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De Gea vs Henderson 22:58 - May 26 with 2256 viewsChris_ITFC

It feels odd to substitute a goalkeeper before a shoot-out, but if you had two strikers with such a contrasting record, you'd switch them in a heartbeat. Why?

Henderson
Pens saved - 8
Pens unsaved - 11

De Gea
Pens saved - 11
Pens unsaved - 53
including 25 in a row before tonight.


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De Gea vs Henderson on 23:02 - May 26 with 2006 viewsHerbivore

De Gea looked lost in that shootout. Really should have brought Henderson on.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 23:14 - May 26 with 1951 viewsChris_ITFC

De Gea vs Henderson on 23:02 - May 26 by Herbivore

De Gea looked lost in that shootout. Really should have brought Henderson on.


The amount of analytics clubs too, that must be a well-known fact to the manager.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 23:18 - May 26 with 1934 viewsistanblue

van Gaal did it with Krul for the Netherlands in the WC. It worked.
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De Gea vs Henderson on 23:20 - May 26 with 1920 viewsJ2BLUE

It makes you wonder if United cared more about his resale value than the cup.

Not that that's worked out...

Truly impaired.
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De Gea vs Henderson on 23:22 - May 26 with 1913 viewsChris_ITFC

De Gea vs Henderson on 23:18 - May 26 by istanblue

van Gaal did it with Krul for the Netherlands in the WC. It worked.


Exactly - we can literally remember the times it's ever been done.

Yet every team would bring good penalty TAKERS on (Mata, Telles), yet they're only involved in ONE penalty. The goalkeeper is involved in half.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 07:31 - May 27 with 1668 viewsOsborneOneNil

De Gea vs Henderson on 23:02 - May 26 by Herbivore

De Gea looked lost in that shootout. Really should have brought Henderson on.


I agree. Problem is, OGS is too nice.
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De Gea vs Henderson on 07:43 - May 27 with 1630 viewsmikeybloo88

The last time I saw a keeper look like De Gea did, like you could take penalties all night and he wouldn't save one, was Shilton at 1990 WC semi final v Germany.
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De Gea vs Henderson on 07:51 - May 27 with 1606 viewsHerbivore

De Gea vs Henderson on 23:22 - May 26 by Chris_ITFC

Exactly - we can literally remember the times it's ever been done.

Yet every team would bring good penalty TAKERS on (Mata, Telles), yet they're only involved in ONE penalty. The goalkeeper is involved in half.


I imagine though that it's quite rare that your back up keeper is significantly better at saving penalties than your number 1. De Gea's record at saving pens is horrible though and it showed in the shootout, he looked like he had no clue how you're even meant to save a penalty. Henderson on the other hand has an excellent record. It should have been a no brainer.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 08:30 - May 27 with 1516 viewsBtreeBlueBlood

De Gea vs Henderson on 07:43 - May 27 by mikeybloo88

The last time I saw a keeper look like De Gea did, like you could take penalties all night and he wouldn't save one, was Shilton at 1990 WC semi final v Germany.


Agreed about shilton -

And Beasant was on the bench
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De Gea vs Henderson on 08:30 - May 27 with 1514 viewsTractorCam

De Gea vs Henderson on 07:43 - May 27 by mikeybloo88

The last time I saw a keeper look like De Gea did, like you could take penalties all night and he wouldn't save one, was Shilton at 1990 WC semi final v Germany.


The funny thing is though the Villarreal keeper was worse, he just has an inner striker's instinct

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De Gea vs Henderson on 08:33 - May 27 with 1492 viewsHerbivore

De Gea vs Henderson on 08:30 - May 27 by TractorCam

The funny thing is though the Villarreal keeper was worse, he just has an inner striker's instinct


Not sure I'd agree he was worse. He did the right things but seemed to have wrists made of wafer. De Gea looked like the tall kid who has been asked to play in goal at a kick about but who has never actually played football before.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 08:37 - May 27 with 1485 viewsvilanovablue

Whilst your point is valid the fact Utd were awful for 120 minutes and OGS left his albeit lesser lights on the bench when he made his first sub he bought on Fred for crying out loud leaving Mata and James on the bench. I'll admit Mata is getting on and James isn't world class but they surely both offer more attacking options than Fred.
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De Gea vs Henderson on 08:38 - May 27 with 1478 viewsWickets

What has happend to De Gea ,ok you are not going to blame a Keeper for losing a penalty shootout, but i agree he looked totally lost almost gave up after the first couple . A few years ago when he came to English football he had an aura of almost invincability about him now he looks a shadow of his former self .I suppose the many high profile mistakes of the last couple of years have taken their toll .
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De Gea vs Henderson on 08:46 - May 27 with 1437 viewsCrock

De Gea vs Henderson on 08:30 - May 27 by BtreeBlueBlood

Agreed about shilton -

And Beasant was on the bench


No he wasn’t. Woods was.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 08:58 - May 27 with 1380 viewsTractorCam

De Gea vs Henderson on 08:33 - May 27 by Herbivore

Not sure I'd agree he was worse. He did the right things but seemed to have wrists made of wafer. De Gea looked like the tall kid who has been asked to play in goal at a kick about but who has never actually played football before.


Good point, like the OP leans on I didn't suspect De Gea would save any of the 5, let alone think he wouldn't save 11.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 09:31 - May 27 with 1315 viewstractorboy1978

Imagine being a keeper on £150k+ a week and you are useless at saving penalties. Reminds me of what my Grandad always says 'he's paid 100 grand a week and they are saying he can't use his left foot?!'.
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De Gea vs Henderson on 11:06 - May 27 with 1195 viewsitfcjoe

De Gea vs Henderson on 07:43 - May 27 by mikeybloo88

The last time I saw a keeper look like De Gea did, like you could take penalties all night and he wouldn't save one, was Shilton at 1990 WC semi final v Germany.


That's what I thought - he seemed to use the Shilton tactic of seeing which way they went and try and save it after ball past him.

To then top it off with a dreadful penalty summed it up

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De Gea vs Henderson on 11:07 - May 27 with 1190 viewsChrisd

Mark Crossley (ex Forest keeper), who was great at saving penalties, tweeted last night......'Poor effort from both keepers in that shootout, you’ve got no chance if you don’t commit and go full blast, at least 5 could have easily been saved, more strength in Kit Kat fingers.'

Fair assessment.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 11:11 - May 27 with 1171 viewsHerbivore

De Gea vs Henderson on 11:07 - May 27 by Chrisd

Mark Crossley (ex Forest keeper), who was great at saving penalties, tweeted last night......'Poor effort from both keepers in that shootout, you’ve got no chance if you don’t commit and go full blast, at least 5 could have easily been saved, more strength in Kit Kat fingers.'

Fair assessment.


Their goalie definitely had biscuit wrists. He got to two of the penalties quite comfortably but didn't stop them going in.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 11:41 - May 27 with 1118 viewsNazemariner

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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De Gea vs Henderson on 14:00 - May 27 with 1051 viewsRadlett_blue

De Gea vs Henderson on 08:30 - May 27 by BtreeBlueBlood

Agreed about shilton -

And Beasant was on the bench


England had 5 players on the bench for the Italia 90 s/f, which was all you were allowed at the time. Chris Woods was the reserve goalkeeper so Beasant could not have been used. Even if he had, I doubt Robson would have made so dramatic a switch as the criticism he would have faced if he had done that & England lost would have been unimaginable.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 15:34 - May 27 with 1007 viewsThe_Last_Baron

De Gea vs Henderson on 07:51 - May 27 by Herbivore

I imagine though that it's quite rare that your back up keeper is significantly better at saving penalties than your number 1. De Gea's record at saving pens is horrible though and it showed in the shootout, he looked like he had no clue how you're even meant to save a penalty. Henderson on the other hand has an excellent record. It should have been a no brainer.


Agree. If Henderson is in goal he definitely saves at least one if not two of Villarreal's first five penalties. Should have hooked off De Gea who hasn't saved a pen since 2016.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 16:00 - May 27 with 977 viewsrickw

De Gea vs Henderson on 15:34 - May 27 by The_Last_Baron

Agree. If Henderson is in goal he definitely saves at least one if not two of Villarreal's first five penalties. Should have hooked off De Gea who hasn't saved a pen since 2016.


I agree, it's a bit of an insult to De Gea though - he might never be able to shake off that reputation as the keeper who can't save penalties after that, which if Man Utd are planning on selling him this summer won't help!

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De Gea vs Henderson on 16:41 - May 27 with 940 viewsThe_Last_Baron

De Gea vs Henderson on 16:00 - May 27 by rickw

I agree, it's a bit of an insult to De Gea though - he might never be able to shake off that reputation as the keeper who can't save penalties after that, which if Man Utd are planning on selling him this summer won't help!


I remember Argentina had a goalkeeper called Sergio Goycochea. He was a decent goalkeeper but nothing special. However he was very good at saving penalties. When Argentina won two shoot-outs to reach the 1990 World Cup final, it was down to him. Watching the penalties live you felt he was going to save them all.

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De Gea vs Henderson on 18:59 - May 27 with 837 viewsoldburian

De Gea vs Henderson on 16:41 - May 27 by The_Last_Baron

I remember Argentina had a goalkeeper called Sergio Goycochea. He was a decent goalkeeper but nothing special. However he was very good at saving penalties. When Argentina won two shoot-outs to reach the 1990 World Cup final, it was down to him. Watching the penalties live you felt he was going to save them all.


I went to the Div 1 play off Final, ,courtesy of UBS, between Palace(?) and Leicester. It went to extra time and O'Neill brought on his sub keeper right at the end. He never touched the ball as Leicester immediately scored the winner.
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