| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies 07:36 - May 30 with 4183 views | itfcjoe |
Front of page of today’s Sunday Times that UK and US forces are investigating this, won’t be easy dealing with Chinese |  |
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 12:09 - May 30 with 854 views | Darth_Koont |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 11:59 - May 30 by RegencyBlue |
It’s always been ‘feasible’ and more than likely!
It will never be proved for certain now because the Chinese have been given 18 months to cover their tracks but anyone who thinks it’s mere coincidence that this virus decided to spontaneously cross from animals to humans a couple of kilometres down the road from the laboratory where it’s been studied for more than a decade probably also believes in the tooth fairy!
It’s a possibility that various Governments and the WHO have been trying to bury from the start. Can you imagine the outrage had this happened in America? For some reason the Chinese have been given a free pass and we will never get to the truth now. |
The market was where the first incidents were identified. By the same lab.
There’s no evidence to say that it was deliberate or a leak from the lab. It’s feasible, yes. But no-one can say it’s likely. |  |
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 12:17 - May 30 with 837 views | Darth_Koont |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 12:04 - May 30 by RegencyBlue |
You mean the WHO run by the Ethiopian who many consider to be a war criminal and who was heavily backed for the post by China? |
Similarly, Murdoch has had a hard-on for China for years. And his papers have been pushing the pandemic origin stuff from the very start. Then we have UK and US “spies” and Tom Tugendhat as sources who have also had China in their sights for years ... how much of this is anti-China and trying to weaken their influence?
I don’t believe anyone per se, and I certainly wouldn’t believe the Chinese. But accusations without evidence are particularly worthless. | |
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 12:24 - May 30 with 810 views | StokieBlue |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 08:58 - May 30 by Darth_Koont |
I’m going with unlikely as it’s effectively the proximity of the lab to the original recorded outbreak that is the only noteworthy thing.
A virology lab in China studying coronavirus isn’t that strange given SARS has long been the focus over there. Ditto bat coronaviruses which for years have seemed to indicate bats as a principal vector.
Was there a connection between the lab’s researchers travelling around Southern China collecting samples, getting infected themselves and bringing that back to Wuhan? Very possibly.
But it taps into a narrative that is told about China and its threat. Well, if China is capable of releasing a new virus to damage Western economies then we’re certainly capable of telling and believing that story to discredit and marginalise them. And I think it also taps into an anti-science narrative where people who are establishing new knowledge are seen as a problem rather than a solution.
All in all, I’m going with probably not. If the proximity to the lab is the clincher then you’d have thought that the secret release of the virus would have been planned better. And why even release it within the Chinese borders let alone a mile away? |
All of that assumes it was deliberate which I've never said as it doesn't seem to make any sense for it to be deliberate.
It seems far more likely that if it was engineered then the protocols at the lab failed, some scientists or technicans were infected and passed it on outside the lab without knowing. Accidents happen.
That is all using the assumption it came from the lab though which is of course speculation.
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 12:35 - May 30 with 792 views | Darth_Koont |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 12:24 - May 30 by StokieBlue |
All of that assumes it was deliberate which I've never said as it doesn't seem to make any sense for it to be deliberate.
It seems far more likely that if it was engineered then the protocols at the lab failed, some scientists or technicans were infected and passed it on outside the lab without knowing. Accidents happen.
That is all using the assumption it came from the lab though which is of course speculation.
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Yeah, you didn’t say that. I was going on the bigger conspiracy theory mentioned in this thread that this was deliberate.
Of course, there could have been a leak – nothing is failsafe. But considering the virus emerged in South China, one of the main hotbeds of zoonotic diseases (along with Brazil, West Central Africa and India) where several have emerged in just the past couple of decades, and identified by a local lab specifically looking for them there doesn’t even seem to be a smoking gun. | |
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 13:03 - May 30 with 766 views | MedwayTractor |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 08:43 - May 30 by Guthrum |
It's always been "feasible" to some extent. But that doesn't mean it actually happened.
For obvious reasons, labs dealing with dangerous substances tend to have very strong precautions in place to prevent those escaping. Including monitoring the health of staff. Researchers know the nature of what they're handling and are unlikely to take a blase approach to any spillage (for their own health, if nothing else).
So how how might it have got from inside a secure lab to the local market, where the earliest cases have been traced to? |
The Daily Torygraph had a similar article yesterday. The comments about lab safety, if true, suggest that the opposite, ie lax procedures, was precisely the reason why the coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab.
The thrust of the article seemed to be that the Chinese scientists were tinkering with the virus just because they could, not because it furthered our knowledge for the benefit of mankind. Thousands of people have died as a result, but I'd be willing to bet that the Chinese will never be held to account. |  |
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 13:53 - May 30 with 729 views | m14_blue |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 13:03 - May 30 by MedwayTractor |
The Daily Torygraph had a similar article yesterday. The comments about lab safety, if true, suggest that the opposite, ie lax procedures, was precisely the reason why the coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab.
The thrust of the article seemed to be that the Chinese scientists were tinkering with the virus just because they could, not because it furthered our knowledge for the benefit of mankind. Thousands of people have died as a result, but I'd be willing to bet that the Chinese will never be held to account. |
Serious question - how would you hold them to account? |  | | |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 15:46 - May 30 with 692 views | SaigonTractor |
Most scientists are still saying it's unlikely to have been made in a lab, but they can't 100% rule it out because China won't cooperate. Of course spies are going to be more inclined to think it's something more nefarious, their entire job is distrusting foreign governments.
This whole thing smacks to me of the US trying to find someone to blame so they can reconcile their awful response with themselves. Much easier to blame China if half the population thinks it was made in a lab by evil scientists.
Unfortunately this will just distract from the many real evil things the Chinese government does. |  | | |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 18:16 - May 30 with 654 views | StokieBlue |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 15:46 - May 30 by SaigonTractor |
Most scientists are still saying it's unlikely to have been made in a lab, but they can't 100% rule it out because China won't cooperate. Of course spies are going to be more inclined to think it's something more nefarious, their entire job is distrusting foreign governments.
This whole thing smacks to me of the US trying to find someone to blame so they can reconcile their awful response with themselves. Much easier to blame China if half the population thinks it was made in a lab by evil scientists.
Unfortunately this will just distract from the many real evil things the Chinese government does. |
Why would the current administration under Biden want to do that though? The awful response was until Trump, the response under Biden has been pretty good and the vaccination programme seems to have gone well.
So I don't think your reasoning adds up, there is nothing in it for Biden unless he just wants it cleared up one way or the other.
You are totally right the Chinese government does a lot of awful things.
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 20:17 - May 30 with 620 views | TractorWood |
It was the obvious explanation when I found out they had a coronavirus research facility in Wuhan and it remains the obvious explanation.
Occam's razor would support this. |  |
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 21:07 - May 30 with 571 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 20:17 - May 30 by TractorWood |
It was the obvious explanation when I found out they had a coronavirus research facility in Wuhan and it remains the obvious explanation.
Occam's razor would support this. |
Or a very cunning pangolin! |  |
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| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 00:49 - May 31 with 509 views | Sarge |
| Wuhan lab leak is ‘feasible’ say British spies on 08:43 - May 30 by Guthrum |
It's always been "feasible" to some extent. But that doesn't mean it actually happened.
For obvious reasons, labs dealing with dangerous substances tend to have very strong precautions in place to prevent those escaping. Including monitoring the health of staff. Researchers know the nature of what they're handling and are unlikely to take a blase approach to any spillage (for their own health, if nothing else).
So how how might it have got from inside a secure lab to the local market, where the earliest cases have been traced to? |
This is China we’re talking about. The usual rules of procedural safety and standards don’t apply. | | | |
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