| How loyal would you be to the club? 23:25 - Sep 5 with 4885 views | Bluedicea |
Just a thought exercise as I'm a curious person, to get a feeling for folks.
You're an ITFC fan, who has played for the club since a youngster, approaching 26/27 years old, one of the big 6 clubs offer you a massive contract on the back of this years promotion success, where does your career go as a fictional player, based on the reality of yourself as a person.
Do you take the money? Do you stay at ITFC to become the club legend? Does passing up the opportunity end up unsettling you and you flop here? Does accepting the offer cause you to lose the passion that gave you that extra edge? Do you go on to become a star for them? Or do you stick out the years to lift the PL and CL trophy for Ipswich?
Loyalty is key for me, I'd stay with project Ipswich and try to get them up. The offer would unsettle me for a season or two, especially as we struggle with some dodgy results. Eventually though, I'd remember my blood runs blue and kick on driving the team forward, and hopefully become a legend because of my solid but not always pretty defensive record, a workhorse for the team without any flashy bells and whistles. After finally lifting the PL trophy, we miss out on the CL trophy because of my defensive error(legs going), age taking the toll on my body and letting snails speed past me, I retire at the end of that season at 34. Happy that I stayed Blue to the core. |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 10:30 - Sep 6 with 1139 views | Keno |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 10:28 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Indeed and reading that justifies why players should look out for themselves.
In an ideal world every club would have local players for the duration of their careers, but that ship sailed a long time ago, Rooney bled Blue but that didn't stop him going to Utd, Jack Grealish was a true Villian but he jumped, the only player I can think of in the past 40 years who has stayed loyal was Matt Le Tissier, but that's because he was a lazy fecker and probably couldn't be bothered to move.
Still think it might have been wise to have kept Chambers for an additional year, just to help the youngsters, and also some of the goals we have conceded wouldn't have happened with him in the box. Some might say I'm looking through rose tinted specs, and I get that the club wanted a reset, but an additional year wouldn't have cost the earth, and he would have been a great help to all the new players looking to settle in the area.
Hey ho. |
always if you look at someone like Dyer his move helped 'his club' no end
so maybe the loyal thing was to move on |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 10:40 - Sep 6 with 1128 views | itfcjoe |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 10:30 - Sep 6 by Keno |
always if you look at someone like Dyer his move helped 'his club' no end
so maybe the loyal thing was to move on |
Whilst it did help, and I'm sure he was happy with that, he was a player who had to move on at that time and did - the rest happening is just a happy by-product.
Richard Wright stayed for another year, but had a clause put in his deal and that transfer caused us to collectively sh*t the bed!!
Wright was 'more loyal' than Dyer, but the things that happened after meant Dyer looked back on more fondly |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 10:50 - Sep 6 with 1116 views | itfcjoe |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 10:28 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Indeed and reading that justifies why players should look out for themselves.
In an ideal world every club would have local players for the duration of their careers, but that ship sailed a long time ago, Rooney bled Blue but that didn't stop him going to Utd, Jack Grealish was a true Villian but he jumped, the only player I can think of in the past 40 years who has stayed loyal was Matt Le Tissier, but that's because he was a lazy fecker and probably couldn't be bothered to move.
Still think it might have been wise to have kept Chambers for an additional year, just to help the youngsters, and also some of the goals we have conceded wouldn't have happened with him in the box. Some might say I'm looking through rose tinted specs, and I get that the club wanted a reset, but an additional year wouldn't have cost the earth, and he would have been a great help to all the new players looking to settle in the area.
Hey ho. |
Players show loyalty like Zaha, putting aside fact he left, but that is because he has signed a bumper contract that he can't get out of now (see also Harry Kane) and has just to be at peace with fact no-one can afford him in terms of his age and deal he is on.
Jack Grealish signed the bumper contract, but with £100m release clause in it. Messi had a release clause in his last season but Barca got their lawyers to prove it was past the date he could exercise it due to the covid delayed season - after all he'd done for them.
Frank Lampard had the great career at Chelsea, and ends up playing for Man City and scoring against them...! | |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:17 - Sep 6 with 1063 views | Illinoisblue |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 10:22 - Sep 6 by itfcjoe |
It's an impossible question to answer because very few people understand how ruthless the industry is, and at what age this begins.
Those who are accused of lacking loyalty have seen their best mates released as a 10 year old because they got injured....
.....they've seen the star man at 16 turn down moves to PL clubs, to subsequently not get a look in because some new shiny toy has been recruited from abroad and is given way more opportunities because he had to be given a 4 year contract to move from abroad.....
.....they've seen loan moves be forced through because people in the top positions have political games to play against each other.....
.....they've played a season with a broken bone in their back because the club are too tight to pay for a scan, and only do so when a first teamer requests it for them when they see them crying after training as they are in so much pain.....
.....they've been forced out by managers who want to make a mark on the club.....
.....they've been sent out on loan because they can't handle the abuse being received from first team coaching staff and their mental health has fallen through the floor.....
.....they've been promised moves and life changing amounts of money because the club have moved goalposts on transfers....
You don't have to be a genius to know which club this is all happening at, and I don't think for a second ITFC are any different to any other club in this respect - but clubs are loyal to players when they are of use to them, and as soon as they aren't they are just ignored and put on the scrapheap.....and this happens before they have hit puberty.
Luke Chambers isn't everyone's cup of tea, but he has worn the Ipswich shirt more than 99.9% of our players ever and he was released, after having a contract offer withdrawn with no explanation via a 45 second conversation after 9 years. Teddy Bishop gave 17 years from the age of 8 and got the same.
Mick Mills, yes, our all time appearance record holder, who captained us to our greatest days, was forced out of the club when he still had 2 years of 1st Division football left in him.
The only loyalty in football is from the fans to the club, it doesn't exist anywhere else in the game. Players don't lack loyalty, they just know what the game is. |
Who was the player with a broken bone in their back? |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:21 - Sep 6 with 1061 views | hype313 |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:17 - Sep 6 by Illinoisblue |
Who was the player with a broken bone in their back? |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:38 - Sep 6 with 1045 views | MerseyBlue |
I've thought about this pretty much any time the transfer window throws up this kind of dilemma. As others say, it's easy to say you'd stick with your club because the scenario is such an impossible fantasy for the majority of people. That being said, the money argument doesn't hold up for me.
Yeah it's a short career, but the money players earn is disgusting. I'm not driven by money in my own life, I like to think that I would be the same if I was earning 20k a week and someone offered me double. If I didn't double my wage, I'd still be able to afford a very high standard of living. Money really isn't everything to everyone.
Ambition wise, I think it's a harder decision. There are examples of ambition being rewarded and punished. My personal take would be that if I was enjoying my football, playing well consistently, feeling a closeness with the support, then it would be foolish to rip that all up for a move to a bigger club. I'd rather be a hero for my club, than a marginal figure for a powerhouse.
All of this irrelevant though. If I had an agent who was in the same mold as 90% of the other agents, I'd be going wherever they stood to make the most profit. |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:44 - Sep 6 with 1039 views | Illinoisblue |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:21 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
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Of course. He looked so promising when he came into the first team initially. Love to know more about why “the club” wouldn’t get him a scan for his injury. And when we say “the club” who do we mean? Lambert? The physio? Or did it go all the way to Evans who simply didn’t want to pay for it? | |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:48 - Sep 6 with 1028 views | itfcjoe |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:21 - Sep 6 by hype313 |
Lankaster |
It wasn't JL, he was a first teamer so would have been looked after better - there was a case more recently as well with Ross Marshall where he effectively played a season with a broken bone in his foot. I'm sure Phil wouldn't want me to such much more on matters, and hopefully purse strings been loosened under new ownership to allow a duty of care that focuses on the injuries rather than status of those with them | |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 13:23 - Sep 6 with 993 views | Keaneish |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 23:47 - Sep 5 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
In our hearts I think we would like to all think that we would be loyal, and have a fairytale with the club we love.
But, lets be realistic. Say I am on 20k a week at Ipswich.. and another club offers me 40k a week. That is double my money, I am off. And I think most people regardless of what they may say, are off as well. Football is a short career, and its a job. Take the bigger contract. |
Not for me. Football has never been about money no matter what level. It's sad that society dictates success by financial reward; becoming a club legend far outweighs financial gain. At semi-pro level it was a constant conversation in the changing room - i can £30 more a game or £100 more a game with them etc.
There should be more Bobby Moores and less Nicolas Anelkas. |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 14:52 - Sep 6 with 953 views | Bluefields |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 23:47 - Sep 5 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
In our hearts I think we would like to all think that we would be loyal, and have a fairytale with the club we love.
But, lets be realistic. Say I am on 20k a week at Ipswich.. and another club offers me 40k a week. That is double my money, I am off. And I think most people regardless of what they may say, are off as well. Football is a short career, and its a job. Take the bigger contract. |
Money will always talk but I think playing Champions League is a bigger draw these days. Pro's will always want to play at the highest possible level. |  | | |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 14:55 - Sep 6 with 950 views | MattinLondon |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 13:23 - Sep 6 by Keaneish |
Not for me. Football has never been about money no matter what level. It's sad that society dictates success by financial reward; becoming a club legend far outweighs financial gain. At semi-pro level it was a constant conversation in the changing room - i can £30 more a game or £100 more a game with them etc.
There should be more Bobby Moores and less Nicolas Anelkas. |
If Bobby Moore was alive now, with much much greater reward, how do you know he wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to earn more outside of London or England?
Such idealism is all well-and-good but it won’t pay bills etc etc. I’m not having a go at you but a lot of people who hold the money doesn’t matter sentiment are the one who tend to be happy with their lot or financially comfortable.
Nothing wrong with wanting more or actually the chance to win cups. |  | | |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:07 - Sep 6 with 936 views | itfcjoe |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 14:55 - Sep 6 by MattinLondon |
If Bobby Moore was alive now, with much much greater reward, how do you know he wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to earn more outside of London or England?
Such idealism is all well-and-good but it won’t pay bills etc etc. I’m not having a go at you but a lot of people who hold the money doesn’t matter sentiment are the one who tend to be happy with their lot or financially comfortable.
Nothing wrong with wanting more or actually the chance to win cups. |
Yep, I don't think it's really comparable to stay at Ipswich Wanderers rather than move to Stowmarket Town for an extra £20 a week, opposed to going from a mid tier PL club at £100k a week to a Champions League competitor and test yourself at the highest level and try and win things | |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:26 - Sep 6 with 911 views | jaykay |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 23:47 - Sep 5 by TRUE_BLUE123 |
In our hearts I think we would like to all think that we would be loyal, and have a fairytale with the club we love.
But, lets be realistic. Say I am on 20k a week at Ipswich.. and another club offers me 40k a week. That is double my money, I am off. And I think most people regardless of what they may say, are off as well. Football is a short career, and its a job. Take the bigger contract. |
that is why we will never reach the heights of the robson era.
if we had beattie , mariner etc we couldn't compete on wages what man. c man.u etc would offer them to leave. |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:35 - Sep 6 with 901 views | MattinLondon |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:26 - Sep 6 by jaykay |
that is why we will never reach the heights of the robson era.
if we had beattie , mariner etc we couldn't compete on wages what man. c man.u etc would offer them to leave. |
Back then, surly your Liverpools and Man U could still offer players far higher wages than what they were on here? Ipswich were able to offer European football and challenge for the league etc which must have been a lure to remain here?
Did our main players back then turn down big moves to the bigger clubs both in England and aboard? | | | |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:38 - Sep 6 with 895 views | itfcjoe |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:35 - Sep 6 by MattinLondon |
Back then, surly your Liverpools and Man U could still offer players far higher wages than what they were on here? Ipswich were able to offer European football and challenge for the league etc which must have been a lure to remain here?
Did our main players back then turn down big moves to the bigger clubs both in England and aboard? |
We could compete wages wise - John Wark took a paycut to move to Liverpool when he went there.
And the differences were small even if they had more money - an extra few hundred quid a week at most, plus clubs held on to registrations and could refuse to sell forever, even when contracts expired so very little player power | |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:58 - Sep 6 with 881 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 12:17 - Sep 6 by Illinoisblue |
Who was the player with a broken bone in their back? |
Who's the shiny toy from abroad as well? |  | | |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 16:20 - Sep 6 with 870 views | itfcjoe |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:58 - Sep 6 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Who's the shiny toy from abroad as well? |
Players that you never hear off because they get nowhere - specifically in this case it was Victor Gulbrandsen and Gunnar Thorsteinsson.
Players that were never good enough that started every week despite how rubbish they are playing as they are on longer deals | |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 16:23 - Sep 6 with 859 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 16:20 - Sep 6 by itfcjoe |
Players that you never hear off because they get nowhere - specifically in this case it was Victor Gulbrandsen and Gunnar Thorsteinsson.
Players that were never good enough that started every week despite how rubbish they are playing as they are on longer deals |
Never heard of either! Presumably the youth team? | | | |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 16:25 - Sep 6 with 853 views | itfcjoe |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 16:23 - Sep 6 by abracaDOBRA_ |
Never heard of either! Presumably the youth team? |
Sorry - yeah was talking the youth team with the majority of those points - to attract the boys from abroad they have to tag a pro contract onto scholarships - because they have longer deals they get more opportunities - ergo the local boys are the ones who get less chances, the ones who have given up 3-4 days a week for 7 years before they even go full time at 16!
The system is what it is, but once you've seen how the system treats people you can't question players loyalties - it's just a ruthless dog eat dog world in the game | |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 16:28 - Sep 6 with 840 views | abracaDOBRA_ |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 16:25 - Sep 6 by itfcjoe |
Sorry - yeah was talking the youth team with the majority of those points - to attract the boys from abroad they have to tag a pro contract onto scholarships - because they have longer deals they get more opportunities - ergo the local boys are the ones who get less chances, the ones who have given up 3-4 days a week for 7 years before they even go full time at 16!
The system is what it is, but once you've seen how the system treats people you can't question players loyalties - it's just a ruthless dog eat dog world in the game |
Oh yep I get you. If anyone's seen Jack Grealish tweet in reply to a journalists article, it sums it up. Think he said something like 'no one understands what goes on in real football', something villa fans are having trouble understanding! | | | |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 16:48 - Sep 6 with 801 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 13:23 - Sep 6 by Keaneish |
Not for me. Football has never been about money no matter what level. It's sad that society dictates success by financial reward; becoming a club legend far outweighs financial gain. At semi-pro level it was a constant conversation in the changing room - i can £30 more a game or £100 more a game with them etc.
There should be more Bobby Moores and less Nicolas Anelkas. |
I’m talking about the specific case that the OP is referring to. Assuming a huge club does come in for you and says I will double your wage and you are on 10k a week say.... it would be foolish not to go imo ?
In an ideal world I agree with you, there should be more Bobby Moore’s. But not taking double the money in my eyes would be lunacy. |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 17:29 - Sep 6 with 787 views | Keaneish |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 14:55 - Sep 6 by MattinLondon |
If Bobby Moore was alive now, with much much greater reward, how do you know he wouldn’t have jumped at the chance to earn more outside of London or England?
Such idealism is all well-and-good but it won’t pay bills etc etc. I’m not having a go at you but a lot of people who hold the money doesn’t matter sentiment are the one who tend to be happy with their lot or financially comfortable.
Nothing wrong with wanting more or actually the chance to win cups. |
If you’re at the club you love and getting paid well enough, what more do you need? It’s sad that it’s perceived as idealism when it used to be the pinnacle. The idea is to try and win titles and silverware with them, not jump ship to a possible rival because they can give you that. Football’s core is corrupt and hollow now. Personally i think the idea of being able to jump ship at will from one club to another because a billionaire with no relationship with the club who owns it as a vanity project is grotesque. Big players move between bitter rivals at will now and get enhanced benefits for doing so.
From the age of 7 all I ever wanted to do was play for Ipswich. If I’d achieved that, I wouldn’t give it up for any sum of money. Dreams shouldn’t be for sale or be bought in my view. [Post edited 6 Sep 2021 18:18]
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 17:34 - Sep 6 with 782 views | BiGDonnie |
I'm taking the move and more money and shhhhhhh'ing the SBR lower when I came back to score in the cup! |  |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 17:51 - Sep 6 with 771 views | jaykay |
| How loyal would you be to the club? on 15:35 - Sep 6 by MattinLondon |
Back then, surly your Liverpools and Man U could still offer players far higher wages than what they were on here? Ipswich were able to offer European football and challenge for the league etc which must have been a lure to remain here?
Did our main players back then turn down big moves to the bigger clubs both in England and aboard? |
the wages were not that much different. not 3 times or more like they are now. also as wages weren't much different we had time to build a side. players left as they got older for a big signing on fee at near the ending of their playing careers. i can only think of only two who left in their prime and won more medals. that was talbot and warky | |
| forensic experts say footers and spruces fingerprints were not found at the scene after the weekends rows |
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| How loyal would you be to the club? on 17:53 - Sep 6 with 771 views | Bluedicea |
Some interesting comments and well thought responses.
It's nice to see a few, say they'd stay. But it was also heartening to see it said that they would go but only if Ipswich benefited too.
With regards to football clubs being loyal to players. I think a lot of you are forgetting the amount of trainers/coaches that are given help and the opportunity by the clubs they played for, some clubs pay for all the costs of coaching badges an ex player will get. How many ex players are given ambassadorial roles in the club, and often they are more likely to get a certain because of their time spent playing for that club. So the clubs do show some loyalty too. | |
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