| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland 17:21 - Feb 25 with 4865 views | Guthrum |
From The Guardian:
'Russia’s foreign ministry spokesperson, Maria Zakharova, has warned both Finland and Sweden that they will face “detrimental military and political consequences” if they attempt to join Nato.
Zakharova was speaking at a press conference in Moscow earlier this afternoon, where she warned that the Nato accession of either Finland or Sweden would spark a serious response from Moscow.
We regard the Finnish government’s commitment to a military non-alignment policy as an important factor in ensuring security and stability in northern Europe.'
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| [Redacted] on 18:33 - Feb 25 with 1601 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 17:32 - Feb 25 by Guthrum |
How long until Putin demands the Baltic States leave NATO? |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:33 - Feb 25 with 1598 views | Guthrum |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:26 - Feb 25 by homer_123 |
I refer you again to the Russia typical attacks. Not all of those 200000 units have been deployed. Only two waves of incursions and it looks like that is all they need.
A significant majority haven't been deployed.
"However, US intelligence believes that the bulk of the Russian forces around Ukraine - which depending on the accuracy of estimates represent some 50-60% of the total strength of the Russian Ground Forces - will not be involved in the initial phases of the attack. The US stated that Russia's invasion is designed to decapitate Ukraine's government: one of the three main axes of assault is directed at the capital Kyiv, a senior US defense official said." |
Not all those 200k will be useful, high-quality forces. Which is why they haven't been committed in the first waves, which were evidently an attempt to rapidly decapitate the Ukrainian government or force them to fold by a show of force. Which didn't come off.
The Russians aren't that close to winning yet. Not as close as I'd have expected after two days of fighting.
On a side note, waiting this long before attacking has given the Ukrainian military time to prepare and made resistance stiffer than might have been. | |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:39 - Feb 25 with 1567 views | homer_123 |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:33 - Feb 25 by Guthrum |
Not all those 200k will be useful, high-quality forces. Which is why they haven't been committed in the first waves, which were evidently an attempt to rapidly decapitate the Ukrainian government or force them to fold by a show of force. Which didn't come off.
The Russians aren't that close to winning yet. Not as close as I'd have expected after two days of fighting.
On a side note, waiting this long before attacking has given the Ukrainian military time to prepare and made resistance stiffer than might have been. |
I disagree...those 200000 troops will be more than useful forces.
Russia has a history of not deploying or committing in one go...they have always done so in waves....so it's normal to be holding back this many troops.
I'd say that they are pretty close to getting what they want based on verified reports...sadly. Not as quickly as Putin would have wanted...granted. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 18:44 - Feb 25 with 1557 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:33 - Feb 25 by Guthrum |
Not all those 200k will be useful, high-quality forces. Which is why they haven't been committed in the first waves, which were evidently an attempt to rapidly decapitate the Ukrainian government or force them to fold by a show of force. Which didn't come off.
The Russians aren't that close to winning yet. Not as close as I'd have expected after two days of fighting.
On a side note, waiting this long before attacking has given the Ukrainian military time to prepare and made resistance stiffer than might have been. |
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| [Redacted] on 18:49 - Feb 25 with 1531 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:39 - Feb 25 by homer_123 |
I disagree...those 200000 troops will be more than useful forces.
Russia has a history of not deploying or committing in one go...they have always done so in waves....so it's normal to be holding back this many troops.
I'd say that they are pretty close to getting what they want based on verified reports...sadly. Not as quickly as Putin would have wanted...granted. |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:58 - Feb 25 with 1503 views | Mullet |
Stuff like this makes it sound like we are not far off the theatres of war opening up doesn't it? Nothing the Russians say now can be dismissed any longer I guess. No matter how preposterous. |  |
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| [Redacted] on 19:07 - Feb 25 with 1469 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:58 - Feb 25 by Mullet |
Stuff like this makes it sound like we are not far off the theatres of war opening up doesn't it? Nothing the Russians say now can be dismissed any longer I guess. No matter how preposterous. |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 19:13 - Feb 25 with 1433 views | Mullet |
The whole thing is crazy isn't it? I never thought we'd see this in my life time - I expected rogue states and actors to crash computer networks etc. | |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 19:22 - Feb 25 with 1403 views | Swansea_Blue |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 17:35 - Feb 25 by homer_123 |
Ah paywall....what's the gist? |
Russia’s sabre-rattling in Ukraine has reignited a debate in Finland about whether the Nordic country should join Nato, defying Moscow’s demands that the military alliance limit its expansion in Europe.
Both Finland’s president, Sauli Niinisto, and prime minister, Sanna Marin, used new year addresses to underscore that the country reserved the option of seeking Nato membership at any time.
“Let it be stated once again: Finland’s room to manoeuvre and freedom of choice also include the possibility of military alignment and of applying for Nato membership, should we ourselves so decide,” Niinisto said.
etc., etc. and some speculation about whether Russia would invade and what the west would do ("respond decisively" according to a quote from Biden - I'm not sure we'd all agree that's been the case).
It's hard to argue with a country's wish to make their own decisions about such things. |  |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 20:13 - Feb 25 with 1336 views | Sarge |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 17:30 - Feb 25 by homer_123 |
This is not surprising at all.
Begs the question....at what point do we get involved military?
If we continue to stand by doing nothing...what stops Putin doing just that? Sanctions will not work without China supporting them...even if not publicly.
He was allowed to annex Crimea without any serious or even half hearted response.
What about Estonia...Latvia....etc al
By the way....war sucks....but there comes a point [Post edited 25 Feb 2022 17:32]
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Part of me feels it would be best if he did attempt an invasion of one of the Baltic states. If he stops at Ukraine we have already proven we’re not actually willing to do a whole lot about it and instead will slowly accept that Ukraine is now a puppet state of an unhinged despot. If he were to go for the Baltics then that surely would force a military response from NATO. Russia has no chance against a combined NATO force and we can then drive them out of Ukraine. |  | | |
| [Redacted] on 20:17 - Feb 25 with 1313 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 20:13 - Feb 25 by Sarge |
Part of me feels it would be best if he did attempt an invasion of one of the Baltic states. If he stops at Ukraine we have already proven we’re not actually willing to do a whole lot about it and instead will slowly accept that Ukraine is now a puppet state of an unhinged despot. If he were to go for the Baltics then that surely would force a military response from NATO. Russia has no chance against a combined NATO force and we can then drive them out of Ukraine. |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 20:25 - Feb 25 with 1296 views | BloomBlue |
The 'stop the war' mob will probably release a statement soon saying neither Finland or Sweden has a sovereign right to join NATO as they did about Ukraine |  | | |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 20:41 - Feb 25 with 1257 views | Sarge |
Best to let them just keep bombing Ukraine and then move on to Moldova because they know nobody will do a thing about it. | | | |
| [Redacted] on 21:07 - Feb 25 with 1216 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 20:41 - Feb 25 by Sarge |
Best to let them just keep bombing Ukraine and then move on to Moldova because they know nobody will do a thing about it. |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 01:02 - Feb 26 with 1022 views | Guthrum |
Where would a "corridor" to Kaliningrad run? Through Vilnius and Kaunas? Might as well annex the whole country - and Latvia while he's at it. Doesn't work on any level. | |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 01:08 - Feb 26 with 1014 views | Guthrum |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 18:39 - Feb 25 by homer_123 |
I disagree...those 200000 troops will be more than useful forces.
Russia has a history of not deploying or committing in one go...they have always done so in waves....so it's normal to be holding back this many troops.
I'd say that they are pretty close to getting what they want based on verified reports...sadly. Not as quickly as Putin would have wanted...granted. |
Not all those 200k are front-line troops in terms of quality and equipment. Let alone the 600k-900k others.
Artillery-backed human waves might have still worked in the 1940s (at great cost), but even by Korea they were proving of limited effectiveness.
So far, the Russians have not taken any major population centre. Latest reports suggest their main forces are still some way from the capital, even. | |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 07:19 - Feb 26 with 951 views | homer_123 |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 01:08 - Feb 26 by Guthrum |
Not all those 200k are front-line troops in terms of quality and equipment. Let alone the 600k-900k others.
Artillery-backed human waves might have still worked in the 1940s (at great cost), but even by Korea they were proving of limited effectiveness.
So far, the Russians have not taken any major population centre. Latest reports suggest their main forces are still some way from the capital, even. |
Melitopol has fallen. Fighting in Kyiv streets. Both confirmed.
Worth noting that Russia's army is hardly poorly equipped.
Estimates suggest Russia has: tanks: 12,420; armoured vehicles: 30,122; self-propelled artillery: 6,574; towed artillery: 7,571; rocket projectors: 3,391.
NATOs combined troops and mechanised weaponry is certainly more. | |
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| [Redacted] on 07:53 - Feb 26 with 913 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 01:02 - Feb 26 by Guthrum |
Where would a "corridor" to Kaliningrad run? Through Vilnius and Kaunas? Might as well annex the whole country - and Latvia while he's at it. Doesn't work on any level. |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 08:54 - Feb 26 with 859 views | Guthrum |
That's not good terrain (thick forest around Augustow) and there are no major roads going in the right direction. Plus both flanks open and fairly easy to cut. | |
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| [Redacted] on 09:16 - Feb 26 with 818 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 08:54 - Feb 26 by Guthrum |
That's not good terrain (thick forest around Augustow) and there are no major roads going in the right direction. Plus both flanks open and fairly easy to cut. |
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| [Redacted] on 09:23 - Feb 26 with 796 views | victorywilhappen |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 08:54 - Feb 26 by Guthrum |
That's not good terrain (thick forest around Augustow) and there are no major roads going in the right direction. Plus both flanks open and fairly easy to cut. |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 09:27 - Feb 26 with 784 views | Guthrum |
| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 07:19 - Feb 26 by homer_123 |
Melitopol has fallen. Fighting in Kyiv streets. Both confirmed.
Worth noting that Russia's army is hardly poorly equipped.
Estimates suggest Russia has: tanks: 12,420; armoured vehicles: 30,122; self-propelled artillery: 6,574; towed artillery: 7,571; rocket projectors: 3,391.
NATOs combined troops and mechanised weaponry is certainly more. |
Big numbers. But only a few hundred of those tanks are the most modern (i.e. post-Soviet) T-90 type. Thousands of the older types (e.g. 50-year-old T-72s) are in storage, rather than on active service.
Likewise, much of the other equipment is of similar vintage. Operated largely by two-year conscripts, not long-service professionals.
Melitopol is so far the only major population centre to have fallen (the port city of Mariupol may have done, but disputed). It is in a very exposed position, close to the coast and near Crimea. The fighting in Kiev appears to be very limited so far. Possibly just airborne and special forces dropped in the vicinity. | |
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| And here come the threats to Sweden and Finland on 09:32 - Feb 26 with 771 views | PrrrromotionGiven |
That Sweden and Finland are not in NATO is totally irrelevant when they are both part of the EU, which has its own mutual defence article in the Treaty of Lisbon. No sniping territory from either of them without starting WW3. | | | |
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