| Oxford has a lot to answer for 10:35 - Oct 26 with 3795 views | DJR |
According to the Guardian.
"As a prime-ministerial Oxford graduate, Sunak continues a line at Number 10 that stretches back to the start of world war two: other than Gordon Brown, every prime minister who attended university was educated at Oxford."
Perhaps not surprising that this mirrors our decline as a nation, to the point where we have waiting lists of 7 million and public services that are at breaking point.
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:01 - Oct 26 with 1878 views | Trequartista |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 16:04 - Oct 26 by Radlett_blue |
Getting into Oxford involves an entrance exam, not just using contacts. Truss's father is Emeritus Professor of Mathematics at Leeds University so I would suggest he at least is quite bright. Truss qualified as a Chartered Management Accountant so I doubt she is anywhere near as tick as some are suggesting, although yes, in her short time as PM she demonstrated appalling political judgement. |
Some courses have an entrance exam, some just have an interview. |  |
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:04 - Oct 26 with 1871 views | DJR |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 16:04 - Oct 26 by Radlett_blue |
Getting into Oxford involves an entrance exam, not just using contacts. Truss's father is Emeritus Professor of Mathematics at Leeds University so I would suggest he at least is quite bright. Truss qualified as a Chartered Management Accountant so I doubt she is anywhere near as tick as some are suggesting, although yes, in her short time as PM she demonstrated appalling political judgement. |
Interestingly, the class of Truss' degree is mysterious which does suggest she has hidden it and it is not something she is proud of. The only thing I've managed to find is a Tweet which suggests she merely got a pass (not honours), and so didn't even get a third class degree. Of course, it is possible that she spent all her time on politics, but you would think with her ambition that she would have wanted a decent degree. Indeed, anyone capable of going to Oxford ought at least to be good enough to get a third, however little work they put in. | | | |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:05 - Oct 26 with 1873 views | DJR |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:01 - Oct 26 by Trequartista |
Some courses have an entrance exam, some just have an interview. |
And that interview must be a bit easier if the interview knows your dad, or a teacher at your school. | | | |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:08 - Oct 26 with 1865 views | tractordownsouth |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 10:55 - Oct 26 by DJR |
But don't you see that the two go hand in hand? Without the public school system, Oxbridge wouldn't have the grip on power that it does. If you look, for example, at journalists at the Guardian, they are in the main to a man (or woman) Oxbridge educated. The thing is that Corbyn threatened this cosy system, and just look what the entire media did to bring him down. |
With private schools I'd be interested to know how much of the success of their former pupils comes from the education itself or the connections it brings, I'd argue that the latter plays a large part in it.
My college wasn't private and had really small class numbers - all of my A-level classes had 12 people or fewer, and one of them had only 4. The college achieves good grades unsurprisingly, but with the caveat of it being less than 5 years since I left, I can't think of anybody who is on the path to the type of career that many who leave the private school system have, even though the teacher to student ratio was similar. A lot of it probably comes down to connections - there aren't many state-educated families in Cornwall who know people working in Canary Wharf or Fleet Street and can use these contacts to get their kids a job after university. Whereas if you're at Eton, you're likely to develop a network of friends whose parents work in competitive and financially lucrative professions.
It's an interesting debate but one that can probably never truly be quantified. [Post edited 26 Oct 2022 18:09]
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:09 - Oct 26 with 1856 views | DJR |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 17:54 - Oct 26 by factual_blue |
The Smart Kid in my year at school went to Brasenose College, read English and spent his entire career as an academic as a philologist, writing useful treatises with titles like 'The derivation of Old English geolu "yellow", and the relative chronology of smoothing and back-mutation.' |
I bet you have all his academic books and writings on your bookshelf. | | | |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:12 - Oct 26 with 1854 views | HARRY10 |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:05 - Oct 26 by DJR |
And that interview must be a bit easier if the interview knows your dad, or a teacher at your school. |
Yes, it is not like Truss would not have been advised to avoid saying
"ah like lard me, 'appen'
The next government need to begin the removal of obvious privilege, by treating private schools as businesses, which they are
No extra tax.
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:16 - Oct 26 with 1846 views | XYZ |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:08 - Oct 26 by tractordownsouth |
With private schools I'd be interested to know how much of the success of their former pupils comes from the education itself or the connections it brings, I'd argue that the latter plays a large part in it.
My college wasn't private and had really small class numbers - all of my A-level classes had 12 people or fewer, and one of them had only 4. The college achieves good grades unsurprisingly, but with the caveat of it being less than 5 years since I left, I can't think of anybody who is on the path to the type of career that many who leave the private school system have, even though the teacher to student ratio was similar. A lot of it probably comes down to connections - there aren't many state-educated families in Cornwall who know people working in Canary Wharf or Fleet Street and can use these contacts to get their kids a job after university. Whereas if you're at Eton, you're likely to develop a network of friends whose parents work in competitive and financially lucrative professions.
It's an interesting debate but one that can probably never truly be quantified. [Post edited 26 Oct 2022 18:09]
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"The old school tie" | | | |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:38 - Oct 26 with 1819 views | DJR |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:08 - Oct 26 by tractordownsouth |
With private schools I'd be interested to know how much of the success of their former pupils comes from the education itself or the connections it brings, I'd argue that the latter plays a large part in it.
My college wasn't private and had really small class numbers - all of my A-level classes had 12 people or fewer, and one of them had only 4. The college achieves good grades unsurprisingly, but with the caveat of it being less than 5 years since I left, I can't think of anybody who is on the path to the type of career that many who leave the private school system have, even though the teacher to student ratio was similar. A lot of it probably comes down to connections - there aren't many state-educated families in Cornwall who know people working in Canary Wharf or Fleet Street and can use these contacts to get their kids a job after university. Whereas if you're at Eton, you're likely to develop a network of friends whose parents work in competitive and financially lucrative professions.
It's an interesting debate but one that can probably never truly be quantified. [Post edited 26 Oct 2022 18:09]
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Connections are certainly key because, for example, they get you that summer internship. But equally important is the confidence that the public school system instils. And for those who don't go to public school, Oxbridge also appears to instil that confidence. Just take Truss as an example. Confidence and not ability got her to where she is, and she is so cocky that she doesn't seem to believe she got anything wrong. [Post edited 26 Oct 2022 18:39]
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:39 - Oct 26 with 1818 views | eireblue |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 17:54 - Oct 26 by factual_blue |
The Smart Kid in my year at school went to Brasenose College, read English and spent his entire career as an academic as a philologist, writing useful treatises with titles like 'The derivation of Old English geolu "yellow", and the relative chronology of smoothing and back-mutation.' |
You are just going to drop that on us and leave it at that are you?
Man, that’s a cold play, I bet I won’t be the only one looking up at the stars trying to sleep and wondering about geolu derivation. |  | | |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:40 - Oct 26 with 1813 views | WeWereZombies |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:38 - Oct 26 by DJR |
Connections are certainly key because, for example, they get you that summer internship. But equally important is the confidence that the public school system instils. And for those who don't go to public school, Oxbridge also appears to instil that confidence. Just take Truss as an example. Confidence and not ability got her to where she is, and she is so cocky that she doesn't seem to believe she got anything wrong. [Post edited 26 Oct 2022 18:39]
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Liz Truss did not get anything wrong.
She was just not on the right planet for her policies to work. |  |
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:45 - Oct 26 with 1803 views | jaykay |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 10:39 - Oct 26 by GlasgowBlue |
Some great Oxford educated Prime Ministers such as Churchill, Attlee, Thatcher and Blair in that list. |
so we can sub churchill for wilson |  |
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:47 - Oct 26 with 1804 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 11:14 - Oct 26 by WeWereZombies |
Oxford does, however, lag considerably behind Cambridge when it comes to cultivating double agents... |
We yes, this is the thing and I was just wondering why Oxford have the monopoly on Prime Ministers. Do you think they've got a gentleman's agreement (let's face it, they wouldn't trust the word of a woman!) that Oxford does the politicians and Cambridge the spies? It's a bit odd.
You can get decent, gerounded, humble people turned out of Oxford. I know a few and may even be married to one. But there's something about that private school/Oxbridge/politics axis of evil that turns out sociopathic nutters. Or maybe sociopathic nutters are attracted to private school/Oxbridge/politics. Chicken and egg and all that. |  |
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:48 - Oct 26 with 1804 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Yet more evidence of Oxford time wasters. |  |
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:49 - Oct 26 with 1803 views | eireblue |
An amusing thing to do, is see if you can find the failures rate for people that go to Oxford.
I wonder how many people fail at PPE.
As one person told me once, to fail at Oxford you must be try very hard to be particularly stupid. | | | |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:56 - Oct 26 with 1794 views | HARRY10 |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:16 - Oct 26 by XYZ |
"The old school tie" |
Very much the case.
There was a TV programme comparing a private school witha state one.. the frmer placed much empahsis on preparing the pupils for life after school. Attending dinners with local worthies, so as to not only learn how to behave, but introducing them
You cannot polish a tird as the saying goes, and all Eton can do in many acses is to turn out bet https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/faqter spoke idiots (Rees-Mogg*)
One of the benfits is that later in life you are connected enough to access various charities, and even sit of the committe running them
A cahrity in my village received funds to provide education for poor boys - an annual grant, clothes equipment etc. it was thought dormant, and/or little known about t until the late 80's when it was found that it had been used by the local vicar to pay for his sons fees at a well known private chool. it appeared there was abursary from the church with an amount from the parent (charity). The vicar in questioned claimed the records were lost and resigned shortly after.Due to retire, he took early retirement and moved away.
Subsequent investigation found that another village charity which provided poor widows of the parish with an amount of coal each winter had seen it's recipients increase with numerous well healed retirees getting the money (no longer coal). the vicar had unsurprisingly co opted two of these women onto the committee.
I only learned of this much later, having moved away. The income was derived from the rent from certain parcels of land left as a charity centuries back. Those familiar with The Warden by Anthony Trollope will better understand this. The view then and now being that the poor would not benefit from 'over generous' hand outs, and so the money would be better given to young Fiona for piano lessons rather than Chardonay from the council estate for shoes.
I would suggest these and other examples are widespread. Wealthy people quietly making off with money not intended for them, by the simply expedient of being 'in the know'. Trusted types who are not going to rock the boat.
Popped up by innumerable cap doffers whose anger is all too often directed at those challenging that conditions, as witnessed on here. | | | |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 19:21 - Oct 26 with 1776 views | Radlett_blue |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:12 - Oct 26 by HARRY10 |
Yes, it is not like Truss would not have been advised to avoid saying
"ah like lard me, 'appen'
The next government need to begin the removal of obvious privilege, by treating private schools as businesses, which they are
No extra tax.
Just treat them as another business |
I'm in favour of the charitable status of private schools being removed. |  |
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 00:43 - Oct 27 with 1727 views | jeera |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 18:16 - Oct 26 by XYZ |
"The old school tie" |
The implication earlier in the thread made me think of John Prescott and I was trying to find a clip of Room 101 to post where he chose exactly that to go into oblivion.
I know he wasn't to everyone's taste, including my own for some time, but he had a few truths to say about the Old School Tie and its connections.
Couldn't find a clip though but I should think most have seen the episode at some point. |  |
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| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 01:12 - Oct 27 with 1718 views | XYZ |
| Oxford has a lot to answer for on 00:43 - Oct 27 by jeera |
The implication earlier in the thread made me think of John Prescott and I was trying to find a clip of Room 101 to post where he chose exactly that to go into oblivion.
I know he wasn't to everyone's taste, including my own for some time, but he had a few truths to say about the Old School Tie and its connections.
Couldn't find a clip though but I should think most have seen the episode at some point. |
Blair was nothing without Prescott. | | | |
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