| So my friend is trying to persuade... 16:47 - Jul 1 with 5886 views | Fixed_It |
...her daughter not to get jabbed due to 'the vaccine not being tested properly'. Her son is ignoring the advice because he wants to go partying abroad, but the daughter isn't getting jabbed because of the 'risk to fertility'. Clearly, this is twaddle. What are the social and moral arguments in favour of youngsters (early 20s in this case) getting jabbed? |  |
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| So my friend is trying to persuade... on 10:30 - Jul 2 with 352 views | DinDjarin |
| So my friend is trying to persuade... on 22:32 - Jul 1 by jeera |
Thalidomide wasn't a vaccine and was something dreadful that happened 40 years ago and more.
Disgraceful as it was, the outfall from that led to some of the stringent measures that are in place today.
I don't doubt for a moment that all medicines aren't 100% safe but by that logic I wouldn't take paracetamol.
Let alone allow a complete stranger knock me out for hours on end whist their colleague, another stranger, cut me open and perform surgery on me.
Actually I'm more wary of the latter than the vaccines just to be clear. [Post edited 1 Jul 2021 22:47]
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I must admit the pandemrix vaacine for swine flu in 2009 made me twitchy bout this vaccine.
A rushed through vaccine with devastating and life changing side effects for a lot of people mostly children. [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 10:30]
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| So my friend is trying to persuade... on 10:39 - Jul 2 with 343 views | StokieBlue |
| So my friend is trying to persuade... on 10:30 - Jul 2 by DinDjarin |
I must admit the pandemrix vaacine for swine flu in 2009 made me twitchy bout this vaccine.
A rushed through vaccine with devastating and life changing side effects for a lot of people mostly children. [Post edited 2 Jul 2021 10:30]
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So once again I don't think the two vaccines are equatable:
- They use mainly different tech (especially the mRNA vaccines).
- You cited "this vaccine" but there are multiple vaccines for C19 as there were for swine flu in 2009 and only one of those had this problem.
- Only 38m people were given the 2009 vaccine and issues were seen quickly as you've said. Far more people have had the C19 vaccines and thus issues should have shown up in huge numbers by now if they do exist.
I do understand the hesitancy when looking at historical issues but in reality the vaccine should be evaluated in isolation on it's own merits and faults rather than by comparison to historical failures. As it stands there is no reason to think the vaccine has any issues, of course that could change if different data becomes available but that is the same with any medical treatment.
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| So my friend is trying to persuade... on 14:10 - Jul 2 with 279 views | jeera |
| So my friend is trying to persuade... on 08:57 - Jul 2 by NthQldITFC |
For a professed 'non-scientist' I think you have an excellent approach towards assessing and dealing with the uncertainties involved, and in humbly expressing the desire to be 'corrected' where necessary. |
He's good guy that one.
Just keep an eye on your hub caps that's all. |  |
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| So my friend is trying to persuade... on 15:06 - Jul 2 with 269 views | BlueBadger |
| So my friend is trying to persuade... on 09:17 - Jul 2 by ElephantintheRoom |
You can spout thr government line all you like - but vaccine hysteria was generated because the government opted out of test and trace and border closures. Vaccines are the conservative governments hail mary - conveniently ignoring that vaccinated people can still catch and pass on covid. They have also been guilty of misrepresenting what vaccines can do - stop you dying and getting serious disease, especially in vulnerable cohorts. They wont stop the spread of covid because the only way to do that is isolate carriers - in fact they can encourage its spread as people let their guard down and queue up to take their delta variant on holiday.
There are unknowns that are known - and unknowns that are unknown - vaccinating people by the million can have unforseen effects down the line. There are precedents for this - perhaps most pertinently the 1976 swine flu vaccination programme. It will be many decades before the consequences of cynically using people as human guinea pigs will be known.
There are multiple vaccines, all of which went through different trial processes, some of which are now banned in many countries. Covid is a global problem - and will only end with a global solution - if it ends at all. I note that your blurb also misprepresents truth in that saying someone isnt likely to get seriously ill through covid doesnt mean that a few people do. Nobody is denying reality - apart from you apparently denying people the right to opt out of an untested vaccine for a problem they dont have |
Remind us again of how I don't actually work for the NHS for an edgy encore. |  |
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