| Supporters vs Fans 23:49 - Dec 8 with 2708 views | hatch |
This isn’t a thread aimed at last night specifically but I often debate the use of these words in my head. This may be an unpopular opinion but are all fans supporters?
I’ve just seen another photo of our away crowd last night with comments like ‘unbelievable support on a Tuesday night’ etc. But the cynic in me says that the majority of the crowd were there because they wanted to have a good evening out and watch the team they’re a fan of.
Fans don’t always ‘support’ the team. I don’t think I go to watch Ipswich away to support the players and help them win, I go because I enjoy the experience (generally), I like travelling across the UK, I like watching my team play football (generally) and feeling part of something.
Maybe I’m splitting hairs but I just don’t know how much we should be praised for a bunch of fans going on one of their shortest away trips because London away games are easy (and many like the pubs). I know people have spent hard earned cash etc but they’re mostly doing that because they want the experience - it’s not because they want to offer an extra body in the crowd or voice in the chants? (That’s just an added bonus)
Packed out away end at Barrow - now that is support. Not Charlton away.
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| Supporters vs Fans on 08:51 - Dec 9 with 509 views | unbelievablue |
| Supporters vs Fans on 08:50 - Dec 9 by hatch |
Is someone that will only go to Charlton away this season with their mates on the train from
Ipswich, get on the beers, chant through the streets and on the train, chant for the first 20 minutes then shout abuse for the rest of the game and boo the players a supporter or just a fan of a boozed up trip with the boys where they can release some testosterone? |
Not sure they're mutually exclusive to be honest. |  |
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| Supporters vs Fans on 08:54 - Dec 9 with 498 views | Herbivore |
| Supporters vs Fans on 08:50 - Dec 9 by hatch |
Is someone that will only go to Charlton away this season with their mates on the train from
Ipswich, get on the beers, chant through the streets and on the train, chant for the first 20 minutes then shout abuse for the rest of the game and boo the players a supporter or just a fan of a boozed up trip with the boys where they can release some testosterone? |
I think they're just a massive tool. |  |
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| Supporters vs Fans on 08:57 - Dec 9 with 487 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Supporters vs Fans on 08:19 - Dec 9 by LRB84UK |
I literally had this conversation with a friend yesterday. I've had a season ticket for 30 odd years now, since I was 5. I go to football with my mum, mum's a legend. She has done over 1000 games in a row without missing a single game home or away. She's seen some massive highs and some pretty big lows.
We are supporters.
If 1 player is having a bad run do we boo them? Do we hurtle abuse? Do we victimise them? Simple answer is no.
We were at Charlton on Tuesday, we stayed till the final whistle and left, we did not join in or condone anything that happened. The players know they are struggling, they know they didn't play well enough, but after the end of the game why should they? If your customers at work hurtle abuse at you are you going to want to help them?
My son has just started coming to the football with me, we sit with mum at Portman Road. I'm trying to get him to enjoy it, to learn the songs and have a good afternoon. We have a group of 3 or 4 men that sit with us. Every other word is a swear word and the C word is a particular favourite. They moan about every player, every bad thing they pick up on. They shout and swear, he doesn't want to go anymore because of these men. I know they pay their money but they CHOOSE to go. I choose to go to spend time with my mum and support my team. These men are not supporters, I wouldn't even call them fans.
I know we can't win every game but Tuesday was 2 days after the sacking of a manager, there have been a number of players and cook who have recently lost their fathers, that is a huge thing in anyone's life.
I want my ipswich back as much as anyone else, I want to be flying high and have a promotion party. But I will not sulk and boo if we don't win a game. I will look for the positives and support my team |
Sorry but I totally disagree with that.
I go home and away too but Tuesday was a disgrace and I angrily about 88 minutes in shouted ‘put some f**king effort in you lazy c**ts’. Ok to some that’s gonna be seen as a huge thing but we pay our money and the only thing I expect is to see the players putting in some fight and run. That’s the bare minimum for me for the privilege of playing for our club. And Tuesday fell well short of that.
But your suggesting that I’m not a supporter for angrily giving a piece of my mind? I left 90 seconds before the end but you’re saying if I’d stayed and booed I’m not a supporter? Absolute nonsense. You’re no better than me. |  |
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| Supporters vs Fans on 09:08 - Dec 9 with 467 views | LRB84UK |
| Supporters vs Fans on 08:33 - Dec 9 by hatch |
Thanks for this, that’s genuine support there. Having said that, your mum’s reasons for going would be interesting to hear - I wonder if she feels like she’s an extra voice or extra man in the crowd that may help motivate a victory or whether she goes mainly through enjoyment. Very impressive either way.
As for the blokes around you - completely get that. Yesterday there was a bloke that was shouting a sentence ending in the c word every 3 minutes. Definition of meathead. I took my Dad for the first time in 5 years to an away game, we used to go across the country all the time growing up. He took a half day off, got to London early and waited around for me and then ended up leaving at half time (still didn’t get home to Suffolk until 11pm).
His reasons? Numerous, but mainly because he felt out of touch and uncomfortable with the ‘youthful’ and ‘moronic’ crowd around him. |
If you ask her why she goes to them all she'll say "ot gets me away from you father for the day!" Dad goes to all the home games and will do a few away games each season.
Her real reason for going? It's her social life I suppose, she also goes because she enjoys it. She'll be there at barrow and hopefully in a few years she'll be back at the premiership games each weekend. If it wasn't for her I wouldn't have my love of football which I'm ow hopefully passing on to my son.
She used to go back in the 70s and 80s, back when it used to be about 10 away fans and you traveled by train with the players!
As I said, she's a legend and I wish someone would interview her and write a book! Not that she'd go for it, the club tried to get her to be a guest of honour after game 1000 and she wouldnt go for it. She is just a lady who enjoys the football hoping for a miracle this season! |  | | |
| Supporters vs Fans on 09:33 - Dec 9 with 421 views | Churchman |
| Supporters vs Fans on 08:50 - Dec 9 by hatch |
Is someone that will only go to Charlton away this season with their mates on the train from
Ipswich, get on the beers, chant through the streets and on the train, chant for the first 20 minutes then shout abuse for the rest of the game and boo the players a supporter or just a fan of a boozed up trip with the boys where they can release some testosterone? |
If they harm the club’s reputation, ruin the enjoyment (if taking a pasting at Charlton can be called enjoyment) of others, be offensive, they are not supporters. They are selfish, ignorant, p1ssed up tools. |  | | |
| Supporters vs Fans on 09:38 - Dec 9 with 414 views | Alberto_the_frog |
I would put it the other way round and say I'm a supporter but not a fan. Fan is short for fanatic and I have never been fanatical in my support, in that I don't regularly travel hundreds of miles to support the team when I can spend that time with my family and listen to the "sort of" commentary. |  | | |
| Supporters vs Fans on 09:38 - Dec 9 with 414 views | DavoIPB |
| Supporters vs Fans on 08:31 - Dec 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't think "support" necessarily means cheering from the stands. If you put money into the club in any way, then you're supporting them financially.
So to me a fan is someone who likes something - I'm a fan of walks in the park - whereas a supporter contributes to the thing they like. |
This is literally the definition of supporting something. . . .
If you support something you contribute to it in a positive way. A fan can be non supporting. I.e. can have no positive input into the thing that they are a fan of.
Just to get technical you can support a football team by booing them. This can be seen as a positive thing if it encourages them to play better next time (that is debatable though) | | | |
| Supporters vs Fans on 13:01 - Dec 9 with 368 views | LRB84UK |
| Supporters vs Fans on 08:57 - Dec 9 by The_Romford_Blue |
Sorry but I totally disagree with that.
I go home and away too but Tuesday was a disgrace and I angrily about 88 minutes in shouted ‘put some f**king effort in you lazy c**ts’. Ok to some that’s gonna be seen as a huge thing but we pay our money and the only thing I expect is to see the players putting in some fight and run. That’s the bare minimum for me for the privilege of playing for our club. And Tuesday fell well short of that.
But your suggesting that I’m not a supporter for angrily giving a piece of my mind? I left 90 seconds before the end but you’re saying if I’d stayed and booed I’m not a supporter? Absolute nonsense. You’re no better than me. |
Never said I was better than anyone just that I haven't, and will not boo.
Someone shouting out a few things in frustration is a million miles away from the behaviour at the end of the game and what we listen to for a full 90 minutes.
I never claimed to be a Saint and not get frustrated, we can't sit through every minute of football and not get frustrated but I cannot see the point of slagging off the whole team from the starting whistle. A lot of what we have around is done to make others laugh but none of it is funny.
A lot of people at the football on Tuesday were so drunk they could hardly stand, and some of the comments made towards 1 of the Charlton players were disgusting, I hope they wouldn't have said those things sober. The group of men to my right were trying to get the men in front of me to fight them, they spent more time arguing at each other than watching the game. They were some of the 1st at the front at the end of the game. They are not supporters. If you were one of those then, no, you are not a supporter, you were a drunk looking to pick a fight with another drunk.
If you got frustrated and yelled a bit then yes, you're a supporter. | | | |
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