| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides 17:16 - Sep 17 with 7489 views | Chrisd |
Disappointing, but I'd have taken a point before the game today. However, since we have found ourselves in L1 over the last few seasons we really do struggle to beat any of the top 6 sides. I wonder what our record is over the last 4 seasons? I'm sure the victories over those top sides you could count on 1 hand as a guess. |  |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 19:56 - Sep 17 with 1453 views | Sawtrich |
I'm not sure why the failure of Lambert's teams to beat top 6 sides is still being thrown at the current team. We've had Cook since then and he was a huge disappointment but as soon as KM came in we beat Wycombe. The Plymouth home game last season was a hugely impressive win.
It's the nature of these games that they are tight and often end in a draw. Sheff Wed, Portsmouth and Plymouth have also failed to beat a top six side today. We're unbeaten and top of the league, there's no need to stress every time we fail to win. |  | | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 19:56 - Sep 17 by Sawtrich |
I'm not sure why the failure of Lambert's teams to beat top 6 sides is still being thrown at the current team. We've had Cook since then and he was a huge disappointment but as soon as KM came in we beat Wycombe. The Plymouth home game last season was a hugely impressive win.
It's the nature of these games that they are tight and often end in a draw. Sheff Wed, Portsmouth and Plymouth have also failed to beat a top six side today. We're unbeaten and top of the league, there's no need to stress every time we fail to win. |
Meant to up you.
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 22:39 - Sep 17 with 1388 views | Bent_double |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 19:56 - Sep 17 by Sawtrich |
I'm not sure why the failure of Lambert's teams to beat top 6 sides is still being thrown at the current team. We've had Cook since then and he was a huge disappointment but as soon as KM came in we beat Wycombe. The Plymouth home game last season was a hugely impressive win.
It's the nature of these games that they are tight and often end in a draw. Sheff Wed, Portsmouth and Plymouth have also failed to beat a top six side today. We're unbeaten and top of the league, there's no need to stress every time we fail to win. |
Don't know why people are accusing the OP of getting stressed out, he's made a valid point - we need to beat the better teams if we are serious about promotion - especially when we are 2-0 up away from home to one of them.
How would we feel if we somehow finish 3rd without beating any of the teams around us all season? The team, and the fans certainly wouldn't be going into the POs with any confidence. |  |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:07 - Sep 18 with 1325 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 22:39 - Sep 17 by Bent_double |
Don't know why people are accusing the OP of getting stressed out, he's made a valid point - we need to beat the better teams if we are serious about promotion - especially when we are 2-0 up away from home to one of them.
How would we feel if we somehow finish 3rd without beating any of the teams around us all season? The team, and the fans certainly wouldn't be going into the POs with any confidence. |
I thought I would do my own research to prove my point. So based on our results against the top 6 - over the last 3 seasons - bear in mind many believed we should be storming L1 with our squad (on paper). Our record reads:
P 34 W 6 D 14 L 15
(We only played 10 games against the top 6 in 2019/20 due to the season finishing abruptly due to Covid)
Therefore, from a possible 102 points, we've picked up 32 from those sides that have finished top 6. This equates to 0.94 pts per game, which is less than 1pt against those sides, we are victorious in 18% (well 17.6%) of those matches. My original post stated that we find it a struggle to beat those better sides and so it has proved and we continue to do it, whether we like it or not. We've done better than I originally thought with 6 wins, because I thought it was 5 or less. It's not just the weaker sides we struggle against in this league.
Food for thought. [Post edited 18 Sep 2022 10:16]
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:38 - Sep 18 with 1303 views | TomTheWriter |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 22:39 - Sep 17 by Bent_double |
Don't know why people are accusing the OP of getting stressed out, he's made a valid point - we need to beat the better teams if we are serious about promotion - especially when we are 2-0 up away from home to one of them.
How would we feel if we somehow finish 3rd without beating any of the teams around us all season? The team, and the fans certainly wouldn't be going into the POs with any confidence. |
In your example, who are the 2 teams that finish above us?
Pompey have played 2 of the top 6, and have picked up 2 points. Should they be worried that they will fall away like Ipswich despite being unbeaten? Plymouth have bucked the trend with 7 points from 3 top 6 games; but lost to 11th and 14th. Are they better than us when they struggle away to mid-table sides?
Wednesday have the best squad in the league - 5 points from 4 games vs top 6. Are we failing behind them? Bolton are on the rise; 1 point from 3 top 6 teams. Is that good enough for 1st and 2nd
Finally, the latest side to end the weekend 6th, Barnsley. 4 points from 3 top 6 games.
Beating the top six doesn't guarantee you promotion. Beating the 5-4-1, low block, 25% possession teams gets you promoted. Keeping every top 6 challenger at arms length gets you promoted, and that means starting the day 4 points ahead of them and ending it at least 4 points ahead of them.
Wigan's record last year was 27 wins, 11 draws and 8 defeats. We need to go 19 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats to match that.
Wigan's defeats last season; vs 3rd, 4th (x2), 5th (x2), 10th, 14th, 17th. 5 points out of 24 against Rotherham, MK Dons, Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday. That's 2nd down to 5th. You beat the bottom, you can afford to slip up at the top |  |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 11:22 - Sep 18 with 1266 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:38 - Sep 18 by TomTheWriter |
In your example, who are the 2 teams that finish above us?
Pompey have played 2 of the top 6, and have picked up 2 points. Should they be worried that they will fall away like Ipswich despite being unbeaten? Plymouth have bucked the trend with 7 points from 3 top 6 games; but lost to 11th and 14th. Are they better than us when they struggle away to mid-table sides?
Wednesday have the best squad in the league - 5 points from 4 games vs top 6. Are we failing behind them? Bolton are on the rise; 1 point from 3 top 6 teams. Is that good enough for 1st and 2nd
Finally, the latest side to end the weekend 6th, Barnsley. 4 points from 3 top 6 games.
Beating the top six doesn't guarantee you promotion. Beating the 5-4-1, low block, 25% possession teams gets you promoted. Keeping every top 6 challenger at arms length gets you promoted, and that means starting the day 4 points ahead of them and ending it at least 4 points ahead of them.
Wigan's record last year was 27 wins, 11 draws and 8 defeats. We need to go 19 wins, 8 draws and 8 defeats to match that.
Wigan's defeats last season; vs 3rd, 4th (x2), 5th (x2), 10th, 14th, 17th. 5 points out of 24 against Rotherham, MK Dons, Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday. That's 2nd down to 5th. You beat the bottom, you can afford to slip up at the top |
Of course beating the top 6 doesn't guarantee promotion, but it helps and stops them getting a significant lead on us, especially as we found last season.
Wigan's record against last season's top 6 - P10 W2 D3 L5 Pts 9
Rotherham's record against last season's top 6 - P10 W3 D4 L3 Pts 13
Sunderland record against last season's top 6 - P10 W6 D1 L3 Pts 19 (excluding Play Offs)
Beating those promotion rivals certainly helps not just statistically, but also mentally as it instils the confidence and belief you can roll them over. We don't do it enough to justify that confidence IMO as 6 wins over the last 3 seasons suggests. [Post edited 18 Sep 2022 20:20]
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 15:00 - Sep 18 with 1204 views | Sawtrich |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:07 - Sep 18 by Chrisd |
I thought I would do my own research to prove my point. So based on our results against the top 6 - over the last 3 seasons - bear in mind many believed we should be storming L1 with our squad (on paper). Our record reads:
P 34 W 6 D 14 L 15
(We only played 10 games against the top 6 in 2019/20 due to the season finishing abruptly due to Covid)
Therefore, from a possible 102 points, we've picked up 32 from those sides that have finished top 6. This equates to 0.94 pts per game, which is less than 1pt against those sides, we are victorious in 18% (well 17.6%) of those matches. My original post stated that we find it a struggle to beat those better sides and so it has proved and we continue to do it, whether we like it or not. We've done better than I originally thought with 6 wins, because I thought it was 5 or less. It's not just the weaker sides we struggle against in this league.
Food for thought. [Post edited 18 Sep 2022 10:16]
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Of course if you want to bring up stats from the Lambert and Cook eras then we're rubbish and not good enough to get promoted, nobody is going to argue with you on that point.
We've done fine since McKenna came in and I'm confident we will continue to do. Draws in these games are a decent result because it prevents fellow promotion chasers picking up three points. | | | |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 15:09 - Sep 18 with 1192 views | Sawtrich |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 11:22 - Sep 18 by Chrisd |
Of course beating the top 6 doesn't guarantee promotion, but it helps and stops them getting a significant lead on us, especially as we found last season.
Wigan's record against last season's top 6 - P10 W2 D3 L5 Pts 9
Rotherham's record against last season's top 6 - P10 W3 D4 L3 Pts 13
Sunderland record against last season's top 6 - P10 W6 D1 L3 Pts 19 (excluding Play Offs)
Beating those promotion rivals certainly helps not just statistically, but also mentally as it instils the confidence and belief you can roll them over. We don't do it enough to justify that confidence IMO as 6 wins over the last 3 seasons suggests. [Post edited 18 Sep 2022 20:20]
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Wigan and Rotherham's record last season suggests victories against fellow top 6 sides are difficult to come by | | | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 15:41 - Sep 18 with 1173 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 15:00 - Sep 18 by Sawtrich |
Of course if you want to bring up stats from the Lambert and Cook eras then we're rubbish and not good enough to get promoted, nobody is going to argue with you on that point.
We've done fine since McKenna came in and I'm confident we will continue to do. Draws in these games are a decent result because it prevents fellow promotion chasers picking up three points. |
It seems the point is being hugely missed by some on this thread, believing I'm complaining about the manager or worried about the side, I'm not. I'm merely pointing out some facts. Does our record improve under KM regarding our results against top 6 sides?
Last season, starting from the Wycombe at home game on 29th December when KM and his staff officially took over:
P5 W1 D2 L2 Pts 5 from a possibly 15. Include the 3 draws against the current top 6 sides from this season and that's 1 win in 8 games and 8 points from a possible 24. Still doesn't look that great. We struggle to beat these sides - full stop. Draws are ok, but if you beat these fellow promotion chasers then that's a 3 point gain, which is huge. | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 07:46 - Sep 19 with 1038 views | Sawtrich |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 15:41 - Sep 18 by Chrisd |
It seems the point is being hugely missed by some on this thread, believing I'm complaining about the manager or worried about the side, I'm not. I'm merely pointing out some facts. Does our record improve under KM regarding our results against top 6 sides?
Last season, starting from the Wycombe at home game on 29th December when KM and his staff officially took over:
P5 W1 D2 L2 Pts 5 from a possibly 15. Include the 3 draws against the current top 6 sides from this season and that's 1 win in 8 games and 8 points from a possible 24. Still doesn't look that great. We struggle to beat these sides - full stop. Draws are ok, but if you beat these fellow promotion chasers then that's a 3 point gain, which is huge. |
Look, I know people aren't complaining about the team or McKenna, we're generally all pleased with the direction we seem to be heading in. Failing to win a game from 2-0 up is frustrating for us all and nobody is saying that is something we should be happy with either.
If you want to point out some facts then you need to be consistent with your definitions. Is a 'top 6 side' ?
a) A team that finishes the season in the top 6
b) A team that is currently (the day you do the stat) in the top 6
c) A team that was in the top 6 on the day we played them.
If you use a mix and match of the above three definitions you can move the 'facts' around a bit to fit whichever argument you fancy. Which is what you have done and fair play to you for that. Political parties have been doing it for years on far more important issues. Anyway, it all gets a bit boring if we just go back tit for tat, especially when we don't disagree too much, so I won't say any more on the subject. All the best, COYB. | | | |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 08:32 - Sep 19 with 1024 views | Churchman |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 19:21 - Sep 17 by Chrisd |
Yes, duly noted and edited. I’m not fretting about the team, it’s more an observation that we seem unable to beat those top 6 sides that often. I appreciate some people don’t like it, but the facts don’t lie. |
This season top six teams seem to be struggling to beat us. In fact they are scrambling to get a point and grateful. Two of them have been lucky to get that. The facts don’t lie.
Yes, it’s frustrating to drop points on Saturday. We’d done the hard work and let it slip. I hope KM and the boys understand how it happened and learn from it. It was frustrating to drop points against Barnsley too. Sadly, it’s going to happen from time to time as it’s sport with two teams wanting the same thing.
The key is positioning. Are we in the mix at the end of September as the meat of the season gets going? Yes. Are we playing well? By and large, yes. Very well. Are the other decent teams looking forward to playing us? Yes. But I bet they’d rather play Morecambe.
Dropping points late in a game? Grrr. Big picture, a decent result, four points in a week, up there, all good. |  | | |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:02 - Sep 19 with 1003 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 07:46 - Sep 19 by Sawtrich |
Look, I know people aren't complaining about the team or McKenna, we're generally all pleased with the direction we seem to be heading in. Failing to win a game from 2-0 up is frustrating for us all and nobody is saying that is something we should be happy with either.
If you want to point out some facts then you need to be consistent with your definitions. Is a 'top 6 side' ?
a) A team that finishes the season in the top 6
b) A team that is currently (the day you do the stat) in the top 6
c) A team that was in the top 6 on the day we played them.
If you use a mix and match of the above three definitions you can move the 'facts' around a bit to fit whichever argument you fancy. Which is what you have done and fair play to you for that. Political parties have been doing it for years on far more important issues. Anyway, it all gets a bit boring if we just go back tit for tat, especially when we don't disagree too much, so I won't say any more on the subject. All the best, COYB. |
I’ve taken the top 6 from the last 3 seasons, that can’t really be any clearer. The only difference is the 3 sides we’ve played this season, who are currently in the top 6, for those saying it’s all different under KM. Naturally, yes those teams might change due to the amount of games left this season and change of form. The fact remains, if we want to stick with your option A - a team that rightly can claim to be a top 6 side after 46 league games - 6 wins in 34 matches doesn’t look great and once again highlights we do in fact struggle to beat those better sides. I hope that clears that up for ðŸ‘. | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:12 - Sep 19 with 1001 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 08:32 - Sep 19 by Churchman |
This season top six teams seem to be struggling to beat us. In fact they are scrambling to get a point and grateful. Two of them have been lucky to get that. The facts don’t lie.
Yes, it’s frustrating to drop points on Saturday. We’d done the hard work and let it slip. I hope KM and the boys understand how it happened and learn from it. It was frustrating to drop points against Barnsley too. Sadly, it’s going to happen from time to time as it’s sport with two teams wanting the same thing.
The key is positioning. Are we in the mix at the end of September as the meat of the season gets going? Yes. Are we playing well? By and large, yes. Very well. Are the other decent teams looking forward to playing us? Yes. But I bet they’d rather play Morecambe.
Dropping points late in a game? Grrr. Big picture, a decent result, four points in a week, up there, all good. |
There certainly appears a different feel about us this season and I do hope that this is the year it works for us and we can get up. The last 3 campaigns have been hugely underwhelming especially with all the nonsense when we’re meant to have the best squad in the league……well according to some of our fans. Nevertheless, we seem to have a stronger resolve about us and are playing a good brand of football under KM, I’d just like us to beat our promotion rivals more regularly to show our superiority, but yes, in the light of day a point a Hillsborough isn’t the worst result in the world. [Post edited 19 Sep 2022 10:18]
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:18 - Sep 19 with 994 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 19:21 - Sep 17 by Chrisd |
Yes, duly noted and edited. I’m not fretting about the team, it’s more an observation that we seem unable to beat those top 6 sides that often. I appreciate some people don’t like it, but the facts don’t lie. |
You're looking at ONLY facts though. No nuance. It was a reasonable point to make last season but it isn't this, because we would've beaten the 'top teams' were it not for poor officiating... and many of the teams we have beaten would be nearer, if not in, the top 6 if we hadn't beaten them!
You're talking like it's a trend and something could/should be done about it. You talk about all teams have decisions go against them but we're talking specifically about two howlers against the top teams you're citing. If it's not a dig at McK or the players or a need to change something, then what point does this thread serve? |  |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:21 - Sep 19 with 991 views | SomethingBlue |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:07 - Sep 18 by Chrisd |
I thought I would do my own research to prove my point. So based on our results against the top 6 - over the last 3 seasons - bear in mind many believed we should be storming L1 with our squad (on paper). Our record reads:
P 34 W 6 D 14 L 15
(We only played 10 games against the top 6 in 2019/20 due to the season finishing abruptly due to Covid)
Therefore, from a possible 102 points, we've picked up 32 from those sides that have finished top 6. This equates to 0.94 pts per game, which is less than 1pt against those sides, we are victorious in 18% (well 17.6%) of those matches. My original post stated that we find it a struggle to beat those better sides and so it has proved and we continue to do it, whether we like it or not. We've done better than I originally thought with 6 wins, because I thought it was 5 or less. It's not just the weaker sides we struggle against in this league.
Food for thought. [Post edited 18 Sep 2022 10:16]
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For a team that apparently struggles against both the weaker and stronger sides you'd have to say we're doing remarkably. | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:23 - Sep 19 with 988 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 22:39 - Sep 17 by Bent_double |
Don't know why people are accusing the OP of getting stressed out, he's made a valid point - we need to beat the better teams if we are serious about promotion - especially when we are 2-0 up away from home to one of them.
How would we feel if we somehow finish 3rd without beating any of the teams around us all season? The team, and the fans certainly wouldn't be going into the POs with any confidence. |
If we'd finish 3rd without beating any of the teams around us all season then yes we'd be worried and this thread would have merit. But we haven't. We're 9 games in. | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:30 - Sep 19 with 980 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:18 - Sep 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're looking at ONLY facts though. No nuance. It was a reasonable point to make last season but it isn't this, because we would've beaten the 'top teams' were it not for poor officiating... and many of the teams we have beaten would be nearer, if not in, the top 6 if we hadn't beaten them!
You're talking like it's a trend and something could/should be done about it. You talk about all teams have decisions go against them but we're talking specifically about two howlers against the top teams you're citing. If it's not a dig at McK or the players or a need to change something, then what point does this thread serve? |
If you look in the record books in years to come it won’t say Ipswich’s results against Sheffield Wednesday(a) and Barnsley (h) were down to poor officiating it will simply show the score line. It’s up to us to buck the trend and put these sides away, so only results can be used otherwise the whole basis of the argument is coulda, shoulda and woulda which is nonsense. Look at the Bolton game at home, will the record books say that Morsy should’ve buried his chance in injury time? Of course it won’t, it will simply read 1-1.
Every side has decisions go against them, we’ve had a couple of stinkers recently but that’s football I’m afraid. Even the use of VAR doesn’t rule mistakes out as we’ve seen.
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:31 - Sep 19 with 978 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 07:46 - Sep 19 by Sawtrich |
Look, I know people aren't complaining about the team or McKenna, we're generally all pleased with the direction we seem to be heading in. Failing to win a game from 2-0 up is frustrating for us all and nobody is saying that is something we should be happy with either.
If you want to point out some facts then you need to be consistent with your definitions. Is a 'top 6 side' ?
a) A team that finishes the season in the top 6
b) A team that is currently (the day you do the stat) in the top 6
c) A team that was in the top 6 on the day we played them.
If you use a mix and match of the above three definitions you can move the 'facts' around a bit to fit whichever argument you fancy. Which is what you have done and fair play to you for that. Political parties have been doing it for years on far more important issues. Anyway, it all gets a bit boring if we just go back tit for tat, especially when we don't disagree too much, so I won't say any more on the subject. All the best, COYB. |
Exactly what he's being doing, spot on. And ignoring teams not being in the top 6 because we've beaten them and thus they got zero points on that occasion.
I'm glad a few people can see through this nonsense. | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:39 - Sep 19 with 972 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:30 - Sep 19 by Chrisd |
If you look in the record books in years to come it won’t say Ipswich’s results against Sheffield Wednesday(a) and Barnsley (h) were down to poor officiating it will simply show the score line. It’s up to us to buck the trend and put these sides away, so only results can be used otherwise the whole basis of the argument is coulda, shoulda and woulda which is nonsense. Look at the Bolton game at home, will the record books say that Morsy should’ve buried his chance in injury time? Of course it won’t, it will simply read 1-1.
Every side has decisions go against them, we’ve had a couple of stinkers recently but that’s football I’m afraid. Even the use of VAR doesn’t rule mistakes out as we’ve seen.
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The record books in years to come will show the full season. Then you might have a point, or not.
You can't use the broadness of the full season, nor the sweeping statement of 'everyone gets bad decisions', when you're talking about the specifics of failing to beat 2 teams. Well you can, but that would be using "facts" poorly at best, and being disingenuous at worst. | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:40 - Sep 19 with 971 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:31 - Sep 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Exactly what he's being doing, spot on. And ignoring teams not being in the top 6 because we've beaten them and thus they got zero points on that occasion.
I'm glad a few people can see through this nonsense. |
Is it? The only time you can accuse me of doing that is probably for the 3 games this season and I’ve explained myself for that, but it still backs up my point. What does 6 wins from 34 games suggest? And let’s not forget many of our fans thought we had one of the best squads in L1 for the last couple of seasons or have I got that wrong too? Sorry, I’m using facts again, I must stop this to justify my point. Let’s not forget what I said in my original post - we seem to struggle to beat the better sides in this league. Am I wrong? | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:43 - Sep 19 with 958 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:40 - Sep 19 by Chrisd |
Is it? The only time you can accuse me of doing that is probably for the 3 games this season and I’ve explained myself for that, but it still backs up my point. What does 6 wins from 34 games suggest? And let’s not forget many of our fans thought we had one of the best squads in L1 for the last couple of seasons or have I got that wrong too? Sorry, I’m using facts again, I must stop this to justify my point. Let’s not forget what I said in my original post - we seem to struggle to beat the better sides in this league. Am I wrong? |
We've struggled in previous seasons. There isn't enough data to suggest we are doing so this season. That's the point. | |
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:46 - Sep 19 with 954 views | Wickets |
I predict that we will beat at least one of the next two sides we play in the league . |  | | |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:51 - Sep 19 with 934 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:39 - Sep 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The record books in years to come will show the full season. Then you might have a point, or not.
You can't use the broadness of the full season, nor the sweeping statement of 'everyone gets bad decisions', when you're talking about the specifics of failing to beat 2 teams. Well you can, but that would be using "facts" poorly at best, and being disingenuous at worst. |
Well I can and every fan for every team across the country in every level of football will and they will complain about decisions going against them. Sheffield Wednesday fans weren’t happy about a couple of decisions on Saturday too, but that doesn’t matter?! I’m not really sure I understand the point you’re making, if you then can’t look at results across a season to see a trend there’s other variables I need to consider. I am looking at it bluntly based on results, but you can’t be that unlucky after 34 matches with officiating decisions surely?! Do I have to consider the ‘dodgy’ officiating of those games? So based on your argument, I’m sure there have been games we’ve won recently due to ‘iffy’ refereeing, but that’s ok because we’ve won those, so ignore that it’s only when we lose or draw they matter? Basing it on results is all you can do. Why do we even compare past results between sides heading into games when those results could’ve been determined by poor officiating?! Past results is all I can realistically use for the point I’m making. [Post edited 19 Sep 2022 11:14]
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:54 - Sep 19 with 920 views | Chrisd |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:43 - Sep 19 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We've struggled in previous seasons. There isn't enough data to suggest we are doing so this season. That's the point. |
So you are agreeing that we struggle to beat the better sides? I can’t keep up!
This season (so far):
ITFC 1-1 Bolton
ITFC 2-2 Barnsley
Wednesday 1-1 ITFC
Naturally, officiating aside.
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| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 11:20 - Sep 19 with 876 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| So frustrating we just can't seem to beat the top 6 sides on 10:54 - Sep 19 by Chrisd |
So you are agreeing that we struggle to beat the better sides? I can’t keep up!
This season (so far):
ITFC 1-1 Bolton
ITFC 2-2 Barnsley
Wednesday 1-1 ITFC
Naturally, officiating aside.
[Post edited 19 Sep 2022 11:17]
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Can you read?
EDIT IN RESPONSE TO YOUR EDIT: Ah, so because Barnsley are 6th as of Saturday they're a 'top 6 side' now?!
Jesus wept. [Post edited 19 Sep 2022 11:23]
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