to make the same mistake again. We are comfortably backed in terms of League One and 'should' very much be ahead of where we are in this league in terms of finances and resources.
That we are not, is not IMO, the fault of Evans. Clearly he spends far more than Peterborough, Lincoln and Doncaster, yet it seems fans demand more is spent. Why we are where we are this season is because of Lambert.
Now, I can see the attraction of a new owner if we get promoted as the budget in the Championship soars in order to be competitive.
Would Evans learn at that point too? Is he holding on to ITFC because win or lose, you have an opportunity to learn. We need to be upwardly mobile before the manager can be backed sufficiently, otherwise you're just throwing good money after bad.
New owners guarantee nothing is my point and as someone who is hugely optimistic about most new things, I don't see why there's such clamour for what is essentially a lucky dip. |
Another misrepresenting my views. Any new owner is a gamble, I don't know how many times I have to acknowledge that. The current owner has overseen a massive decline in our status as a club. Based on what we knew I was happy to take the gamble. I will not have people twist what i'm saying into me saying I am happy with all in gambles until it goes right. On balance, based on the current owner being a disaster and knowing what we know about Gamechangers I was happy to take the gamble.
I'm done. |  |
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| Time to forget the past now on 13:00 - Mar 16 with 195 views | dirtyboy |
| Time to forget the past now on 12:46 - Mar 16 by J2BLUE |
Another misrepresenting my views. Any new owner is a gamble, I don't know how many times I have to acknowledge that. The current owner has overseen a massive decline in our status as a club. Based on what we knew I was happy to take the gamble. I will not have people twist what i'm saying into me saying I am happy with all in gambles until it goes right. On balance, based on the current owner being a disaster and knowing what we know about Gamechangers I was happy to take the gamble.
I'm done. |
I'm not misrepresenting, I'm merely trying to understand.
There's no doubting the decline, there's no doubting that Lambert should have gone earlier, but it's all based on hindsight and historical performance.
That's clearly not an indicator for the future.
The final point I'd like to take you up on is "what we know about Gamechanger"
What do we know? We don't know what funds they have available for a start. | | | |
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