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You are assuming the guy that posted knew it was fake. If he didn't, and now does, he'd be sensible to remove it - or make an edit to say "It appears this video make be faked, my mistake"
If he did know it's fake, then that is clearly a whole new level - spreading misinformation.
Only he knows what he did / didn't know.
*(Assuming it is indeed fake - given he's gone quiet - I'll assume you are right on that particular video)
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 08:59 - Sep 25 by bluelagos
If it's fake - then no, clearly not.
You are assuming the guy that posted knew it was fake. If he didn't, and now does, he'd be sensible to remove it - or make an edit to say "It appears this video make be faked, my mistake"
If he did know it's fake, then that is clearly a whole new level - spreading misinformation.
Only he knows what he did / didn't know.
*(Assuming it is indeed fake - given he's gone quiet - I'll assume you are right on that particular video)
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 09:09 - Sep 25 with 867 views
Either way, it seems we are agreed some of the policing has been excessive and the protesters are clearly misinformed.
But interestingly the poster (Who is appears has anti-vacc sympathies - I challenged him on that you'll recall) among others is tieing in the two narratives - namely that the state (police) are being violent to force you to take vaccines.
So wouldn't it be a whole lot better if the police weren't violent and the state adopted an educational rather than confrontational approach? Our approach (UK) has largely been exactly that (despite the rantings of a few who wanted the army on the streets) in the UK and we now have one of the highest vaccine uptakes in the world.
How you deal with anti-vaccers is open to debate, but I'd suggest violence is completely counter productive and makes their arguments more appealing to people who otherwise would be persuadable to getting jabbed (which we both want)
Do you have any evidence that the video is a few years old? The officer is wearing a mask so it seems a little unlikely, perhaps you could explain further?
If it is an old video then of course I will acknowledge that but to be honest it really doesn't change the overall picture as there is plenty of evidence in this thread and beyond of similar goings on which you seem determined to downplay.
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 09:11 - Sep 25 by Lightworker
Do you have any evidence that the video is a few years old? The officer is wearing a mask so it seems a little unlikely, perhaps you could explain further?
If it is an old video then of course I will acknowledge that but to be honest it really doesn't change the overall picture as there is plenty of evidence in this thread and beyond of similar goings on which you seem determined to downplay.
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 09:09 - Sep 25 by bluelagos
Either way, it seems we are agreed some of the policing has been excessive and the protesters are clearly misinformed.
But interestingly the poster (Who is appears has anti-vacc sympathies - I challenged him on that you'll recall) among others is tieing in the two narratives - namely that the state (police) are being violent to force you to take vaccines.
So wouldn't it be a whole lot better if the police weren't violent and the state adopted an educational rather than confrontational approach? Our approach (UK) has largely been exactly that (despite the rantings of a few who wanted the army on the streets) in the UK and we now have one of the highest vaccine uptakes in the world.
How you deal with anti-vaccers is open to debate, but I'd suggest violence is completely counter productive and makes their arguments more appealing to people who otherwise would be persuadable to getting jabbed (which we both want)
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 09:18 - Sep 25 with 846 views
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 08:59 - Sep 25 by bluelagos
If it's fake - then no, clearly not.
You are assuming the guy that posted knew it was fake. If he didn't, and now does, he'd be sensible to remove it - or make an edit to say "It appears this video make be faked, my mistake"
If he did know it's fake, then that is clearly a whole new level - spreading misinformation.
Only he knows what he did / didn't know.
*(Assuming it is indeed fake - given he's gone quiet - I'll assume you are right on that particular video)
You assume incorrectly. I have no knowledge of the clip being fake and have asked VWH to show some evidence that it is. It seems a little odd that the Police officer is wearing a mask 'a few years ago' though don't you think?
And also to clarify, I will never knowingly spread any misinformation on this site or any other for that matter. I am only interested in the truth and highlighting what I believe are injustices, I don't identify as either right or left wing and don't have any agenda's.
Edit - I will come back to one of your earlier points, just a bit busy at the mo.
So you don't have any evidence at this point to back up your claim then. Seeing as you seem to suggest I have an agenda that is rather ironic.
Should you be able to back up your claim with some proof I will be more than willing to edit the post to reflect that , no problem. Enjoy your train journey.
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:05 - Sep 25 with 808 views
He doesn't have to do any research. I can confirm that this took place during the first Melbourne lockdown last year and went viral here. I'm not sure, but even think it made mainstream news.
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 09:24 - Sep 25 by Lightworker
So you don't have any evidence at this point to back up your claim then. Seeing as you seem to suggest I have an agenda that is rather ironic.
Should you be able to back up your claim with some proof I will be more than willing to edit the post to reflect that , no problem. Enjoy your train journey.
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:05 - Sep 25 by urbanblue
He doesn't have to do any research. I can confirm that this took place during the first Melbourne lockdown last year and went viral here. I'm not sure, but even think it made mainstream news.
To call it Russian propaganda is laughable ...
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:19 - Sep 25 with 783 views
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 09:11 - Sep 25 by Lightworker
Do you have any evidence that the video is a few years old? The officer is wearing a mask so it seems a little unlikely, perhaps you could explain further?
If it is an old video then of course I will acknowledge that but to be honest it really doesn't change the overall picture as there is plenty of evidence in this thread and beyond of similar goings on which you seem determined to downplay.
Well this one is definitely from a few days ago, and definitely not Russian propaganda ... awful stuff and I just cannot understand how it can be defended ...
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:19 - Sep 25 by urbanblue
Well this one is definitely from a few days ago, and definitely not Russian propaganda ... awful stuff and I just cannot understand how it can be defended ...
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:28 - Sep 25 with 765 views
I have no idea of who he is. I just see his clips from the streets that shows us stuff the the mainstream news doesn't.
As I said the other day, the mainstream said the streets were quiet the other day and only just stopped short of showing the police escorting little old ladies across the road. His film showed differently. Would you have me ignore his film clips because he has a history?
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:28 - Sep 25 by urbanblue
I have no idea of who he is. I just see his clips from the streets that shows us stuff the the mainstream news doesn't.
As I said the other day, the mainstream said the streets were quiet the other day and only just stopped short of showing the police escorting little old ladies across the road. His film showed differently. Would you have me ignore his film clips because he has a history?
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:32 - Sep 25 with 753 views
There are no 'reasonable grounds' for the thuggery on display in that video clip or any of the others and no context that will excuse it. It is wrong, pure and simple.
I think you have displayed quite clearly in this thread where your moral compass lies, as well as which one of us has the agenda and is twisting their argument to suit it. I will leave it here I think, people can make their own minds up.
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:34 - Sep 25 by Lightworker
Did you miss your train?
There are no 'reasonable grounds' for the thuggery on display in that video clip or any of the others and no context that will excuse it. It is wrong, pure and simple.
I think you have displayed quite clearly in this thread where your moral compass lies, as well as which one of us has the agenda and is twisting their argument to suit it. I will leave it here I think, people can make their own minds up.
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 10:44 - Sep 25 with 726 views
With all due respect you have made some massive leaps to reach those conclusions. However, I guess we should leave it there. I have my daughters tea to prepare and then I want to get ready to watch the game.
Have a great day and let's hope we get a win later eh.
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 01:34 - Sep 26 with 655 views
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 21:37 - Sep 24 by bluelagos
"Are you aware that in August 2021 in the UK we had significantly more cases and deaths from covid than we did in 2020 when nobody was vaccinated? Don't believe me? Check out the official Government data, its all there. How do we explain this if the vaccines are preventing transmission?"
It's explained by the fact that we locked down from March to June 2020 and the rates were very low when we came out of that lockdown. The virus then had a very much lower base to spread than it did in the summer of 2021. by Aug 21 we have been out of lockdown far longer in 2021 and came out with rates much higher in 2021 than in 2020.
Your suggestion that the vaccine doesn't suppress the virus (both in transmission and in deaths) doesn't stand up to challenge.
btw - I agree absolutely with your opening paragraph. I am no fan of mandating vaccines and think we should concentrate on educating people rather than coercing them, which I think often feeds the anti-vax narratives.
'Your suggestion that the vaccine doesn't suppress the virus (both in transmission and in deaths) doesn't stand up to challenge'
It certainly does. It has been widely acknowledged that the vaccines have limited effect in preventing transmission, even the Government's own public messaging says things along the line of 'follow the rules because even if you are vaccinated you can still catch the virus, and still pass it on'.
We have also seen anecdotally on here numerous accounts of people who are double jabbed who have caught covid and had symptoms, I know of an older couple who both ended up in ICU. If they have symptoms it stands to reason that they are also going to also be infectious. It is also very likely ( although not provable ) that one of them passed it on to the other.
The exact figures for August in the last two years are :
August 2020 - 31,490 cases, 296 deaths - 0 vaccinated August 2021 - 966,723 cases, 2784 deaths - 43 million double vaccinated
Even allowing for an increase in testing this year that is quite some jump on both counts and poses some valid questions. I do take your point regarding the spring 2020 lockdown but I am not convinced that alone can account for such a big difference in the numbers. If you are saying that is the sole reason then perhaps you can show in some detail exactly how that is the case, seeing as you've made the claim?
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Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 08:05 - Sep 26 with 577 views
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 07:38 - Sep 26 by Lightworker
'Your suggestion that the vaccine doesn't suppress the virus (both in transmission and in deaths) doesn't stand up to challenge'
It certainly does. It has been widely acknowledged that the vaccines have limited effect in preventing transmission, even the Government's own public messaging says things along the line of 'follow the rules because even if you are vaccinated you can still catch the virus, and still pass it on'.
We have also seen anecdotally on here numerous accounts of people who are double jabbed who have caught covid and had symptoms, I know of an older couple who both ended up in ICU. If they have symptoms it stands to reason that they are also going to also be infectious. It is also very likely ( although not provable ) that one of them passed it on to the other.
The exact figures for August in the last two years are :
August 2020 - 31,490 cases, 296 deaths - 0 vaccinated August 2021 - 966,723 cases, 2784 deaths - 43 million double vaccinated
Even allowing for an increase in testing this year that is quite some jump on both counts and poses some valid questions. I do take your point regarding the spring 2020 lockdown but I am not convinced that alone can account for such a big difference in the numbers. If you are saying that is the sole reason then perhaps you can show in some detail exactly how that is the case, seeing as you've made the claim?
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No. I made a NYE resolution not to engage with idiots. If you think vaccines are not effective then I suggest you look elsewhere for someone to give you that debate. I'll not be wasting my time on such a discussion beyond the points I have already made.
If you got out and protest, I hope the police dont engage in any violent acts towards you, rather that they enforce the law in a fair and non violent manner that we all deserve.
Meanwhile, in Australia ... update on 08:05 - Sep 26 by bluelagos
No. I made a NYE resolution not to engage with idiots. If you think vaccines are not effective then I suggest you look elsewhere for someone to give you that debate. I'll not be wasting my time on such a discussion beyond the points I have already made.
If you got out and protest, I hope the police dont engage in any violent acts towards you, rather that they enforce the law in a fair and non violent manner that we all deserve.
What a strange overly emotional response. It always shows you've lost the debate when you have to resort to name calling.
I have already made it quite clear that I have had the vaccine myself and that I think they are a good thing ( well for the older and vulnerable at least ), but that doesn't mean I can't ask questions where they seem to be valid.
If you, like many others want to adopt a religious like position on vaccines where they can never be questioned in any way, then that is your choice, but please don't ever claim to be 'following the science' because proper science is always asking questions.
I also have no plans to go to any protests, but appreciate your angle on that particular debate.
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