| England doing their usual… 06:28 - Dec 18 with 1692 views | Chrisd |
giving us all a bit of hope. Waiting for the inevitable collapse once Malan or Root get out. |  |
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| England doing their usual… on 10:28 - Dec 18 with 387 views | Bent_double |
| England doing their usual… on 10:24 - Dec 18 by Chrisd |
Pile on the runs and mentally break us not for just this test match, but the series. Give their bowlers a bit of a rest and time to freshen up before unleashing them in that third session tomorrow on our hapless batsmen is how I’m seeing it from Smith’s point of view. |
OK, I suppose. Just thought they would want to get England batting again under the lights and take 2 or 3 quick wickets, then wrap it all up by tomorrow lunch time with an innings and 100+ run victory. |  |
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| England doing their usual… on 10:33 - Dec 18 with 384 views | Guthrum |
| England doing their usual… on 10:21 - Dec 18 by Chrisd |
I agree Guthrrum, but look at the popularity of test cricket in this country, we’re sold out in most grounds, for most days and the ECB are quite prepared to let that drift away without a fight? It appears to me they are allowing it to happen too which is infuriating. The interest is very much there in this country for test cricket to be recognised as the pinnacle of the game. Perhaps the best thing that could happen is we lose 5-0 and get drummed doing it? Pretty much how it is panning out. Then the ECB might pull their fingers out, show it needs addressing and give it more priority. |
Problem is, Test cricket is popular in England, but for a lot of the nations (including the lower-ranked ones who don't get to play it) the shorter forms are the ones which get the crowds in. So the world authorities push them.
Which is why we get those apologetic two-match Test series so they can fit in a wadge of ODIs and T20s. |  |
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| England doing their usual… on 10:38 - Dec 18 with 362 views | Chrisd |
| England doing their usual… on 10:33 - Dec 18 by Guthrum |
Problem is, Test cricket is popular in England, but for a lot of the nations (including the lower-ranked ones who don't get to play it) the shorter forms are the ones which get the crowds in. So the world authorities push them.
Which is why we get those apologetic two-match Test series so they can fit in a wadge of ODIs and T20s. |
I find I’m agreeing with you again Guthrim, but for me it doesn’t sit comfortably and it doesn’t make it right where clearly the interest is there in this country. | |
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| England doing their usual… on 10:42 - Dec 18 with 350 views | Guthrum |
| England doing their usual… on 10:28 - Dec 18 by Bent_double |
OK, I suppose. Just thought they would want to get England batting again under the lights and take 2 or 3 quick wickets, then wrap it all up by tomorrow lunch time with an innings and 100+ run victory. |
But if England survived unscathed or only one down until the close of play (slim chance, I know), they would have decent conditions for two sessions tomorrow, which could see them with a lead. This way, they can push it swiftly out to an effectively ungettable score, still leaving far too long for us to bat out a draw. | |
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| England doing their usual… on 10:43 - Dec 18 with 349 views | Guthrum |
| England doing their usual… on 10:38 - Dec 18 by Chrisd |
I find I’m agreeing with you again Guthrim, but for me it doesn’t sit comfortably and it doesn’t make it right where clearly the interest is there in this country. |
I agree with you. Unfortunately, that's the environment at the moment. | |
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| England doing their usual… on 10:54 - Dec 18 with 338 views | pointofblue |
| England doing their usual… on 10:42 - Dec 18 by Guthrum |
But if England survived unscathed or only one down until the close of play (slim chance, I know), they would have decent conditions for two sessions tomorrow, which could see them with a lead. This way, they can push it swiftly out to an effectively ungettable score, still leaving far too long for us to bat out a draw. |
England batting well? That’d be a Christmas miracle. [Post edited 18 Dec 2021 10:54]
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| England doing their usual… on 13:59 - Dec 18 with 246 views | stonojnr |
| England doing their usual… on 08:42 - Dec 18 by Funge |
The whole situation is pitiful, and, worse yet, the suspicion we would capitulate was hanging over us for some time prior to the series starting.
Burns getting rinsed first ball in Brisbane reinforced, you fear, all of the worries that this team had - we've never really recovered from it.
The bowling has tried hard (although, poor Leach...), the batting is, as discussed, stupidly fragile (in addition to the openers, the lower middle order of Pope and Buttler look terrified - both can properly bat, neither are doing so), and the fielding has been atrocious - properly atrocious. The Aussies know if they edge it, there's about a 40% chance we'll shell it.
When Jimmy and Broad retire - eeek....
Silverwood clearly shouldn't be coaching this lot; sadly, however, the problem goes quite a lot further than him. |
you see I dont blame the coaching for this, these are professional cricketers that are supposed to be at an international level, they should know their own game inside out already, all the coaches job to do is give the players the environment both physically and mentally that they can excel in and give them a few words of encouragement now and then, thats all Bayliss was doing, they arent there to tell them how to play cricket.
and KP talks about it in his book the reason he didnt get on with Flower is because Flower never gave him the mental support & space he needed, he was always badgering him about something and was always trying to coach to change his batting technique which simply scrambled his natural game, when he went back to ignoring Flower (which created problems with him in the team) he batted far better and scored lots more runs.
so these players have been picked because they have the talent, but we saw again and even Alistair Cook highlighted we lose a wicket and new batsman comes in and within 6-12 balls they are trying to take the attack to the bowlers like its just an extended ODI game they are playing not a test match, and they should be just be batting long & defending for 30 even 40 balls, before getting the flashy swipe at a ball chest height shot out the drawer.
and the irony is in the post match interview Glenn McGraths asks what the England game plan is tomorrow, and Malan is almost half chuckling when he says got to bat for a long time, well yes we will, but given out of the whole team only Malan & Root have shown the patience to do it, it will be game over before the final session ends I reckon. | | | |
| England doing their usual… on 14:23 - Dec 18 with 228 views | Ace_High1 |
| England doing their usual… on 08:17 - Dec 18 by Funge |
That's the point tho - there's undeniable talent there, but, mentally, we're miles off.
Malan and Root should've had 2 centuries each so far, and we all know how good Stokes and Buttler *can* be (Stokes is amazing).
This has to come from coaching - the best English performances in the last 20 years have come under Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss - all overseas coaches.
Desperately need an opener, mind. |
Exactly this, Silverwood is up there with Moores in being so far out of his depth.
We should have got Kirsten, not just gone for a token Englishmen.
Root should just bat, we need a new captain and coach.
The team selection, resting of players and tactics are woeful. |  | | |
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| England doing their usual… on 14:24 - Dec 18 with 228 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| England doing their usual… on 08:17 - Dec 18 by Funge |
That's the point tho - there's undeniable talent there, but, mentally, we're miles off.
Malan and Root should've had 2 centuries each so far, and we all know how good Stokes and Buttler *can* be (Stokes is amazing).
This has to come from coaching - the best English performances in the last 20 years have come under Duncan Fletcher, Andy Flower and Trevor Bayliss - all overseas coaches.
Desperately need an opener, mind. |
Agree. We have (when all fit) bowling options that any side would be jealous off and huge depth there and I think England really were working towards coming to Oz packed with pace and bounce only to have that plan decimated by injury.
Batting wise if England's openers put on decent runs then we tend to make big scores but too often Root is in at 20, 30 odd for 2 and if he doesn't make runs that's that. Butler and Stokes are at their best backing up a platform when they have more licence to play their natural attacking game instead of scratching around at 150 for 5/6 as too often the case.
Right now Burns and Hameed must be shot mentally and once again England is desperate for openers. Let's be honest Cook papered over cracks because everyone who has come in since Strauss has been a disappointment
Hameed is still young and should have been given more time to learn and adjust after his debut instead of being cast aside and only brought back in due to everyone else being incapable. Burns should have been given his chance for earlier too and maybe with the unmovable Cook to bat with would have had time to develop instead of being thrown in because England were desperate for an opener. Unfortunately the selectors remain wedded to not picking 'ugly' shot makers. Technique is important but so are statistics and averages.
Silverwood did v well at County level but so far his tenure as England coach has been underwhelming at best [Post edited 18 Dec 2021 14:29]
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