| Are supermarkets really running out of food? 13:19 - Jul 22 with 6816 views | Illinoisblue |
How bad is it in Ipswich? Or is this just media hype? |  |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 08:00 - Jul 23 with 1232 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 23:52 - Jul 22 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Nah, I love London. Dollers just often forgets that just because something is true of London doesn’t necessarily mean the rest of the country is the same
Yeah, think there’s some truth in that - or if not doubling up, taking the opportunity to grab things when they were there when they wouldn’t usually have been on the shopping list. Which is my point largely, that sort of ‘panic buying’ was proven to be justified as there were shortages |
I don't know why you think Crystal Palace is any different to anywhere else. We have the same amount of supermarkets nearby as I did when I lived in Hatfield, Chelmsford, stayed in Birmingham etc. Obviously I haven't lived all over the country but the fact is most of us have access to several supermarkets.
Politically London might be a bubble, and I have access to the best museums and art galleries, but other than that you're talking nonsense fella. |  |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 08:59 - Jul 23 with 1185 views | WeWereZombies |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 08:00 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know why you think Crystal Palace is any different to anywhere else. We have the same amount of supermarkets nearby as I did when I lived in Hatfield, Chelmsford, stayed in Birmingham etc. Obviously I haven't lived all over the country but the fact is most of us have access to several supermarkets.
Politically London might be a bubble, and I have access to the best museums and art galleries, but other than that you're talking nonsense fella. |
My nearest supermarket is twenty one miles away... |  |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 10:46 - Jul 23 with 1157 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 08:59 - Jul 23 by WeWereZombies |
My nearest supermarket is twenty one miles away... |
And I'm sure there are people in the Outer Hebrides who are hundreds of miles from a supermarket. Not really the point is it? You're one person. I'd wager most people on this forum are fairly close to a supermarket. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:04 - Jul 23 with 1137 views | Mookamoo |
I can confirm the mass shortages. Tesco had no dark chocolate choc ices. I'm having to make do with milk chocolate ones. |  | | |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:21 - Jul 23 with 1119 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 08:00 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know why you think Crystal Palace is any different to anywhere else. We have the same amount of supermarkets nearby as I did when I lived in Hatfield, Chelmsford, stayed in Birmingham etc. Obviously I haven't lived all over the country but the fact is most of us have access to several supermarkets.
Politically London might be a bubble, and I have access to the best museums and art galleries, but other than that you're talking nonsense fella. |
Google suggests Crystal Palace is postcode area SE19
Supermarkets within 5 miles of SE19 according to Yell - 249
Supermarkets within 5 miles of IP1 according to Yell - 17
London bubble indeed |  |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:28 - Jul 23 with 1112 views | Ryorry |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 10:46 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
And I'm sure there are people in the Outer Hebrides who are hundreds of miles from a supermarket. Not really the point is it? You're one person. I'd wager most people on this forum are fairly close to a supermarket. |
Can only speak about where I know, but in North Yorks there are hundreds of thousands of us who are 12 or more miles from a supermarket.
Wouldn't mind betting it's similar in other rural counties, and there are plenty of those - Lancs, Durham, Cumbria, Lincs, Norfolk, Cornwall, Devon, Somerset etc. etc.
There are home deliveries of course, but slots are once again becoming difficult to find - even for those with priority, it's around 5-7 days for Sains & Waitrose & I can't get one at all for the forseeable from Ocado (I think they had a fire at a warehouse causing extra problems). |  |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:35 - Jul 23 with 1094 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:21 - Jul 23 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Google suggests Crystal Palace is postcode area SE19
Supermarkets within 5 miles of SE19 according to Yell - 249
Supermarkets within 5 miles of IP1 according to Yell - 17
London bubble indeed |
Jesus Christ, and people call me being like a dog with a bone.
Yes, if I want to drive into central London and pay the congestion charge plus have to find somewhere to park, I can find more supermarkets.
Oh no, you only have 17 supermarkets near you. However will you cope?! It's like a third world country out there!
Your point is irrelevant anyway. I didn't need to traipse around 249 supermarkets looking for mythical loo rolls. I just did my normal shop in my local supermarket. Sometimes the shelves were empty, then they got restocked. The shelves were only empty because of panickers like you. The supermarkets said themselves if people just did their normal shops they'd be fine.
And also London has more supermarkets because it has more people. It's not s difficult concept to grasp. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:48 - Jul 23 with 1078 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:28 - Jul 23 by Ryorry |
Can only speak about where I know, but in North Yorks there are hundreds of thousands of us who are 12 or more miles from a supermarket.
Wouldn't mind betting it's similar in other rural counties, and there are plenty of those - Lancs, Durham, Cumbria, Lincs, Norfolk, Cornwall, Devon, Somerset etc. etc.
There are home deliveries of course, but slots are once again becoming difficult to find - even for those with priority, it's around 5-7 days for Sains & Waitrose & I can't get one at all for the forseeable from Ocado (I think they had a fire at a warehouse causing extra problems). |
I knew you'd be along to chip in as you usually do on such occasions, with your own very personal perspective. But I did say earlier in the thread, "I appreciate rural places with one shop must've struggled, but that's a small proportion of the whole country."
I still maintain that's a small proportion of the whole country. Most people live in cities... that's why they're cities... and cities have lots of supermarkets. Those you talk about would have to travel 12 miles to the supermarket regardless of if there's a pandemic or not, so I don't really get your point.
My point is if people stayed calm, were a little less selfish, and just continued to buy what they needed, we wouldn't have had the empty shelves. In fact the supermarkets themselves confirmed it.
I'm really just echoing what others have said on the thread - people hear "Don't panic buy" on the news... and immediately go out and panic buy. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:55 - Jul 23 with 1073 views | Ryorry |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:48 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I knew you'd be along to chip in as you usually do on such occasions, with your own very personal perspective. But I did say earlier in the thread, "I appreciate rural places with one shop must've struggled, but that's a small proportion of the whole country."
I still maintain that's a small proportion of the whole country. Most people live in cities... that's why they're cities... and cities have lots of supermarkets. Those you talk about would have to travel 12 miles to the supermarket regardless of if there's a pandemic or not, so I don't really get your point.
My point is if people stayed calm, were a little less selfish, and just continued to buy what they needed, we wouldn't have had the empty shelves. In fact the supermarkets themselves confirmed it.
I'm really just echoing what others have said on the thread - people hear "Don't panic buy" on the news... and immediately go out and panic buy. |
"I knew you'd be along to chip in as you usually do on such occasions, with your own very personal perspective."
You seem to have missed that what I highlighted was "my own situation and that of several million others".
I agree with you re panic buying btw. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 12:43 - Jul 23 with 1056 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:55 - Jul 23 by Ryorry |
"I knew you'd be along to chip in as you usually do on such occasions, with your own very personal perspective."
You seem to have missed that what I highlighted was "my own situation and that of several million others".
I agree with you re panic buying btw. |
Oh it's gone up from hundreds of thousand to several million now!
But what point are you making? Yes, lots of people don't live that close to a supermarket. We're talking about stocks getting low... in rural cases there are less supermarkets but also less people. I have more supermarkets to choose from (if needed, which I didn't) but I also have more people who will be panic buying the goods.
Either way, don't panic buy and you'll be fine, which we seem to be aligned on.
It's like people who complain about being stuck in traffic. You ARE the traffic! | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 12:51 - Jul 23 with 1044 views | Ryorry |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 12:43 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh it's gone up from hundreds of thousand to several million now!
But what point are you making? Yes, lots of people don't live that close to a supermarket. We're talking about stocks getting low... in rural cases there are less supermarkets but also less people. I have more supermarkets to choose from (if needed, which I didn't) but I also have more people who will be panic buying the goods.
Either way, don't panic buy and you'll be fine, which we seem to be aligned on.
It's like people who complain about being stuck in traffic. You ARE the traffic! |
What I *actually* said was "hundreds of thousands in North Yorks" plus numerous other rural counties (some of which I named). In total, that amounts to several million. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 12:56 - Jul 23 with 1037 views | You_Bloo_Right |
Not sure about the food situation but I can't seem to get any gully surrounds without visiting stores in N Ireland; oh, or maybe Dorset. |  |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 13:12 - Jul 23 with 1020 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 12:51 - Jul 23 by Ryorry |
What I *actually* said was "hundreds of thousands in North Yorks" plus numerous other rural counties (some of which I named). In total, that amounts to several million. |
Not really sure where you get your "millions" figure from. A quick google search throws up this article;
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/12/more-than-a-million-uk-residents
More than a million live in 'food deserts' - so nowhere near your "millions" figure, and this takes into account poverty rather than just being a certain distance from a supermarket.
I still don't know what your point is though, and how this relates to empty shelves due to panic buying. Not having a go but I've asked three times now. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 13:52 - Jul 23 with 997 views | Ryorry |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 13:12 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not really sure where you get your "millions" figure from. A quick google search throws up this article;
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/12/more-than-a-million-uk-residents
More than a million live in 'food deserts' - so nowhere near your "millions" figure, and this takes into account poverty rather than just being a certain distance from a supermarket.
I still don't know what your point is though, and how this relates to empty shelves due to panic buying. Not having a go but I've asked three times now. |
"Total population of rural areas in UK - 11.4 million people
In 2015, 11.4 million people lived in a predominantly rural area, 20.7% of the England population. 51 per cent of the population in predominantly rural areas are over the age of 44, an increase from 45 per cent in 2001.27 Aug 2020"
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rural-population-and-migration/rural-po
Has shrunk slightly since then, but not much (and there's been a bit of a swing back to rural areas since the start of the pandemic according to estate agents) -
"In 2019, the urban population of the United Kingdom was approximately 55.91 million, while the rural population was around 10.93 million. Since 1960 the urban population of the UK has grown by 14.81 million, while the rural population has shrank by around 370 thousand"
https://www.statista.com/statistics/984702/urban-and-rural-population-of-the-uk/
I'm out. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 14:29 - Jul 23 with 970 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 13:52 - Jul 23 by Ryorry |
"Total population of rural areas in UK - 11.4 million people
In 2015, 11.4 million people lived in a predominantly rural area, 20.7% of the England population. 51 per cent of the population in predominantly rural areas are over the age of 44, an increase from 45 per cent in 2001.27 Aug 2020"
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/rural-population-and-migration/rural-po
Has shrunk slightly since then, but not much (and there's been a bit of a swing back to rural areas since the start of the pandemic according to estate agents) -
"In 2019, the urban population of the United Kingdom was approximately 55.91 million, while the rural population was around 10.93 million. Since 1960 the urban population of the UK has grown by 14.81 million, while the rural population has shrank by around 370 thousand"
https://www.statista.com/statistics/984702/urban-and-rural-population-of-the-uk/
I'm out. |
Ha. Of course you're out... still without explaining what your point is and the relevance to the discussion in hand.
And these 'rural' figures don't say anything about proximity to a supermarket.
Many rural areas do have supermarkets, as I'm sure you know. I stayed in a hut in a forest in the Lake District... and we still had a supermarket 5 miles away. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 14:44 - Jul 23 with 957 views | Ryorry |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 14:29 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Ha. Of course you're out... still without explaining what your point is and the relevance to the discussion in hand.
And these 'rural' figures don't say anything about proximity to a supermarket.
Many rural areas do have supermarkets, as I'm sure you know. I stayed in a hut in a forest in the Lake District... and we still had a supermarket 5 miles away. |
All you had to do was re-read the thread to see that I was simply supporting the point C. Healey made re rural areas not having the number of supermarkets available to residents that cities/towns do.
It was your choice to keep asking & pursuing me about that.
I won't be replying to you any further on this. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 15:29 - Jul 23 with 937 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 14:29 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Ha. Of course you're out... still without explaining what your point is and the relevance to the discussion in hand.
And these 'rural' figures don't say anything about proximity to a supermarket.
Many rural areas do have supermarkets, as I'm sure you know. I stayed in a hut in a forest in the Lake District... and we still had a supermarket 5 miles away. |
Too many posts to respond to so combining a few points into one:
- you posted that there weren’t more supermarkets near you as other areas, I just posted some numbers to point out this was clearly nonsense
- number of supermarkets clearly is relevant, particularly in Londons case as that means more supply
- similarly, someone with multiple shops on their doorstep has less need to panic buy than someone with few, as they have much more options in a crisis
- Ryorry is correct, there are millions that live in rural areas, as proven by the most basic of research
- LOL at you suggesting Ryorry is viewing things through her own prism, when your whole argument seems to be that there was no issues as you could buy toilet paper in London
Again, I don’t disagree that people doubling up contributed, I just don’t think it’s relevant to an individual doing so. as if everyone else is panic buying then individuals don’t have much choice. And were proven to be justified in doing so as shelves did indeed run empty for a while - which was the point I initially picked up on
Finally I never said I panic bought btw - although will confess to buying some extra nappies as at one point we got down to having 3 left and the thought of having to fashion something for my little un out of cloth horrified me. Shoot me | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 15:56 - Jul 23 with 914 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 15:29 - Jul 23 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Too many posts to respond to so combining a few points into one:
- you posted that there weren’t more supermarkets near you as other areas, I just posted some numbers to point out this was clearly nonsense
- number of supermarkets clearly is relevant, particularly in Londons case as that means more supply
- similarly, someone with multiple shops on their doorstep has less need to panic buy than someone with few, as they have much more options in a crisis
- Ryorry is correct, there are millions that live in rural areas, as proven by the most basic of research
- LOL at you suggesting Ryorry is viewing things through her own prism, when your whole argument seems to be that there was no issues as you could buy toilet paper in London
Again, I don’t disagree that people doubling up contributed, I just don’t think it’s relevant to an individual doing so. as if everyone else is panic buying then individuals don’t have much choice. And were proven to be justified in doing so as shelves did indeed run empty for a while - which was the point I initially picked up on
Finally I never said I panic bought btw - although will confess to buying some extra nappies as at one point we got down to having 3 left and the thought of having to fashion something for my little un out of cloth horrified me. Shoot me |
Sigh.
"- number of supermarkets clearly is relevant, particularly in Londons case as that means more supply"
- it also means LOTS more people using them... so there's not necessarily more supply. Supermarket companies aren't daft. They go where there's demand. London is absolutely PACKED with people. That's why there's so many supermarkets.
- "similarly, someone with multiple shops on their doorstep has less need to panic buy than someone with few, as they have much more options in a crisis"
- but as I've pointed out several times, I didn't need to use any other options. So whether I had 17 or 117 other options is irrelevant.
- "Ryorry is correct, there are millions that live in rural areas, as proven by the most basic of research"
- But the point isn't about how many people live rurally... it's about how many people are near to a supermarket. I used the example of staying in a hut in a forest in the Lake District ...and still being 5 miles from a supermarket (well 2 that I knew of).
Every one of your points is easily pulled apart. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 16:10 - Jul 23 with 896 views | aardvaark |
BREXIT. |  |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 16:14 - Jul 23 with 888 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 15:56 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Sigh.
"- number of supermarkets clearly is relevant, particularly in Londons case as that means more supply"
- it also means LOTS more people using them... so there's not necessarily more supply. Supermarket companies aren't daft. They go where there's demand. London is absolutely PACKED with people. That's why there's so many supermarkets.
- "similarly, someone with multiple shops on their doorstep has less need to panic buy than someone with few, as they have much more options in a crisis"
- but as I've pointed out several times, I didn't need to use any other options. So whether I had 17 or 117 other options is irrelevant.
- "Ryorry is correct, there are millions that live in rural areas, as proven by the most basic of research"
- But the point isn't about how many people live rurally... it's about how many people are near to a supermarket. I used the example of staying in a hut in a forest in the Lake District ...and still being 5 miles from a supermarket (well 2 that I knew of).
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‘Supermarket companies aren’t daft. They go where there’s demand’ - yes, so where do you think they focus on supplying too then?
‘I didn’t need to use any other options’ - Yes, because there was much more supply and less need to panic buy. If you’d been going and seeing cleared out shelves for 2 weeks, and didn’t have many other shops nearby as a safeguard, then you’d have probably bought more when you got the chance too
Last paragraph - the fact you had a supermarket near to a place you stayed at once, in a popular tourist destination, doesn’t prove that lots of people don’t have to travel some distance to get to a Supermarket, you lemon | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 16:26 - Jul 23 with 874 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 16:14 - Jul 23 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
‘Supermarket companies aren’t daft. They go where there’s demand’ - yes, so where do you think they focus on supplying too then?
‘I didn’t need to use any other options’ - Yes, because there was much more supply and less need to panic buy. If you’d been going and seeing cleared out shelves for 2 weeks, and didn’t have many other shops nearby as a safeguard, then you’d have probably bought more when you got the chance too
Last paragraph - the fact you had a supermarket near to a place you stayed at once, in a popular tourist destination, doesn’t prove that lots of people don’t have to travel some distance to get to a Supermarket, you lemon |
Rude and ignorant as ever. I simply used one example to show that "rural" doesn't necessarily mean "nowhere near a supermarket." It was a direct response to Ryorry's figures that listed who lives rurally - but there were no "near or far from a supermarket" stats in there.
There's more supply... but there's more people. That's WHY there's more supply.
Sheesh. I give up. We're going round in circles. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 09:12 - Jul 24 with 774 views | WeWereZombies |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 10:46 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
And I'm sure there are people in the Outer Hebrides who are hundreds of miles from a supermarket. Not really the point is it? You're one person. I'd wager most people on this forum are fairly close to a supermarket. |
Yeah but I live in the Inner Hebrides...anyway, no one has bettered twenty one miles yet, not even Ryorry, bunch of lightweights. But I think I'll move to somewhere fifty miles from a supermarket just to make sure that I win the thread. | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 09:27 - Jul 24 with 763 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:04 - Jul 23 by Mookamoo |
I can confirm the mass shortages. Tesco had no dark chocolate choc ices. I'm having to make do with milk chocolate ones. |
If I knew how, I’d set up a crowdfunder to help you through this difficult time. Digestives are the same - dark chocolate are far superior.
Things are getting noticeable over here. Went to a large Co-op (haven’t seen one for years as they all seem to be the small ones these days) in N Wales yesterday and it was 2/3rds stocked at best. No fresh stuff, no bog roll, no crisps, no lots of things really. |  |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 09:34 - Jul 24 with 755 views | WeWereZombies |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 09:27 - Jul 24 by Swansea_Blue |
If I knew how, I’d set up a crowdfunder to help you through this difficult time. Digestives are the same - dark chocolate are far superior.
Things are getting noticeable over here. Went to a large Co-op (haven’t seen one for years as they all seem to be the small ones these days) in N Wales yesterday and it was 2/3rds stocked at best. No fresh stuff, no bog roll, no crisps, no lots of things really. |
My twenty one miles away supermarket is a large (ish) Co-op. There is an even bigger one in Stornoway, which actually is the Outer Hebrides. This running out of crisps and such like is a weird one, isn't it? There actually are plenty of fresh fruit, vegetables, bread and milk in our shops but crap food - gone in a shot.
Anyway, I have three dark chocolate Co-op choc ices left in freezer and I think I shall move them to the safe for added security... | |
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| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 11:01 - Jul 24 with 737 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Are supermarkets really running out of food? on 09:12 - Jul 24 by WeWereZombies |
Yeah but I live in the Inner Hebrides...anyway, no one has bettered twenty one miles yet, not even Ryorry, bunch of lightweights. But I think I'll move to somewhere fifty miles from a supermarket just to make sure that I win the thread. |
21 miles? Pah!
I live over 500 miles from your nearest supermarket.
Lightweight indeed... the cheek. | |
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