| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. 11:04 - Aug 21 with 4285 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
How do we think he did? |  |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 19:22 - Aug 21 with 878 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 19:18 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
Heaven forbid one has a different opinion to them.
Doubly so if it's backed up by evidence.
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Lol. Brilliant |  |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:03 - Aug 21 with 846 views | Trequartista |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 19:18 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
Heaven forbid one has a different opinion to them.
Doubly so if it's backed up by evidence.
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If you go in hard with "What a load of rubbish. SB" rather than "I disagree because of x, y and z", you've surely got to expect a bit back when it turns out the opinion you rubbished matched that of the manager ? |  |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:18 - Aug 21 with 824 views | StokieBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 19:21 - Aug 21 by FrimleyBlue |
I think it's a bit of predetermined narrative, your view on Burgess
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There is clear evidence from last season that he is vulnerable on the deck, balls over his shoulder on the turn and when pressurised into a pass.
He did well the other day but in my opinion he's not the player Edmundson is and over the course of a number of matches I think that would be proven.
Nice try though, I bet you had a right chuckle over that one. I especially like people using initials as an attempted dig, seems to happen a lot now and it's rather pathetic.
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:18 - Aug 21 with 824 views | Big_Jase |
Did mostly okay, but as usual got to tight to his man a few times and gave away silly fouls. I think once Keogh is fit he will drop out of the regular squad to be honest. |  |
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| Ha! Irony overload. (n/t) on 20:23 - Aug 21 with 815 views | Bloots |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 19:18 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
Heaven forbid one has a different opinion to them.
Doubly so if it's backed up by evidence.
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:23 - Aug 21 with 819 views | StokieBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:03 - Aug 21 by Trequartista |
If you go in hard with "What a load of rubbish. SB" rather than "I disagree because of x, y and z", you've surely got to expect a bit back when it turns out the opinion you rubbished matched that of the manager ? |
A number of other posters said essentially the same thing but haven't been called out.
The original poster said Burgess had a left foot and thus it would be better distribution, we don't know that is why McKenna made the change (as far as I have seen) so you can't confirm that the original opinion matched the managers. He McKenna comes out and says he has better distribution then I will have been totally at odds with the managers opinion.
How is your hot take on Russia blowing up a nuclear power plant going? Still looking a bit CIL to me, much like your pandemic posting.
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:25 - Aug 21 with 803 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:18 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
There is clear evidence from last season that he is vulnerable on the deck, balls over his shoulder on the turn and when pressurised into a pass.
He did well the other day but in my opinion he's not the player Edmundson is and over the course of a number of matches I think that would be proven.
Nice try though, I bet you had a right chuckle over that one. I especially like people using initials as an attempted dig, seems to happen a lot now and it's rather pathetic.
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There was evidence about another player you didn't accept. But I guess that's different as shoes on the other foot with this.
Oh and BTW, initials... It's a form of flattery
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:27 - Aug 21 with 802 views | StokieBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:25 - Aug 21 by FrimleyBlue |
There was evidence about another player you didn't accept. But I guess that's different as shoes on the other foot with this.
Oh and BTW, initials... It's a form of flattery
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Once again that's not true though is it.
The majority of the evidence that was posted showed Celina was a productive attacking force, both from the published assists data and the data that Joe posted.
It's was opinions and feelings that were saying he wasn't.
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:46 - Aug 21 with 777 views | Zapers |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 19:18 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
Heaven forbid one has a different opinion to them.
Doubly so if it's backed up by evidence.
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Surely the way Burgess played is all the evidence you need?
Maybe get behind the player rather than writing him off?
Shows how little we know, and why the manager thankfully makes the decisions. |  | | |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:47 - Aug 21 with 783 views | Trequartista |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:23 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
A number of other posters said essentially the same thing but haven't been called out.
The original poster said Burgess had a left foot and thus it would be better distribution, we don't know that is why McKenna made the change (as far as I have seen) so you can't confirm that the original opinion matched the managers. He McKenna comes out and says he has better distribution then I will have been totally at odds with the managers opinion.
How is your hot take on Russia blowing up a nuclear power plant going? Still looking a bit CIL to me, much like your pandemic posting.
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No, he just said Burgess to come in for Edmundson and made a negative comment about Edmundson. Why McKenna chose him is irrelevant, you rubbished an opinion (Burgess in for Edmundson), so if you go in hard, expect to take some flak if it backfires. Perhaps other posters didn't go in so hard, or don't have a history of telling people their opinions are rubbish? I don't know, it doesn't make it right however many people did the same thing.
I am glad nothing further has happened yet with the power plant, and very happy to be wrong, so far. I've been a bit paranoid over nuclear war/accidents since the war broke out, as i've alluded to in previous posts.
Not sure what specifically you are referring to about the pandemic. Is it the Omicron predictions I disagreed with where hundreds of thousands were going to be hospitalised, or was it Chris Whitty I disagreed with when he said everything we know about Omicron is bad news (just before Omicron ended the pandemic phase of covid) [Post edited 21 Aug 2022 20:50]
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:49 - Aug 21 with 772 views | Zapers |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 18:54 - Aug 21 by BlueBadger |
I miss the days when all the 'I'm not right wing, I'm not even political' trolls got weird obsessions about me.
I say 'miss'. I mean 'I don't at all miss those days but I still wonder what it is they get out of it'. |
Why bring politics into a football related subject? | | | |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:57 - Aug 21 with 749 views | Zapers |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:47 - Aug 21 by Trequartista |
No, he just said Burgess to come in for Edmundson and made a negative comment about Edmundson. Why McKenna chose him is irrelevant, you rubbished an opinion (Burgess in for Edmundson), so if you go in hard, expect to take some flak if it backfires. Perhaps other posters didn't go in so hard, or don't have a history of telling people their opinions are rubbish? I don't know, it doesn't make it right however many people did the same thing.
I am glad nothing further has happened yet with the power plant, and very happy to be wrong, so far. I've been a bit paranoid over nuclear war/accidents since the war broke out, as i've alluded to in previous posts.
Not sure what specifically you are referring to about the pandemic. Is it the Omicron predictions I disagreed with where hundreds of thousands were going to be hospitalised, or was it Chris Whitty I disagreed with when he said everything we know about Omicron is bad news (just before Omicron ended the pandemic phase of covid) [Post edited 21 Aug 2022 20:50]
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When you’ve been made to look stupid, always best to change tack and try and change the subject! | | | |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:58 - Aug 21 with 749 views | flettonblue |
Could not wait to dive in for the ball when the forward was in front of him and back to goal, gave away far to many free kicks for me. Doesn't seem able to know when it's likely he ll get the ball or not, not first choice. When he keeps it really simple he's most effective. |  | | |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:05 - Aug 21 with 722 views | StokieBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:46 - Aug 21 by Zapers |
Surely the way Burgess played is all the evidence you need?
Maybe get behind the player rather than writing him off?
Shows how little we know, and why the manager thankfully makes the decisions. |
So you base all your opinions off a sample size of one? That's not how to make an evidence based opinion, especially when you have a larger sample size which highlights the points I was making.
I've repeatedly said he did well yesterday but that doesn't change my underlying opinion about him or the fact I think Edmundson is better. It's not having a go at Burgess, simply saying I think he has weaknesses and is a decent reserve who will hopefully do very well for us this season but I don't think he's in Edmundson's class. This isn't a difficult opinion to understand.
Out of interest, do you like pickles?
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:10 - Aug 21 with 703 views | Zapers |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:05 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
So you base all your opinions off a sample size of one? That's not how to make an evidence based opinion, especially when you have a larger sample size which highlights the points I was making.
I've repeatedly said he did well yesterday but that doesn't change my underlying opinion about him or the fact I think Edmundson is better. It's not having a go at Burgess, simply saying I think he has weaknesses and is a decent reserve who will hopefully do very well for us this season but I don't think he's in Edmundson's class. This isn't a difficult opinion to understand.
Out of interest, do you like pickles?
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I love pickles. However I’m not a previous poster so maybe find another route to discredit me? | | | |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:19 - Aug 21 with 690 views | StokieBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:10 - Aug 21 by Zapers |
I love pickles. However I’m not a previous poster so maybe find another route to discredit me? |
Didn't fancy replying to any of the questions posed in the rest of the post about how to construct and evidence based argument or the fact that I was already giving Burgess credit for his performance yesterday?
Who said anything about previous posters? I asked you about foodstuffs. Your response is quite interesting though, you couldn't wait to say you weren't a previous poster.
I'm sure it's nothing.
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:19 - Aug 21 with 687 views | BlueBadger |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:49 - Aug 21 by Zapers |
Why bring politics into a football related subject? |
I think you may be confusing an 'description' with 'politics'. |  |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:35 - Aug 21 with 651 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:27 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
Once again that's not true though is it.
The majority of the evidence that was posted showed Celina was a productive attacking force, both from the published assists data and the data that Joe posted.
It's was opinions and feelings that were saying he wasn't.
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Well it is. No one said he didn't do any of what you showed as evidence. What you failed to appreciate was people felt he had negatives and you refused to acknowledge and appreciate those different opinions to your own. | |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:35 - Aug 21 with 651 views | Zapers |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:19 - Aug 21 by BlueBadger |
I think you may be confusing an 'description' with 'politics'. |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:38 - Aug 21 with 652 views | Zapers |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:19 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
Didn't fancy replying to any of the questions posed in the rest of the post about how to construct and evidence based argument or the fact that I was already giving Burgess credit for his performance yesterday?
Who said anything about previous posters? I asked you about foodstuffs. Your response is quite interesting though, you couldn't wait to say you weren't a previous poster.
I'm sure it's nothing.
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Anyone with an ounce of intelligences would know what you are alluding to.
Goodnight. | | | |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:46 - Aug 21 with 640 views | StokieBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:35 - Aug 21 by FrimleyBlue |
Well it is. No one said he didn't do any of what you showed as evidence. What you failed to appreciate was people felt he had negatives and you refused to acknowledge and appreciate those different opinions to your own. |
"Felt he had negatives".
Different from providing evidence to show he had negatives. Would have loved to have seen heatmaps showing he didn't track back or kilometres run per match showing he was lazy but I don't remember seeing that evidence. I do remember a lot of feelings though and perhaps that is fine and I shouldn't look for evidence and perhaps I will embrace that in the future.
If the above was posted I would be interested in seeing it as the debate them moves on to whether an attacking midfielder should be doing those things.
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:49 - Aug 21 with 629 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 20:23 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
A number of other posters said essentially the same thing but haven't been called out.
The original poster said Burgess had a left foot and thus it would be better distribution, we don't know that is why McKenna made the change (as far as I have seen) so you can't confirm that the original opinion matched the managers. He McKenna comes out and says he has better distribution then I will have been totally at odds with the managers opinion.
How is your hot take on Russia blowing up a nuclear power plant going? Still looking a bit CIL to me, much like your pandemic posting.
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Omicron. | |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:59 - Aug 21 with 601 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:46 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
"Felt he had negatives".
Different from providing evidence to show he had negatives. Would have loved to have seen heatmaps showing he didn't track back or kilometres run per match showing he was lazy but I don't remember seeing that evidence. I do remember a lot of feelings though and perhaps that is fine and I shouldn't look for evidence and perhaps I will embrace that in the future.
If the above was posted I would be interested in seeing it as the debate them moves on to whether an attacking midfielder should be doing those things.
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Phenomenology.
 Literally, phenomenology is the study of “phenomena”: appearances of things, or things as they appear in our experience, or the ways we experience things, thus the meanings things have in our experience. Phenomenology studies conscious experience as experienced from the subjective or first person point of view.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/phenomenology/#:~:text=Literally%2C%20phenome
Probably nonsense though! | |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 22:05 - Aug 21 with 572 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:46 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
"Felt he had negatives".
Different from providing evidence to show he had negatives. Would have loved to have seen heatmaps showing he didn't track back or kilometres run per match showing he was lazy but I don't remember seeing that evidence. I do remember a lot of feelings though and perhaps that is fine and I shouldn't look for evidence and perhaps I will embrace that in the future.
If the above was posted I would be interested in seeing it as the debate them moves on to whether an attacking midfielder should be doing those things.
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Does this heat map tell you anything about tracking back?
https://www.followfollow.com/forum/threads/possible-gers-move-for-ipswich-loanee | |
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| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 22:08 - Aug 21 with 565 views | FrimleyBlue |
| A lot of chatter about Burgess before the game. on 21:46 - Aug 21 by StokieBlue |
"Felt he had negatives".
Different from providing evidence to show he had negatives. Would have loved to have seen heatmaps showing he didn't track back or kilometres run per match showing he was lazy but I don't remember seeing that evidence. I do remember a lot of feelings though and perhaps that is fine and I shouldn't look for evidence and perhaps I will embrace that in the future.
If the above was posted I would be interested in seeing it as the debate them moves on to whether an attacking midfielder should be doing those things.
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I think this is the key SB. It's peoples feelings and their own opinions. The tracking back for example could vary itself between posters. Do they expect an AM to track back to our own box or just track and follow a particular player.
I don't personally remember seeing many call him lazy specifically. But I still stand by he had areas to improve off the ball which KM also picked up on and mentioned.
But personally... your thoughts on burgess are no different to many others and something I personally share with you. But the reason I've brought in the celina discussions is that you were so intent on people providing evidence when this is just a site for people to share their thoughts as you have here without the pressing need to become KM and to provide documentation to defend your personal beliefs. | |
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