| So was it handball? on 09:30 - Aug 1 with 2177 views | GeoffSentence |
No definitely not. Though it looks like it struck her arm, you can clearly see from the reverse angle that a gust of wind, possibly a massive, unified exhalation from the fans behind the goal, just blew the ball back before contact was made.
No Penalty. |  |
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| So was it handball? on 09:39 - Aug 1 with 2133 views | DinDjarin |
They need to learn the law if they think that was a pen.
Its not an offense it the ball hits another part of the body first which it clearly did.
Ifab Law 12: Fouls and misconduct
Handling the ball:
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
scores in the opponents’ goal
creates a goal-scoring opportunity
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close
if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger [Post edited 1 Aug 2022 9:41]
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| So was it handball? on 09:49 - Aug 1 with 2065 views | Guthrum |
Adjudged not to be by both the Referee and VAR (2 layers of scrutiny). |  |
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| So was it handball? on 10:43 - Aug 1 with 1912 views | itfc_bucks |
| So was it handball? on 09:39 - Aug 1 by DinDjarin |
They need to learn the law if they think that was a pen.
Its not an offense it the ball hits another part of the body first which it clearly did.
Ifab Law 12: Fouls and misconduct
Handling the ball:
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
scores in the opponents’ goal
creates a goal-scoring opportunity
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close
if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger [Post edited 1 Aug 2022 9:41]
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Agreed, not a handball for this reason.
The number of people citing "intent" as a reason for it not to be a penalty is bloody worrying - fans really ought to learn the bloody rules! |  | | |
| So was it handball? on 10:56 - Aug 1 with 1842 views | Horst3000 |
I was wondering if this had been mentioned at all in the Englisch press or on the telly?
The German tv coverage showed the incident at half time and even showed it to the manager after the match. They are adamant it should have been given.
German twitter is also full of people moaning about the penalty not being given.
I’ve been winding up a few friends here by saying that it wasn’t given because the Ukrainian ref was upset that Germany haven’t supplied them with any weapons. That hasn’t gone down very well… |  | | |
| So was it handball? on 10:58 - Aug 1 with 1832 views | berkstractorboy |
| So was it handball? on 09:39 - Aug 1 by DinDjarin |
They need to learn the law if they think that was a pen.
Its not an offense it the ball hits another part of the body first which it clearly did.
Ifab Law 12: Fouls and misconduct
Handling the ball:
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
scores in the opponents’ goal
creates a goal-scoring opportunity
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close
if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger [Post edited 1 Aug 2022 9:41]
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Out of interest which part of Williamson body do you think it hit before arm? To me the ball came up directly off Bright's leg onto the arm. I can't see any camera angle to suggest otherwise.
I think if the Ref gave it VAR doesn't overturn as no clear evidence the Ref was wrong whatever her decision. | | | |
| So was it handball? on 11:43 - Aug 1 with 1700 views | rickw |
Don't these rules all apply to this?
the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
It would have been one of those you'd want to go for you but would hate it going against you as there was no intent, anyway, I'm sure we're all happy it wasn't given!! |  |
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| So was it handball? on 11:53 - Aug 1 with 1655 views | DinDjarin |
| So was it handball? on 10:58 - Aug 1 by berkstractorboy |
Out of interest which part of Williamson body do you think it hit before arm? To me the ball came up directly off Bright's leg onto the arm. I can't see any camera angle to suggest otherwise.
I think if the Ref gave it VAR doesn't overturn as no clear evidence the Ref was wrong whatever her decision. |
Even if it hit Bright first still no pen as per the rules. But it also came of the chest of the alleged handler of the ball. | | | |
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| So was it handball? on 12:00 - Aug 1 with 1610 views | NthQldITFC |
Who cares. |  |
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| So was it handball? on 12:03 - Aug 1 with 1594 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So was it handball? on 10:58 - Aug 1 by berkstractorboy |
Out of interest which part of Williamson body do you think it hit before arm? To me the ball came up directly off Bright's leg onto the arm. I can't see any camera angle to suggest otherwise.
I think if the Ref gave it VAR doesn't overturn as no clear evidence the Ref was wrong whatever her decision. |
Upper chest/shoulder. Pretty clear I thought.
Kind of harsh on Germany in a way, as the arm clearly stopped the ball going goalwards. But them's the rules. |  |
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| So was it handball? on 12:03 - Aug 1 with 1588 views | Bent_double |
| So was it handball? on 12:00 - Aug 1 by NthQldITFC |
Who cares. |
Finally, the right response!  |  |
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| So was it handball? on 12:10 - Aug 1 with 1564 views | Swansea_Blue |
| So was it handball? on 12:00 - Aug 1 by NthQldITFC |
Who cares. |
Helmut Rott wasn't too happy on LBC this morning. | |
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| So was it handball? on 13:14 - Aug 1 with 1430 views | berkstractorboy |
| So was it handball? on 11:53 - Aug 1 by DinDjarin |
Even if it hit Bright first still no pen as per the rules. But it also came of the chest of the alleged handler of the ball. |
Disagree if it hits Bright then direct onto Williamson arm its a pen. I don't know what rule you think protects that.
I think it may have come off the chest with the slightest of touches too but can't conclude either way | | | |
| So was it handball? on 13:50 - Aug 1 with 1313 views | HighgateBlue |
| So was it handball? on 09:39 - Aug 1 by DinDjarin |
They need to learn the law if they think that was a pen.
Its not an offense it the ball hits another part of the body first which it clearly did.
Ifab Law 12: Fouls and misconduct
Handling the ball:
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.
It is an offence if a player:
deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
after the ball has touched their or a team-mate’s hand/arm, even if accidental, immediately:
scores in the opponents’ goal
creates a goal-scoring opportunity
touches the ball with their hand/arm when:
the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger
the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.
Except for the above offences, it is not an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm:
directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close
if the hand/arm is close to the body and does not make the body unnaturally bigger [Post edited 1 Aug 2022 9:41]
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I’ve read the law on the FA website and I’m struggling to find the bit about coming off the player’s own head or body, or another player who is “close”. Are these exceptions really in the law and if so, where? |  | | |
| So was it handball? on 14:21 - Aug 1 with 1227 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| So was it handball? on 10:56 - Aug 1 by Horst3000 |
I was wondering if this had been mentioned at all in the Englisch press or on the telly?
The German tv coverage showed the incident at half time and even showed it to the manager after the match. They are adamant it should have been given.
German twitter is also full of people moaning about the penalty not being given.
I’ve been winding up a few friends here by saying that it wasn’t given because the Ukrainian ref was upset that Germany haven’t supplied them with any weapons. That hasn’t gone down very well… |
Was a Ukrainian on VAR duty too? |  |
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| So was it handball? on 14:42 - Aug 1 with 1169 views | OldFart71 |
Exactly as Barry Davies once said when we played a hockey game against the Germans when we scored " Where oh where were the Germans ? Frankly who cares" | | | |
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