| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me 21:37 - Oct 30 with 3590 views | NeedhamChris |
We're 1/3 of the way through the season and 60% of our wins have come against teams in the relegation zone, with 'statement' wins against the 12th and 13th place sides.
We seem to win when the individual sum of our parts is enough to put a poor side away, but when we need some tactical nous or a Plan B we've got nothing. We're still faring worse than we were under Lambert. That's on Cook and the coaching staff.
For those of you who are still sold on the journey - what are you seeing that I'm not? This season is just drifting away into nothingness. |  |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:50 - Oct 30 with 882 views | Strimmer |
What I’m seeing is progression in a factual, ppg manner, and a team banging in goals. There’s more there to keep and stick with than risk the upheaval of a manager change. I wish it weren’t as it is, of course, and taken as a whole, yes his tenure had been a failure so far.
But football isn’t as simple as input equates output with immediate effect. Sometimes it takes time and that’s just life, so many factors unseen and unknown.
Personally I think the think the true cost of a ‘cook out’ ie total upheaval mid project is not being fairly weighed against the current good points and general upward trajectory, by many commentators on here. | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:51 - Oct 30 with 872 views | MaySixth |
These threads are great.
Highlights who I can put on ignore. |  |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:54 - Oct 30 with 847 views | BlueBadger |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:51 - Oct 30 by MaySixth |
These threads are great.
Highlights who I can put on ignore. |
Everyone who was happy that we beat Portsmouth? |  |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:57 - Oct 30 with 832 views | NeedhamChris |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:51 - Oct 30 by MaySixth |
These threads are great.
Highlights who I can put on ignore. |
Then just stay away - you're the only one on this thread who hasn't offered any meaningful contribution.
If you think I'm wrong, great! Why? | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:59 - Oct 30 with 818 views | BlueBadger |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:36 - Oct 30 by Garv |
You can not like the manager, you can think we're not doing as well as we should be. But you can't think a season is drifting into nothingness in October, especially for a team that hasn't failed to score in any game this league season and regularly scores two a game. |
Sure you can, we're already essentially out of the race for automatic promotion and we're seven points adrift of the playoffs. It's simply not been good enough. | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:03 - Oct 30 with 787 views | Burns7 |
Finally some reality seeping through the clouds! |  | | |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:09 - Oct 30 with 768 views | Strimmer |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:59 - Oct 30 by BlueBadger |
Sure you can, we're already essentially out of the race for automatic promotion and we're seven points adrift of the playoffs. It's simply not been good enough. |
It’s not been good enough no. But humour me here:
Is the desire to sack cook a matter of principle? Is that the whole rationale for wanting him out? Because that sounds a lot like a punishment sacking to me.
Can you honestly tell me that a manager change now or soon would benefit the club and it’s prospects? You can’t guarantee that of course, not a fair question. So: does it justify the inherent risk?
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:17 - Oct 30 with 748 views | gtsb1966 |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:09 - Oct 30 by Strimmer |
It’s not been good enough no. But humour me here:
Is the desire to sack cook a matter of principle? Is that the whole rationale for wanting him out? Because that sounds a lot like a punishment sacking to me.
Can you honestly tell me that a manager change now or soon would benefit the club and it’s prospects? You can’t guarantee that of course, not a fair question. So: does it justify the inherent risk?
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Cook's biggest mistake and it is entirely his mistake was his hiring of his coaching staff. Cook has been given everything he wants and is failing to deliver and I do believe his coaching staff mistakes are the biggest reason. As for your question about changing the manager, who knows.....unless you do it. |  | | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:19 - Oct 30 with 739 views | BlueBadger |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:09 - Oct 30 by Strimmer |
It’s not been good enough no. But humour me here:
Is the desire to sack cook a matter of principle? Is that the whole rationale for wanting him out? Because that sounds a lot like a punishment sacking to me.
Can you honestly tell me that a manager change now or soon would benefit the club and it’s prospects? You can’t guarantee that of course, not a fair question. So: does it justify the inherent risk?
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We've seen what happens when failing managers stay on too long last season - you end up up with an entirely broken squad of players.
At this point, any halfway competent manager would probably have this squad of players much higher in the division, even accounting for 'gelling' time. | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:23 - Oct 30 with 728 views | BlueBadger |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:42 - Oct 30 by Garv |
'Remove the 4-0 and 6-0 games and this season has been absolutely pathetic.'
This could be one of the most ridiculous things I've seen on this forum. Bravo. |
To be fair, 5 wins from 15 from an allegedly Championship-capable squad of players is pretty piss poor WITH those results. | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:23 - Oct 30 with 729 views | Keaneish |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 22:59 - Oct 30 by BlueBadger |
Sure you can, we're already essentially out of the race for automatic promotion and we're seven points adrift of the playoffs. It's simply not been good enough. |
Out of the race? Hull won the league losing 11 matches and drawing 8 last season. How are we out of the race in November? |  |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:24 - Oct 30 with 723 views | gtsb1966 |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:19 - Oct 30 by BlueBadger |
We've seen what happens when failing managers stay on too long last season - you end up up with an entirely broken squad of players.
At this point, any halfway competent manager would probably have this squad of players much higher in the division, even accounting for 'gelling' time. |
The "gelling" time has gone. Must be because Cook doesn't mention it anymore. It's so frustrating now. | | | |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:27 - Oct 30 with 702 views | Strimmer |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:19 - Oct 30 by BlueBadger |
We've seen what happens when failing managers stay on too long last season - you end up up with an entirely broken squad of players.
At this point, any halfway competent manager would probably have this squad of players much higher in the division, even accounting for 'gelling' time. |
I’ll tell you who’s a halfway competent manager with promotions to prove it, Paul Cook. This is the fallacy at the heart of Cook out, the casual assumption that anyone else could wander in and do a better job. Sorry it’s pure nihilism for me.
This definitely isn’t ‘careful what you wish for’ either. I’m looking at a team getting better, slowly, but undeniably. I just can’t comprehend how ‘sack a proven manager and go for some guy tbc’ can be presented as the sensible option. How about you couch it in proper terms: ‘cooks not been great, I want to taken a massive risk and arrest development on an entire rebuild at the drop of a hat’ | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:28 - Oct 30 with 700 views | BlueBadger |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:23 - Oct 30 by Keaneish |
Out of the race? Hull won the league losing 11 matches and drawing 8 last season. How are we out of the race in November? |
We're 13 points behind the top two and don't appear to be any closer to ironing out the persistent errors and mental weakness in the side that sees us fold every time a side shows some backbone against us.
Playoffs is still more than doable, but failure to achieve promotion would be a massive failure. | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:41 - Oct 30 with 657 views | Keaneish |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:28 - Oct 30 by BlueBadger |
We're 13 points behind the top two and don't appear to be any closer to ironing out the persistent errors and mental weakness in the side that sees us fold every time a side shows some backbone against us.
Playoffs is still more than doable, but failure to achieve promotion would be a massive failure. |
That doesn’t answer the question though does it and what were those errors today that you reference? There’s tonnnes of chat on here from all the usual folk who emerge when we lose saying the same repetitive nonsense with little substance.
We’d lost 1 in 8 coming in to today but tonight it’s “all over”, “Cook must go (again)”, “defence is terrible”….zzzz
All of this comes from those not even at the game. It’s beyond ridiculous.
On to Adam’s Park. See you all there… | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:53 - Oct 30 with 635 views | BlueBadger |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:41 - Oct 30 by Keaneish |
That doesn’t answer the question though does it and what were those errors today that you reference? There’s tonnnes of chat on here from all the usual folk who emerge when we lose saying the same repetitive nonsense with little substance.
We’d lost 1 in 8 coming in to today but tonight it’s “all over”, “Cook must go (again)”, “defence is terrible”….zzzz
All of this comes from those not even at the game. It’s beyond ridiculous.
On to Adam’s Park. See you all there… |
The woeful marking and dithering from Penney for the first goal not enough for you? What about the runner missed by THREE defenders for the second?
I know you're deeply invested in the cult at this point, but those were two shockers.
Oh, and I'm currently typing this from my cousin in Tamerton Foliot's place. I've had a bit of luck with my off-duty and decided to make weekend of it. Probably going home via the 303 for a bit of a change. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 0:01]
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:59 - Oct 30 with 628 views | Funge |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:41 - Oct 30 by Keaneish |
That doesn’t answer the question though does it and what were those errors today that you reference? There’s tonnnes of chat on here from all the usual folk who emerge when we lose saying the same repetitive nonsense with little substance.
We’d lost 1 in 8 coming in to today but tonight it’s “all over”, “Cook must go (again)”, “defence is terrible”….zzzz
All of this comes from those not even at the game. It’s beyond ridiculous.
On to Adam’s Park. See you all there… |
Not all that difficult to watch online though.
It's a recurring theme - stupid defensive errors, and behind that the general underperformance, with a squad that anyone else in the league would love.
Celina/ Morsey/ Edwards/ Bonne/ Chaplin/ Aluko are all established at Champ level, or higher; Carroll too.
Pigott/ Evans/ Burns/ Fraser/ Burgess all excellent in this league last year; Edmundson looks very good too.
No doubt, injuries today kicked us hard in the teeth. Coulson should be at LB, Aluko ahead of him, with Donacien and Burns on the other side. We had none of that today, and it showed.
But Cook's rhetoric, alongside his actions from last season, mean that the weak start we've had leaves him next to no 'wriggle room'.
Some of my fellow Town fans view this as a long-term project, and are happy to spend however long it takes in Div 3 for it to come to fruition. It's oft-repeated on here - but we need to stop accepting mediocrity as the norm.
Every single manager since Royle has outstayed their welcome here (other than Hurst, who was mad, and also possibly an Estate Agent). None of them have come under any concerted scrutiny, or pressure, until it was far too late.
We're incredibly patient as a fanbase, more so that any other I can think of. I don't think it does us any favours at all. People say that the great Sir Bobby started slowly, therefore all subsequent managers deserve time and patience; that was 50 years ago, though; we might as well pine for Sir Stanley on the wing.
I don't care about Paul Cook, I care about this football club getting out of this crap league. We're nowhere near that at present, nor have we looked like it at any stage this season.
The Pompey & Donny results might give some water to the argument that we're flat track bullies; if we then look at the Wimbledon. Cambridge, Cheltenham and Morecambe games, we're not even that dominant.
Deep breath - absolutely some mitigating circumstances today, which we could forgive in isolation. Cook's problem is, though, he's made a rod for his back that doesn't really allow for a great deal of mitigation. |  | | |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 00:02 - Oct 31 with 622 views | gtsb1966 |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:59 - Oct 30 by Funge |
Not all that difficult to watch online though.
It's a recurring theme - stupid defensive errors, and behind that the general underperformance, with a squad that anyone else in the league would love.
Celina/ Morsey/ Edwards/ Bonne/ Chaplin/ Aluko are all established at Champ level, or higher; Carroll too.
Pigott/ Evans/ Burns/ Fraser/ Burgess all excellent in this league last year; Edmundson looks very good too.
No doubt, injuries today kicked us hard in the teeth. Coulson should be at LB, Aluko ahead of him, with Donacien and Burns on the other side. We had none of that today, and it showed.
But Cook's rhetoric, alongside his actions from last season, mean that the weak start we've had leaves him next to no 'wriggle room'.
Some of my fellow Town fans view this as a long-term project, and are happy to spend however long it takes in Div 3 for it to come to fruition. It's oft-repeated on here - but we need to stop accepting mediocrity as the norm.
Every single manager since Royle has outstayed their welcome here (other than Hurst, who was mad, and also possibly an Estate Agent). None of them have come under any concerted scrutiny, or pressure, until it was far too late.
We're incredibly patient as a fanbase, more so that any other I can think of. I don't think it does us any favours at all. People say that the great Sir Bobby started slowly, therefore all subsequent managers deserve time and patience; that was 50 years ago, though; we might as well pine for Sir Stanley on the wing.
I don't care about Paul Cook, I care about this football club getting out of this crap league. We're nowhere near that at present, nor have we looked like it at any stage this season.
The Pompey & Donny results might give some water to the argument that we're flat track bullies; if we then look at the Wimbledon. Cambridge, Cheltenham and Morecambe games, we're not even that dominant.
Deep breath - absolutely some mitigating circumstances today, which we could forgive in isolation. Cook's problem is, though, he's made a rod for his back that doesn't really allow for a great deal of mitigation. |
(other than Hurst, who was mad, and also possibly an Estate Agent)
Potd. | | | |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 00:10 - Oct 31 with 611 views | Strimmer |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 23:53 - Oct 30 by BlueBadger |
The woeful marking and dithering from Penney for the first goal not enough for you? What about the runner missed by THREE defenders for the second?
I know you're deeply invested in the cult at this point, but those were two shockers.
Oh, and I'm currently typing this from my cousin in Tamerton Foliot's place. I've had a bit of luck with my off-duty and decided to make weekend of it. Probably going home via the 303 for a bit of a change. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 0:01]
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“Invested in the cult”
Or
‘If youre supporting not sacking the manager you’re a cultist, irrational, removed from reality. If you want to sack him you’re sensible and facts driven’ apparently.
Take your position all you want but for the love of god stop making out it’s the level headed approach, because it isn’t! | |
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 00:13 - Oct 31 with 601 views | BlueBadger |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 00:10 - Oct 31 by Strimmer |
“Invested in the cult”
Or
‘If youre supporting not sacking the manager you’re a cultist, irrational, removed from reality. If you want to sack him you’re sensible and facts driven’ apparently.
Take your position all you want but for the love of god stop making out it’s the level headed approach, because it isn’t! |
Keanish will see literally no fault in Cookie. Or Lambo. | |
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| First game against a top six side? Burns and Donacien illness lost us two in… on 00:15 - Oct 31 with 600 views | unstableblue |
…. Form players without direct replacements travelling. And yet draw it seems would have fair.
What I’m seeing? Creating a lot of chances, beginning to show more energy and desire, and some good performances emerging
Am I convinced Cook is going to make it work consistently? No
Are we improving, yes
Is this league difficult, despite all those who denigrate it, definitely. |  |
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| First game against a top six side? Burns and Donacien illness lost us two in… on 09:58 - Oct 31 with 484 views | BlueBadger |
| First game against a top six side? Burns and Donacien illness lost us two in… on 00:15 - Oct 31 by unstableblue |
…. Form players without direct replacements travelling. And yet draw it seems would have fair.
What I’m seeing? Creating a lot of chances, beginning to show more energy and desire, and some good performances emerging
Am I convinced Cook is going to make it work consistently? No
Are we improving, yes
Is this league difficult, despite all those who denigrate it, definitely. |
It's not that bloody hard, Lambert managed to take us 14 games unbeaten with a bunch of sad sacks and wasters in it despite doing no work at all on team shape, coaching or motivation and picking names out of a hat every week. [Post edited 31 Oct 2021 9:59]
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| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 13:06 - Oct 31 with 443 views | istanblue |
Tbf going to Fratton Park and thumping Portsmouth 4-0 is a good win - regardless of how they're doing currently. However, I am also very much unconvinced by Cook and his gis a job coaching mates. I set a 12 point minimum target for October. Cook has only managed 10, so by that metric he has failed this month imo. Given the hard run of games we have coming up, I can genuinely see the owners making a change if we don't pick up a respectable amount of points this forthcoming month as we'd be even further away from the play-offs than we are now. |  | | |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 13:36 - Oct 31 with 413 views | carlisleaway |
When was the last time we beat a top 6 team over the past 3 years |  | | |
| We still haven't won a game against a decent side - still Cook Out for me on 20:39 - Oct 31 with 357 views | Millsey |
😂😂😂😂😂🤬 |  | | |
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