| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights 11:29 - Jul 11 with 3001 views | Darth_Koont |
After 12 years of Tory failure and wider failure around the world, Labour are pitching even further right and doubling down on neoliberalism!!?
Utter clowns. |  |
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| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 09:06 - Jul 12 with 649 views | itfcjoe |
| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 08:53 - Jul 12 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, not the brightest move to give credence to the magic money tree slur normally used (very successfully) by the Tories. That especially seems like a bit of an own goal. God knows what his attempted quip about the moon was either.
He’s got an open door here to just challenge the wild, uncosted promises made by some of the candidates. And where one (Zahawi, I think) said they’d fund tax cuts by cutting the civil service/public services, he could easily go after the impacts of austerity. I’m not sure why he needs to try and go a bit jokey/weird. He’s not good at it. |
I think we forget how much of a harder ride Labour get on the economy if ever in power, the Tories have trashed it over the last 12 years, whilst cutting everything to the bone but still ask your average voter and they will say the trust the Tories with money over Labour.
This is why Starmer has to do what Blair and Brown did, and show they can be ultra responsible fiscally - it's boring but it's necessary to appeal to 'middle England'.
These Tories are proposing tax cuts on everything, Sunak is the only one who seems to have some acceptance of what that means - probably because he has experience of his pretty poor spring statement that had to be followed up by a big giveaway.
There is the rubbish talk of 'reform' to save money from most but we know this doesn't work - tax cuts will only come from greater borrowing, especially when the new PM is in, and they see Brexit still being a disaster, the economy stagnant, energy bills increasing when next cap hits and a horrible winter ahead and they follow up the tax cuts with giveaways which will make the economy even worse.
If Labour win the next GE in 2024 they'll be hammered for the economy being bad despite the state they inherit it in |  |
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| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 09:24 - Jul 12 with 665 views | nodge_blue |
| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 09:06 - Jul 12 by itfcjoe |
I think we forget how much of a harder ride Labour get on the economy if ever in power, the Tories have trashed it over the last 12 years, whilst cutting everything to the bone but still ask your average voter and they will say the trust the Tories with money over Labour.
This is why Starmer has to do what Blair and Brown did, and show they can be ultra responsible fiscally - it's boring but it's necessary to appeal to 'middle England'.
These Tories are proposing tax cuts on everything, Sunak is the only one who seems to have some acceptance of what that means - probably because he has experience of his pretty poor spring statement that had to be followed up by a big giveaway.
There is the rubbish talk of 'reform' to save money from most but we know this doesn't work - tax cuts will only come from greater borrowing, especially when the new PM is in, and they see Brexit still being a disaster, the economy stagnant, energy bills increasing when next cap hits and a horrible winter ahead and they follow up the tax cuts with giveaways which will make the economy even worse.
If Labour win the next GE in 2024 they'll be hammered for the economy being bad despite the state they inherit it in |
Labour have only won power in recent years when they've had centre right leaders.
Theres a simple lesson to be learned there.
If we borrow too much more money then we will soon be being asked to pay more interest to borrow the money as we won't be viewed as a good risk, and then the percentage of public spend of debt repayment will start to eat into what we can actually spend our money on.
Theres no easy answers here, but sooner or later we have to control spending. |  |
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| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 09:30 - Jul 12 with 586 views | itfcjoe |
| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 09:24 - Jul 12 by nodge_blue |
Labour have only won power in recent years when they've had centre right leaders.
Theres a simple lesson to be learned there.
If we borrow too much more money then we will soon be being asked to pay more interest to borrow the money as we won't be viewed as a good risk, and then the percentage of public spend of debt repayment will start to eat into what we can actually spend our money on.
Theres no easy answers here, but sooner or later we have to control spending. |
The Tories borrowing levels are off the scale, and all the leadership candidates (bar Sunak tbf) are talking about what will be lots more borrowing - but Labour will get hammered for not being able to be trusted one economy come the next GE campaign | |
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| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 09:30 - Jul 12 with 647 views | Funge |
| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 08:36 - Jul 12 by Darth_Koont |
I don't criticise everything he says and does. But I do criticise the stuff that makes a mockery of his leadership "pledges". Which is a lot.
He's more comfortable aping the Tories. Here he's perpetuating the damaging myth of the Magic Money Tree when it is borrowing, pure and simple. And a shibboleth of the right that holds back our political debate and indeed limits the policies we see as a country.
We *should* be moving away from this after the experience of the pandemic. So yeah, I expect far more from an opposition leader who is ostensibly there to offer an alternative, let alone one that isn't itself right wing. |
'I don't criticise everything he says and does.'
You do. You're the most myopic political poster there has ever been on this site, and, by Christ, there's been some stiff, stiff opposition.
More fool me for indulging these silly 6th form political posts. |  | | |
| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 10:05 - Jul 12 with 600 views | Darth_Koont |
| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 09:30 - Jul 12 by Funge |
'I don't criticise everything he says and does.'
You do. You're the most myopic political poster there has ever been on this site, and, by Christ, there's been some stiff, stiff opposition.
More fool me for indulging these silly 6th form political posts. |
I don't agree with nodding this stuff through (Starmer's right-wing agenda and equally blatant dishonesty) and then wringing our hands about the state of politics and of the country.
You clearly do. Good luck with that. | |
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| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 10:28 - Jul 12 with 532 views | Darth_Koont |
| Last one out of the UK, switch off the lights on 10:25 - Jul 12 by GlasgowBlue |
"If they can't get behind the democratically elected leader of the Labour party then they should fcuk off and join the Tories" [Post edited 12 Jul 2022 10:27]
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This is an undemocratically elected leader. As he lied about almost everything.
I know that "clever politics" (well-adjusted people call them lies) floats your boat but we need an awful lot better than that. | |
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