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I think last nights Rangers v Liverpool result proves their is a massive gulf between the top flight in England and Scotland.
If Celtic and Rangers were allowed to join the EPL they’d be tonked by all the top sides and probably be on a par with the likes of Leeds, Villa and Everton
If they were somehow parachuted into EPL they would see a massive increase in income and could easily assemble squads capable of competing in top half of table.
Don't judge current actual squads / performance vs future may never happen things.
They’d adjust quickly. I think it’s the lack of quality opposition that makes the Old Firm currently so uncompetitive.
Of course, as a Hibs fan, one of the reasons the poor loves get so little competition is they’ve effectively priced everyone else out from competing with them in the SPL. So they get the world’s smallest bagpipes.
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The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 13:37 - Oct 13 by Darth_Koont
They’d adjust quickly. I think it’s the lack of quality opposition that makes the Old Firm currently so uncompetitive.
Of course, as a Hibs fan, one of the reasons the poor loves get so little competition is they’ve effectively priced everyone else out from competing with them in the SPL. So they get the world’s smallest bagpipes.
Glory, glory to the Hibees!
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The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 13:45 - Oct 13 with 2368 views
Liverpool (10th) beat Bournemouth (8th) 9-0 in August, it might show there's a gulf between the top 4 of the EPL and SPL but doesn't prove anything about the whole top flight
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The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 13:31 - Oct 13 by noggin
Understandable given the gulf in finances.
Yes, I think finances are the key point. It affects both Celtic and Rangers but also the standard of the other teams, when compared the Premier League. Things were different in the past, Celtic were the first to win the European Cup and knocked the great Leeds side out in the semi-final in 1970. And as recently as 1992, the first season of the Premier League, Rangers beat Leeds over two legs in the Champions League, and missed out on the final by one point. Of course, it does seem the case that Scotland doesn't produce the quality of player that it once did, but given the dominance of foreign players in the Premier League, this wouldn't be a problem in Scotland if it could attract a better quality of foreign player. At present, it does attract, say, English players but they are not of the quality of players like Butcher and Hately that Rangers attracted in the 1980s. In other words, whatever the quality of George Edmundson, I don't think he is anyway on a par with Butch.
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The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 14:03 - Oct 13 with 2303 views
Very hard to compare. I don't think either Glasgow team is much more than a slightly above average Championship side at present. I have enjoyed watching them both in the last couple of years so maybe that is a bit harsh. However, I'm sure they would both do well at home against most due the large and loud support they receive, so probably could avoid relegation from the Prem.
The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 14:03 - Oct 13 by SlippinJimmyJuan
Very hard to compare. I don't think either Glasgow team is much more than a slightly above average Championship side at present. I have enjoyed watching them both in the last couple of years so maybe that is a bit harsh. However, I'm sure they would both do well at home against most due the large and loud support they receive, so probably could avoid relegation from the Prem.
Were they in the PL, they would get massive investment and with that better players and coaching staff.
The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 14:06 - Oct 13 by noggin
Were they in the PL, they would get massive investment and with that better players and coaching staff.
Of course, that's the main reason it's so difficult to compare. I was thinking more along the lines of if they had been transplanted there at the start of this season and left to fend for themselves.
And yet Odsonne Édouard, Joe Aribo and Ryan Christie seem to be doing OK in the Premiership (and none of them were the biggest stars at their Scottish Premiership clubs.) I think it is a mixture of Klopp getting his game plan right on the night, van Bronkhurst not yet a fully top flight manager and Liverpool having something to prove after a slow start to the domestic season.
The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 19:15 - Oct 13 by Darth_Koont
You a Hibby too?
I didn't start off as one because my dad grew up in an area in Scotland without a football team, but I have become one in the last twenty or so years when I discovered both my dad's parents were born in Leith, and my mum went to the same school in Cupar as the Proclaimers, whose song "Sunshine on Leith" I love.
Sadly, I've yet to see them, given I rarely get up to Scotland.
To my mind this is the best football song ever.
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The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 14:36 - Oct 14 with 1594 views
The SPL isn't anywhere near as strong as the EPL, they're chalk and cheese in terms of the quality throughout the division. No offence to the guy but you only need to look at players like Matt Penney in a mid-table side. As for the top 2, I would actually say Rangers and Celtic are weaker than those clubs you mention right now, but as others have said they would have all the ingredients to become top sides once they've got the greater financial clout and pulling power. Top players don't want to play in the SPL.
The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 14:24 - Oct 14 by DJR
I didn't start off as one because my dad grew up in an area in Scotland without a football team, but I have become one in the last twenty or so years when I discovered both my dad's parents were born in Leith, and my mum went to the same school in Cupar as the Proclaimers, whose song "Sunshine on Leith" I love.
Sadly, I've yet to see them, given I rarely get up to Scotland.
To my mind this is the best football song ever.
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Nice one!
I’m from Leith myself, a few streets away from Easter Road, so it was always the team. Completely different from Ipswich that was my English team so could have been anywhere.
It’s worth a trip. Although early or late in the season –I still maintain that it’s the coldest ground in the UK when the northerly wind comes in over the Firth of Forth.
Agreed re: Sunshine On Leith. The cup final version sends shivers.
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The gulf between the SPL and the EPL on 08:24 - Oct 15 by Darth_Koont
Nice one!
I’m from Leith myself, a few streets away from Easter Road, so it was always the team. Completely different from Ipswich that was my English team so could have been anywhere.
It’s worth a trip. Although early or late in the season –I still maintain that it’s the coldest ground in the UK when the northerly wind comes in over the Firth of Forth.
Agreed re: Sunshine On Leith. The cup final version sends shivers.
That's interesting, and thanks for the advice.
As regards Leith itself, I've found out recently from a cousin that my dad's grandparents (who hailed from Shetland), along with his parents, left it in 1916 to go to Saltcoats because of German airship bombing.
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Watching 'Sportscene' last night I was surprised to learn that VAR is being introduced to the Scottish Premiership from next Friday. Surprised because it seems incongruous to have a VAR suite or whatever paraphernalia is required at somewhere like Ross County where the average home attendance is 4,067 or Livingstone at 4,831. Matt Penney may be playing Premiership football at the moment but it is front of crowds of 5,550 rather than upwards of twenty thousand at Portman Road.
I think these attendances have to be borne in mind when comparing the leagues. Away from Glasgow's big two, whose support would not look out of place in the top six in England, you find that not even the Edinburgh clubs get close to ours and Aberdeen does not even top fifteen thousand. Which might look pathetic until you consider that Scotland's population is only one eighth of England's so I would suggest that the poor performance of Celtic and Rangers in European football in recent seasons has to be seen in the context of having a significant readjustment to perform each time they face top level opposition.
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