| For the sake of (not having an) argument... 14:00 - Jul 14 with 2731 views | OriginalMarkyP |
Let's say that there are no more ins this window. And then Pigott goes.
Where do you reckon this squad will finish in League One?
I'd say 6th. |  |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:38 - Jul 14 with 810 views | JDB23 |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:31 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
What is there to judge things off if not squad strength? How do these other teams going to consistently win games of football with worse players? [Post edited 14 Jul 2022 17:05]
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Because they work better as a team and know how to win football matches in this division. Do you genuinely believe Wycombe/Oxford etc have had better squads than us every time they’ve finished above us in the league? We’ve been favourites every season we’ve been in this division based mainly off our squad and we’ve come no where near to promotion. |  | | |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:43 - Jul 14 with 776 views | FrimleyBlue |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:38 - Jul 14 by JDB23 |
Because they work better as a team and know how to win football matches in this division. Do you genuinely believe Wycombe/Oxford etc have had better squads than us every time they’ve finished above us in the league? We’ve been favourites every season we’ve been in this division based mainly off our squad and we’ve come no where near to promotion. |
Which is why Pigott scored goals last season and did nothing for us.. and why bonne scored goals before we started playing football.
Things sometimes are made easy for players. Sometimes tho better football makes it harder for some others. |  |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:43 - Jul 14 with 785 views | STYG |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:38 - Jul 14 by JDB23 |
Because they work better as a team and know how to win football matches in this division. Do you genuinely believe Wycombe/Oxford etc have had better squads than us every time they’ve finished above us in the league? We’ve been favourites every season we’ve been in this division based mainly off our squad and we’ve come no where near to promotion. |
I do wonder how people cope with computing that Bradford won at Chelsea, that Kidderminster beat Reading, that Sutton beat Coventry and that Hereford beat Newcastle.
It's as if the talents of individual players alone also needs some help from tactical approach, team spirit, fitness, work rate, luck with injuries and decisions, desire and the supporters, to a degree.
We now have a manager that seems to have got a talented squad playing very well as a team. We needed to improve a couple of things and I'm confident we will do that with the backing with have and the department now charged with identifying that talent.
The fitness last season looked massively improved as did our injury record. The support is fantastic and the team spirit looks through the roof. If we have the right desire in the squad and work rate then we will take some stopping. | | | |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:43 - Jul 14 with 784 views | Metal_Hacker |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:38 - Jul 14 by JDB23 |
Because they work better as a team and know how to win football matches in this division. Do you genuinely believe Wycombe/Oxford etc have had better squads than us every time they’ve finished above us in the league? We’ve been favourites every season we’ve been in this division based mainly off our squad and we’ve come no where near to promotion. |
Define "better squad" in relation to League 1 |  |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:57 - Jul 14 with 740 views | JDB23 |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:43 - Jul 14 by Metal_Hacker |
Define "better squad" in relation to League 1 |
I think its pretty obvious. If you are comparing player vs player in relation to their position and status in the squad, for example 3rd choice strikers or starting CBs, purely on the individual players ability, I very much doubt you end up with more of their players over ours. | | | |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:01 - Jul 14 with 718 views | Metal_Hacker |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:57 - Jul 14 by JDB23 |
I think its pretty obvious. If you are comparing player vs player in relation to their position and status in the squad, for example 3rd choice strikers or starting CBs, purely on the individual players ability, I very much doubt you end up with more of their players over ours. |
Think this is where we've been going wrong though
Individual brilliance , having talented individuals who are technically gifted doesn't make US or anyone the best squad for this division
It needs a bit of everything in this league , technique ,quality , a physical presence and above all else some sh!thousery
Individual brilliance will not get us promoted let alone win this bl00dy league | |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:02 - Jul 14 with 712 views | STYG |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:57 - Jul 14 by JDB23 |
I think its pretty obvious. If you are comparing player vs player in relation to their position and status in the squad, for example 3rd choice strikers or starting CBs, purely on the individual players ability, I very much doubt you end up with more of their players over ours. |
This is the thing.
Walton, Woolfenden, Edmundson and Morsy walk into pretty much every League One side, with the exception of potentially 1 or 2 of them in maybe 2 or 3 teams.
Then add in the likes of Burns and Chaplin who probably walk into 18 of the 23 sides.
That's 1/3 of our side in pretty much every team and 1/2 our side in every side outside the top six, if you're judging it purely on ability on paper.
Given we now have a competent manager there's really no excuses for failure.
Sure we could end up on 88 points, finish 3rd and lose in the playoffs. But quite simply this team should not be finishing on below 80 points with the talent we have and the resources we have to further improve it. | | | |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:05 - Jul 14 with 692 views | JDB23 |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:01 - Jul 14 by Metal_Hacker |
Think this is where we've been going wrong though
Individual brilliance , having talented individuals who are technically gifted doesn't make US or anyone the best squad for this division
It needs a bit of everything in this league , technique ,quality , a physical presence and above all else some sh!thousery
Individual brilliance will not get us promoted let alone win this bl00dy league |
Yes, that’s the point I’m trying to make. Just because we have better individual players that does not automatically equate to us finishing above other teams, which is why I don’t think we would challenge for automatics if the season started as we are now. | | | |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:08 - Jul 14 with 670 views | jayessess |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 16:38 - Jul 14 by JDB23 |
Because they work better as a team and know how to win football matches in this division. Do you genuinely believe Wycombe/Oxford etc have had better squads than us every time they’ve finished above us in the league? We’ve been favourites every season we’ve been in this division based mainly off our squad and we’ve come no where near to promotion. |
But I'm not sure how you apply that to an off-season prediction? On what basis have you decided that we won't work well as a team? |  |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:17 - Jul 14 with 631 views | JDB23 |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:08 - Jul 14 by jayessess |
But I'm not sure how you apply that to an off-season prediction? On what basis have you decided that we won't work well as a team? |
The OP was asking for gut feelings, I’ve not sat down and gone through everything in a scientific manner and come to a conclusion. Based on what I saw from the team last season, the players we’ve gained/lost and how we looked on Tuesday (I know it was a pretty meaningless friendly but that’s all I can go on at this stage), I don’t think we’ve improved enough to the point of challenging for 90+ points. That doesn’t mean we won’t improve in the next month or so, but the OP was asking if we entered the season now. | | | |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:46 - Jul 14 with 588 views | jayessess |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 17:17 - Jul 14 by JDB23 |
The OP was asking for gut feelings, I’ve not sat down and gone through everything in a scientific manner and come to a conclusion. Based on what I saw from the team last season, the players we’ve gained/lost and how we looked on Tuesday (I know it was a pretty meaningless friendly but that’s all I can go on at this stage), I don’t think we’ve improved enough to the point of challenging for 90+ points. That doesn’t mean we won’t improve in the next month or so, but the OP was asking if we entered the season now. |
Technically, the OP just talks about signings, not about starting the season early.
Just think it's an interesting mindset to assume that we'll be less than the sum of our parts and everyone else will be more, particularly when we've got a highly-regarded manager and a stable squad. | |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 20:15 - Jul 14 with 533 views | Rimsy |
I'd say, as things stand, top 2. With an effective striker on board, champions, no doubt. You've got to be positive at this time of year  |  |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 21:50 - Jul 14 with 506 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
The window is open for another seven weeks yet. |  |
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| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 01:09 - Jul 15 with 463 views | BcarefulwhatUWish4 |
Impossible to say at the moment. Loads of time still left in the transfer window, team has now gelled, potential injuries, improvement of other squads.
Certainly a very competitive League 1 next season with about 8/9 teams fully expecting promotion this season so should be interesting. |  | | |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 05:00 - Jul 15 with 435 views | Westcountryblue |
For me, we still look a little short in certain areas of the squad.
Do Penney and Leigh carry the same level of threat down the left side, that Burns offers us on the right? I'd argue no.
Do we have a player who can create, score and unlock defences? Again, i'd argue no.
Will Lapado, Jackson and John-Jules be able to score 15+. Lapado aside, probably not.
We still need a left wing back, attacking midfielder and 1/2 more strikers. | | | |
| For the sake of (not having an) argument... on 07:00 - Jul 15 with 394 views | tractorboy1978 |
I think the Millwall pre-season game could be a bit of a barometer. In hindsight, we were a complete shambles in that friendly last year at PR and they spanked us 3-0. - it was a sign of what was to come.
I don't think you can underestimate the importance of having a more settled squad now. We still have the same keeper and back 3 that were so solid and resolute last season. In the attacking area, we are probably a couple short but it's still a squad that should be finishing in the top 6. | | | |
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