| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! 21:12 - Jul 1 with 5421 views | unstableblue |
And try and do something tangible to resolve it.
Firstly if you voted Brexit, then you were duped, completely. The government advice (a Tory government) was clear we’d get a decade of economic pain - did you not read that?! Or were you listening to Farage or The Daily Mail, or christ Boris.
Those who did, need to start taking responsibility, admit the error, and start making some noise, rather than hiding like a monkey with hands over its eyes.
Brexit is causing very long term damage to Uk PLC, these figures are the worst on record, and it’s now no longer time to hide behind covid.
We need to stop the jingoistic silliness of the Tory backbench that got us hear, start firstly by getting serious about the NI protocol.
Because I’m afraid brexiteers cannot continue to use Europe as a political football, something to bash and blame. This was by far our biggest market, what madness to make it difficult to trade with.
Stop talking about stupid meaningless trade deals to make silly little headlines. Get round the table, go cap in hand, admit we fecked up.
This is our childrens future?!
And what is that? England as a nation standing on its own, watching GB News, being lied to by a Tory government and media, and trying to align with the USA - a country who’s right wing populism is destroying it - and moving away from a centrist European project trying to have sensible conversations about the environment.
Rant over. But come on, we need to wake up. |  |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 17:34 - Jul 2 with 1415 views | cbower |
Sorry is the hardest word. They will never admit it was a lie and they bought it as that would be to concede their own stupidty. As you point out, having these idiots in charge since the vote has made a lie into a disaster. |  |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 17:40 - Jul 2 with 1409 views | Churchman |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 16:48 - Jul 2 by mylittletown |
EU born immigrants were the only group of net contributors to the UK economy before the referendum, so your not being spent on the high street point is simply untrue.
If your local businesses were suffering in 2016, they are going to have a much worse time for the foreseeable future.
There was no popular mandate for Brexit, well under 40% of the electorate voted for it.
Why are you proud of being on the side of the referendum which has condemned your own country to decades of decline and poverty? Or can you, in a constructive and factually based argument, point out some good things which have are are going to happen to our country and our economy? |
My views on the madness of Brexit have been splurged on here many times, but BigCommon is fully entitled to his view and it’s good that he expressed his experience.
Your comment of 40% of the electorate has merit, but it is your view. Scotland will become independent with a vote from less than 50% of the electorate and few will dispute its legitimacy. Will you?
With regard to your statement ‘EU born immigrants were the only group of net contributors to the U.K. economy’ it’s such a certain statement I’d be grateful if you could point me to your ‘factually based’ evidence?
Edit: A Guardian view of Brexit to date
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/12/is-brexit-working-four-key-test [Post edited 2 Jul 2022 17:50]
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 17:56 - Jul 2 with 1376 views | GavTWTD |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 23:10 - Jul 1 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
“Can anyone point to a single Brexit benefit? We’ve been waiting six years.
Answer; it has earnt TWTD, (Phil and Co), a great deal of income surely, with all these years of ranting, raving, complaining, infighting etc etc......can anyone pick a week, or even a day when a topic on the subject as not been raised? |
Enough for a pack of hobnobs, probably |  |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:01 - Jul 2 with 1380 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
If proof were ever needed......
There have been 25 different posters in this thread so far. That is from over 2300 views - 16000 season ticket holders, an Ipswich population of c 139,000 (yes admittedly just Ipswich) and a Suffolk population of c 760,000.
Now most of these 25 folk think that so many of the 16,000, 139,000, or even the 760,000 are deluded, stupid, thick, intolerant, racist, duped etc etc.....Oh and do not even think about drinking in Wetherspoons!!
Today I have been gardening, volunteering, being granddads taxi, watching cricket (damn weather!) and now thinking of phoning my mate about going to the cricket next Friday..... Some have been on social media a lot of the day - each to our own hey.
Midday today I think marked the half way point of 2022 - a happy second half to all. |  | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:02 - Jul 2 with 1372 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:01 - Jul 2 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
If proof were ever needed......
There have been 25 different posters in this thread so far. That is from over 2300 views - 16000 season ticket holders, an Ipswich population of c 139,000 (yes admittedly just Ipswich) and a Suffolk population of c 760,000.
Now most of these 25 folk think that so many of the 16,000, 139,000, or even the 760,000 are deluded, stupid, thick, intolerant, racist, duped etc etc.....Oh and do not even think about drinking in Wetherspoons!!
Today I have been gardening, volunteering, being granddads taxi, watching cricket (damn weather!) and now thinking of phoning my mate about going to the cricket next Friday..... Some have been on social media a lot of the day - each to our own hey.
Midday today I think marked the half way point of 2022 - a happy second half to all. |
Make that 26....thanks to Gav!! | | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:06 - Jul 2 with 1367 views | MattinLondon |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:01 - Jul 2 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
If proof were ever needed......
There have been 25 different posters in this thread so far. That is from over 2300 views - 16000 season ticket holders, an Ipswich population of c 139,000 (yes admittedly just Ipswich) and a Suffolk population of c 760,000.
Now most of these 25 folk think that so many of the 16,000, 139,000, or even the 760,000 are deluded, stupid, thick, intolerant, racist, duped etc etc.....Oh and do not even think about drinking in Wetherspoons!!
Today I have been gardening, volunteering, being granddads taxi, watching cricket (damn weather!) and now thinking of phoning my mate about going to the cricket next Friday..... Some have been on social media a lot of the day - each to our own hey.
Midday today I think marked the half way point of 2022 - a happy second half to all. |
You volunteer? You should mention it more. |  | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:13 - Jul 2 with 1352 views | mylittletown |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 17:40 - Jul 2 by Churchman |
My views on the madness of Brexit have been splurged on here many times, but BigCommon is fully entitled to his view and it’s good that he expressed his experience.
Your comment of 40% of the electorate has merit, but it is your view. Scotland will become independent with a vote from less than 50% of the electorate and few will dispute its legitimacy. Will you?
With regard to your statement ‘EU born immigrants were the only group of net contributors to the U.K. economy’ it’s such a certain statement I’d be grateful if you could point me to your ‘factually based’ evidence?
Edit: A Guardian view of Brexit to date
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jun/12/is-brexit-working-four-key-test [Post edited 2 Jul 2022 17:50]
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https://fullfact.org/immigration/do-eu-immigrants-contribute-134-every-1-they-re
This doesn't state the 'only' bit, that came from the Economist at the time, but given that we almost always run a budget deficit it is pretty easy to support. The reasons for the EU immigrant contribution at the time, are fairly obvious - they were mostly young, not drawing pensions, they were almost all employed and paying tax and NI. Not directly related, but they were on average more highly educated than the UK native workforce.
I always read Jonathan Portes and that, as usual, is a fair and objective article.
I would absolutely dispute the legitimacy of a country making a huge decision like Brexit or Scotland leaving the UK without the support of the majority of the electorate. Therein lies the whole issue with out first past the post system. We have been come conditioned to thinking that less than 50% of the electorate can somehow represent a popular mandate, when it doesn't. |  | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:22 - Jul 2 with 1328 views | jeera |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:01 - Jul 2 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
If proof were ever needed......
There have been 25 different posters in this thread so far. That is from over 2300 views - 16000 season ticket holders, an Ipswich population of c 139,000 (yes admittedly just Ipswich) and a Suffolk population of c 760,000.
Now most of these 25 folk think that so many of the 16,000, 139,000, or even the 760,000 are deluded, stupid, thick, intolerant, racist, duped etc etc.....Oh and do not even think about drinking in Wetherspoons!!
Today I have been gardening, volunteering, being granddads taxi, watching cricket (damn weather!) and now thinking of phoning my mate about going to the cricket next Friday..... Some have been on social media a lot of the day - each to our own hey.
Midday today I think marked the half way point of 2022 - a happy second half to all. |
Who gives a toss what you've been doing with your day?
There are many who post on here whilst doing their daily stuff.
Mums and dads often post whilst waiting to collect their kids from activities, partners from wherever they may be, in between other stuff during their day.
Like you just did.
Never offer anything but the same dull complaining about everyone else do you?
The thread title is clear. If you're not interested then feel free to ignore it. It's not hard if 16,000 other people have managed it. |  |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:28 - Jul 2 with 1315 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:22 - Jul 2 by jeera |
Who gives a toss what you've been doing with your day?
There are many who post on here whilst doing their daily stuff.
Mums and dads often post whilst waiting to collect their kids from activities, partners from wherever they may be, in between other stuff during their day.
Like you just did.
Never offer anything but the same dull complaining about everyone else do you?
The thread title is clear. If you're not interested then feel free to ignore it. It's not hard if 16,000 other people have managed it. |
^this. Popping in to see how Glassers and Darth are arguing, to see Dolly going off on one or to moan about Brexit takes 5 mins while waiting for something else. Waiting for a meeting to start, waiting for the bus, waiting for the school pickup. I wouldn’t go as far as saying I can multitask, but it’s not far off (waiting for some paint stripper to work its magic right now). |  |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:33 - Jul 2 with 1290 views | jeera |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:28 - Jul 2 by Swansea_Blue |
^this. Popping in to see how Glassers and Darth are arguing, to see Dolly going off on one or to moan about Brexit takes 5 mins while waiting for something else. Waiting for a meeting to start, waiting for the bus, waiting for the school pickup. I wouldn’t go as far as saying I can multitask, but it’s not far off (waiting for some paint stripper to work its magic right now). |
He's got this weird superior attitude where he thinks he's talking to a bunch of people who do nothing but sit on here, whilst posting on here himself.
He doesn't seem to realise how anything works quite frankly.
Mind you, that's the trouble with these Brexit types! | |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:35 - Jul 2 with 1278 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:06 - Jul 2 by MattinLondon |
You volunteer? You should mention it more. |
What on earth for? There are literally millions of folk doing it on a regular basis; I was just explaining my day compared to those that choose to spend a lot of time on social media. | | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:37 - Jul 2 with 1244 views | jeera |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:35 - Jul 2 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
What on earth for? There are literally millions of folk doing it on a regular basis; I was just explaining my day compared to those that choose to spend a lot of time on social media. |
He means you do mention it more.
Several times now.
Your time must fly by. | |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:39 - Jul 2 with 1233 views | jeera |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:28 - Jul 2 by Swansea_Blue |
^this. Popping in to see how Glassers and Darth are arguing, to see Dolly going off on one or to moan about Brexit takes 5 mins while waiting for something else. Waiting for a meeting to start, waiting for the bus, waiting for the school pickup. I wouldn’t go as far as saying I can multitask, but it’s not far off (waiting for some paint stripper to work its magic right now). |
I shall drop by later to see how the painting is going.
I would sit here and wait but that would be like watching paint dry. | |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:44 - Jul 2 with 1217 views | MattinLondon |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:37 - Jul 2 by jeera |
He means you do mention it more.
Several times now.
Your time must fly by. |
I’m just surprised the pompous fella managed to keep his post under 1000 words. | | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:51 - Jul 2 with 1212 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:37 - Jul 2 by jeera |
He means you do mention it more.
Several times now.
Your time must fly by. |
Now Mr Jeera, I have challenged you before and you have failed to respond; so let me do it again. 'Several times now' you say. Mmmm........can you prove that - of course not.
You are correct on one thing though - yep time goes far too quickly. | | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:57 - Jul 2 with 1209 views | MattinLondon |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:51 - Jul 2 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
Now Mr Jeera, I have challenged you before and you have failed to respond; so let me do it again. 'Several times now' you say. Mmmm........can you prove that - of course not.
You are correct on one thing though - yep time goes far too quickly. |
It takes at least two for a challenge to be undertaken.
In this case, one poster challenges, the other laughs at you. | | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 23:02 - Jul 2 with 1122 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:57 - Jul 2 by MattinLondon |
It takes at least two for a challenge to be undertaken.
In this case, one poster challenges, the other laughs at you. |
It is better to keep your fingers off the keyboard and let people think you are a fool, than it is to reply on a cowards behalf and remove all doubt.
I wonder if Thomas Jefferson was the great great grandfather of Derek! | | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 23:27 - Jul 2 with 1089 views | jaykay |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:37 - Jul 2 by jeera |
He means you do mention it more.
Several times now.
Your time must fly by. |
Hunt watch by jaykay 21 Jun 2022 22:04something about charity ,but he doesn't like to talk about it.
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 08:30 - Jul 3 with 1016 views | unstableblue |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 18:01 - Jul 2 by Icantbelieveyousaidt |
If proof were ever needed......
There have been 25 different posters in this thread so far. That is from over 2300 views - 16000 season ticket holders, an Ipswich population of c 139,000 (yes admittedly just Ipswich) and a Suffolk population of c 760,000.
Now most of these 25 folk think that so many of the 16,000, 139,000, or even the 760,000 are deluded, stupid, thick, intolerant, racist, duped etc etc.....Oh and do not even think about drinking in Wetherspoons!!
Today I have been gardening, volunteering, being granddads taxi, watching cricket (damn weather!) and now thinking of phoning my mate about going to the cricket next Friday..... Some have been on social media a lot of the day - each to our own hey.
Midday today I think marked the half way point of 2022 - a happy second half to all. |
If I listed out my activities in the last 24hrs, I can assure you it would impress, and not being on social media for long periods is included. I go on TWTD because I love Town, and I want info and opinion about them as often as possible.
Also I’m not saying all Brexit voters are stupid, but I’m saying a vast amount were duped. I work with an Oxbridge graduate who voted Brexit, he’s not stupid, I do think his measured view was rare amongst Brexit voters though - but he now does openly regret his decision, because as he would say, it would have taken a Herculean diplomatic and charm offensive to get what he had hoped for, and we essentially got the dregs of the Tory party to implement it.
But again we’re all missing the point… I want a prosperous, positive, harmonious, caring, progressive, green UK for my family to grow up in. Brexit, right wing populism and climate change are huge challenges to this. And we’re all sitting around letting it happen… this catastrophic cabinet are a laughing stock, putting in damaging legislation, damaging our world standing, allowing our economy to fail…. And we sit around going ‘la la la Brexit isn’t the problem’ when it is… it’s in plain sight…. “La la la oh Boris”
I don’t particularly want to post political posts on this board… I’d rather talk about Wolfendens market value, or what the squad still needs… but I just hope some might read my ramblings and change an opinion, take some action… get active
What’s the Brexit story of today… we can’t run our airports, perhaps not a bad thing due to carbon! But we can’t run them effectively… as we relied on a flexible European workforce we could flex, much like agriculture and the hospitality sector | |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 09:05 - Jul 3 with 979 views | Icantbelieveyousaidt |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 08:30 - Jul 3 by unstableblue |
If I listed out my activities in the last 24hrs, I can assure you it would impress, and not being on social media for long periods is included. I go on TWTD because I love Town, and I want info and opinion about them as often as possible.
Also I’m not saying all Brexit voters are stupid, but I’m saying a vast amount were duped. I work with an Oxbridge graduate who voted Brexit, he’s not stupid, I do think his measured view was rare amongst Brexit voters though - but he now does openly regret his decision, because as he would say, it would have taken a Herculean diplomatic and charm offensive to get what he had hoped for, and we essentially got the dregs of the Tory party to implement it.
But again we’re all missing the point… I want a prosperous, positive, harmonious, caring, progressive, green UK for my family to grow up in. Brexit, right wing populism and climate change are huge challenges to this. And we’re all sitting around letting it happen… this catastrophic cabinet are a laughing stock, putting in damaging legislation, damaging our world standing, allowing our economy to fail…. And we sit around going ‘la la la Brexit isn’t the problem’ when it is… it’s in plain sight…. “La la la oh Boris”
I don’t particularly want to post political posts on this board… I’d rather talk about Wolfendens market value, or what the squad still needs… but I just hope some might read my ramblings and change an opinion, take some action… get active
What’s the Brexit story of today… we can’t run our airports, perhaps not a bad thing due to carbon! But we can’t run them effectively… as we relied on a flexible European workforce we could flex, much like agriculture and the hospitality sector |
Good early Sunday morning Unstableblue - if only all posts were as succinct, polite and understanding as yours is.
I do disagree with some of your points, but it is written in such a way that I certainly respect them, they make me think about them and is the only way that political points should be discussed.
Yep, ITFC is the main reason I am on here and as one who attends 80% + of the games it is my only point of call for all things 'Ipswich Town'.
So, thank you for the dignity and clarity of your reply, and have a good Sunday. I am off line for the rest of the day as 'Ipswich Music Day' beckons.
Finally, with or without Brexit (why oh why didn't David Cameron manage to sort it out with the EU!) the majority of us are fortunate to have health, happiness, food and a roof over our heads; the minority that do not, is the responsibility of all of us and not just 650 politicians. | | | |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 09:19 - Jul 3 with 967 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 03:30 - Jul 2 by BigCommon |
Calling people stupid, or duped. Is not the best way to win them over.. i assume the aim is to try and win people over?? For a moment I thought you were just looking for upvotes from those that already share your views?...
I voted Brexit, because my wages were halved over two decades of cheap foreign labor flooding the labor market and working for peanuts.. Saw my local businesses suffer. Because money earned here, was being sent back home to the EU , by said foreign workers. Instead of being spent on our high streets... You don't need to be duped by anyone, when your house gets repossessed and your family gets broken...
Your sh1tty little post is meaningless mate. Unless you show some empathy. Instead of belittling. You won't win anyone over . And you need to. Because there weren't enough of you to begin with... You lost in the referendum , remember? |
That wasn't the fault of the EU that was unscrupulous employers. And I presume now that all those cheap EU workers are gone, those UK people who lost jobs due to this influx of cheap labour are now coining it in, Loadsamoney style?
In terms of empathy, I think you've undermined your whole argument with your last paragraph... |  |
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| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 16:32 - Jul 3 with 903 views | leitrimblue |
| Anyone else read the FT today? Time to truly fess up to Brexit isn’t it?! on 03:30 - Jul 2 by BigCommon |
Calling people stupid, or duped. Is not the best way to win them over.. i assume the aim is to try and win people over?? For a moment I thought you were just looking for upvotes from those that already share your views?...
I voted Brexit, because my wages were halved over two decades of cheap foreign labor flooding the labor market and working for peanuts.. Saw my local businesses suffer. Because money earned here, was being sent back home to the EU , by said foreign workers. Instead of being spent on our high streets... You don't need to be duped by anyone, when your house gets repossessed and your family gets broken...
Your sh1tty little post is meaningless mate. Unless you show some empathy. Instead of belittling. You won't win anyone over . And you need to. Because there weren't enough of you to begin with... You lost in the referendum , remember? |
Hi there big C. Was wondering what your business/profession was? |  | | |
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