| Anybody else seen 17:48 - Oct 26 with 11474 views | factual_blue |
that appalling racist picture about rishi?
It shows 10 Downing Street transformed into a corner shop, with the caption 'and he's only been there five hours'.
Unsurprisingly, both people who sent it to me are part of the never, ever racist golfing community. |  |
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| Anybody else seen on 14:10 - Oct 27 with 1875 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Anybody else seen on 13:58 - Oct 27 by GlasgowBlue |
You’re attributing words to me that I didn’t use.
When LFC tweeted sending wishes to their Jewish fans for Yom Kippur, there were a number of antisemitic replies from their supporters.
I actually posted that Liverpool fans were showing their usual lack of class. This followed their recent distasteful chants regarding the late Queen and historical tweets on Jewish holidays. That is completely irrelevant to the debate we are having in this thread.
You are desperately trying to shoehorn that in to this one for some bizarre reason. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 14:07]
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Ok, I retract that you used “scousers” but you did brand an entire fans base showing their “usual” lack of class based on some anonymous users on a Twitter account making some poor comments.
It’s still stereotyping a broad group of people based on what some people typed on a Twitter thread, and you believe that’s “usual” of Liverpool Supporters
Just find it quite hypocritical that you call out some people for their prejudices or lazy stereotypes etc but fail to consider the contradiction of what you posted.
I’m sure you will twist this around somehow and fail to even consider the point by deflecting or whataboutery but what you posted is flawed [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 14:11]
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| Anybody else seen on 14:17 - Oct 27 with 1861 views | bazza |
| Anybody else seen on 10:11 - Oct 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Very much this. Attack Johnson for being a vile and deplorable human being. There is so much to attack him for that doesn't involve body shaming. I didn't like it when people on the right used to do the same to Diane Abbott.
It's like when people attack Braveman and Patel as the daughters of immigrants when highlighting their loathsome immigration policies. It is defining them by their colour. They don't have to be grateful that this country gave their parents a home and life here. It shouldn't define them. They are loathsome and vile individuals in their own right. It's basically telling them that they should be grateful for where they are now and that should define them as politicians.
No it shouldn't. C**ts are c**ts. Whether they are white or POC. Straight or gay. Overweight or thin.
One thing we are starting to see with a diverse Parliamentary Conservative party with so many members of the BAME community being represented in high offices of State is that POC can hold positions that not all of us agree with. They shouldn't be put into a box or labeled. |
Do you genuinely think he’s a vile and deplorable human being? |  | | |
| Anybody else seen on 14:27 - Oct 27 with 1828 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anybody else seen on 14:10 - Oct 27 by PassionNotAnger |
Ok, I retract that you used “scousers” but you did brand an entire fans base showing their “usual” lack of class based on some anonymous users on a Twitter account making some poor comments.
It’s still stereotyping a broad group of people based on what some people typed on a Twitter thread, and you believe that’s “usual” of Liverpool Supporters
Just find it quite hypocritical that you call out some people for their prejudices or lazy stereotypes etc but fail to consider the contradiction of what you posted.
I’m sure you will twist this around somehow and fail to even consider the point by deflecting or whataboutery but what you posted is flawed [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 14:11]
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You are obviously looking for a row. And not for the first time. I won’t be indulging you.
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| Anybody else seen on 14:27 - Oct 27 with 1836 views | bazza |
I saw one of him driving a tuk tuk to work? It did amuse me slightly I won’t lie. | | | |
| Anybody else seen on 14:31 - Oct 27 with 1798 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anybody else seen on 14:17 - Oct 27 by bazza |
Do you genuinely think he’s a vile and deplorable human being? |
Yes I do. | |
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| Anybody else seen on 14:36 - Oct 27 with 1777 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Anybody else seen on 14:27 - Oct 27 by GlasgowBlue |
You are obviously looking for a row. And not for the first time. I won’t be indulging you.
Bye. |
Yeah you ignored the point the first time for some reason?
I’m not spoiling for a row, I’m highlighting a contradiction which you fail to acknowledge. As someone that routinely (often fairly IMHO) calls out prejudice of varying degrees then surely it’s not unreasonable for someone to question if you hold yourself to the same standards.
I think we are all guilty of prejudice at some point, it’s just healthier if we admit and learn from it rather than ignoring or doubling down on it | | | |
| Anybody else seen on 14:44 - Oct 27 with 1774 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anybody else seen on 08:25 - Oct 27 by MalcolmMeatballHead |
Is it any different to some of you lot calling Boris a 'fat C**t' like a lot of you seem to take pleasure in doing? |
Harry and possibly Badger do this. I am not sure there are "a lot" who do.
Terese Coffey, quite rightly, got questioned over her suitability for Health Secretary due to her weight and smoking. If there was clear evidence that she had done a lot to manage her weight in a healthy way but struggled to do so that would be different. However, she is all for lack of regulation and free choice (backed especially by the tobacco lobby).
I think several have pulled Harry up for the personal abuse of Boris and others, but Harry won't listen as I am sure you are aware already. |  |
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| Anybody else seen on 14:46 - Oct 27 with 1767 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anybody else seen on 18:05 - Oct 26 by HARRY10 |
One of the dubious 'pleasures of being white is having casual racist remarks made to you on the basis you naturally agree
It was one of the keystones of brexit
I never came across anyone making those remarks who supported Remain |
Every racist was a Brexiteer even though not every Brexiteer was a racist. In such a close vote, it is certain the racist element made all the difference to the outcome.
Just casual observations of mine drawn from anecdotal evidence and not any statistical analysis. | |
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| Anybody else seen on 14:49 - Oct 27 with 1760 views | usm |
| Anybody else seen on 14:44 - Oct 27 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Harry and possibly Badger do this. I am not sure there are "a lot" who do.
Terese Coffey, quite rightly, got questioned over her suitability for Health Secretary due to her weight and smoking. If there was clear evidence that she had done a lot to manage her weight in a healthy way but struggled to do so that would be different. However, she is all for lack of regulation and free choice (backed especially by the tobacco lobby).
I think several have pulled Harry up for the personal abuse of Boris and others, but Harry won't listen as I am sure you are aware already. |
I'm sure he was particularly abusive of all Tories and anyone who votes for them, but he's still here.
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| Anybody else seen on 15:06 - Oct 27 with 1727 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Anybody else seen on 09:27 - Oct 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Quite a lot of difference. In general, fat people are fat because of their lifestyle choices. I accept there are people with medical conditions who are over weight through no fault of their own. There are also mental health issues that drive people into over eating.
However, body shaming is unacceptable and hurtful. People classed as obese have been driven to suicide due to relentless bullying due to their appearance. I don’t like it and I hate seeing people on here turn a blind eye to it just because it is aimed at somebody who they loathe and detest.
However, racism and racial stereotypes or tropes have been used for centuries to either dehumanise people of colour, discriminate against them, mock and abuse them or keep them “in their place”.
People of colour have no choice in their skin colour. They will be abused for it. As their parents were, and their parents before. People have been put in chains and used as slaves because they were deemed inferior because if their skin colour.
So neither is acceptable, but racism if by far more abhorrent than body shaming.
Edit. I started writing this reply to highlight the difference between body shaming and racism but as I’ve typed it I’m even more annoyed that body shaming is seen as acceptable ad condoned on here. It shouldn’t be. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 9:29]
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Absolutely this.
I initially thought it strange that Patel and Braverman would be anti-immigration. Ironically, it was those two who made me realize I was viewing them through their skin colour. As soon as you stop doing that, their anti-immigrant views don't seem strange at all. Quite the opposite; it's easy to understand why they are anti-immigrant, as they're just racist/xenophobic. One doesn't need a 'pulling up the ladder' narrative to emphasise the point. Their actions are enough. |  |
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| Anybody else seen on 15:12 - Oct 27 with 1707 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Anybody else seen on 15:06 - Oct 27 by Swansea_Blue |
Absolutely this.
I initially thought it strange that Patel and Braverman would be anti-immigration. Ironically, it was those two who made me realize I was viewing them through their skin colour. As soon as you stop doing that, their anti-immigrant views don't seem strange at all. Quite the opposite; it's easy to understand why they are anti-immigrant, as they're just racist/xenophobic. One doesn't need a 'pulling up the ladder' narrative to emphasise the point. Their actions are enough. |
I think the pulling up the drawbridge idea is just showing the rank hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness and empathy of their position. It is not about skin colour, but those who have personally been affected by their parents being able to do what they are determined to stop others doing. Plenty of white people whose parents have come here with the same hypocritical views too. | |
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| Anybody else seen on 15:43 - Oct 27 with 1665 views | BlueBadger |
| Anybody else seen on 08:25 - Oct 27 by MalcolmMeatballHead |
Is it any different to some of you lot calling Boris a 'fat C**t' like a lot of you seem to take pleasure in doing? |
Boris could decide to to stop being both fat and a c**t.
Sunak can't stop being brown. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 15:46]
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| Anybody else seen on 15:44 - Oct 27 with 1657 views | BlueBadger |
| Anybody else seen on 14:49 - Oct 27 by usm |
I'm sure he was particularly abusive of all Tories and anyone who votes for them, but he's still here.
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In all fairness, if you still vote for them after the past 12 years, it's fair shout that you're either very thick, a bit of a c**t or both. | |
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| Anybody else seen on 15:46 - Oct 27 with 1654 views | BlueBadger |
| Anybody else seen on 08:53 - Oct 27 by Pinewoodblue |
The one I’ve seen involving Larry he is explaining how he has taken in another stray and not sure how long he will stay. Then some comment about the previous stray being a pain in the ‘not neck’. |
There's one about him deciding to leave number 10 because he doesn't fancy ending up in a curry. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 23:21]
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| Anybody else seen on 15:48 - Oct 27 with 1641 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anybody else seen on 15:46 - Oct 27 by BlueBadger |
There's one about him deciding to leave number 10 because he doesn't fancy ending up in a curry. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 23:21]
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| Anybody else seen on 16:20 - Oct 27 with 1613 views | leitrimblue |
| Anybody else seen on 15:44 - Oct 27 by BlueBadger |
In all fairness, if you still vote for them after the past 12 years, it's fair shout that you're either very thick, a bit of a c**t or both. |
Think you've just accidentally hit on their next election campaign slogan. If your very thick or a bit of a c**t why not vote tory? |  | | |
| Anybody else seen on 16:28 - Oct 27 with 1602 views | factual_blue |
| Anybody else seen on 15:43 - Oct 27 by BlueBadger |
Boris could decide to to stop being both fat and a c**t.
Sunak can't stop being brown. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 15:46]
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One is reminded of the exchange that may or may not have taken place between Bessie Braddock MP, and Winston Churchill.
BB: You, sir, are drunk.
WC: Indeed I am madam, but in the morning I will be sober. You, on the other hand, will still be ugly.
(On a point of information; by any measurement WC was rarely sober. He was nicely oiled before his lunch time pint of Champagne) | |
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| Anybody else seen on 17:08 - Oct 27 with 1566 views | jeera |
| Anybody else seen on 08:25 - Oct 27 by MalcolmMeatballHead |
Is it any different to some of you lot calling Boris a 'fat C**t' like a lot of you seem to take pleasure in doing? |
Yes. |  |
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| Anybody else seen on 17:54 - Oct 27 with 1537 views | DJR |
| Anybody else seen on 13:11 - Oct 27 by GlasgowBlue |
We'll not agree on this one Dan. But it's a pet hate of mine.
I believe people should be judged on their own merits. Or lack of. Everyone should be a blank canvass.
There is a reason why one of th examples in the IHRA Definition of Antisemitism has is “Drawing of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis”.*
It's not attacking the Israelis for their appalling actions towards Palestinians. There are plenty of examples of nations acting appallingly towards other peoples. Any of those comparisons would be fine. But by comparing their actions to what happened to Jews under the Nazis it is attacking Israelis for their Jewishness.
So by extension, I think attacking 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants on their immigration policies by invoking how they themselves ended up being British citizens is defining them by their ethnicity.
As I say, we'll disagree on this but that's my view.
*For those wanting to take this thread down a well trodden road, don't bother. I was using the IHRA example purely for the purpose of this thread. |
Without wanting to take this further, and never having expressed an opinion on this forum before about the subject, it is interesting to note that more than 60 Jewish members of the Labour Party (including someone I know well) have been investigated, suspended or expelled from the party for antisemitism because of their opposition to the actions of the State of Israel. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 18:00]
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| Anybody else seen on 18:52 - Oct 27 with 1498 views | Radlett_blue |
I play golf a lot and am regularly appalled by some of the racist, right wing politics of people with whom I sometimes have to play. I generally try to avoid the subject with people whom I don't know & then try to avoid such people in the future. |  |
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| Anybody else seen on 23:23 - Oct 27 with 1436 views | BlueBadger |
| Anybody else seen on 08:25 - Oct 27 by MalcolmMeatballHead |
Is it any different to some of you lot calling Boris a 'fat C**t' like a lot of you seem to take pleasure in doing? |
Ah, this week'sPaz tribute act. I look forward to you having a meltdown, getting weird and stalky and getting banned in about a fortnight. | |
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| Anybody else seen on 10:04 - Oct 28 with 1372 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anybody else seen on 17:54 - Oct 27 by DJR |
Without wanting to take this further, and never having expressed an opinion on this forum before about the subject, it is interesting to note that more than 60 Jewish members of the Labour Party (including someone I know well) have been investigated, suspended or expelled from the party for antisemitism because of their opposition to the actions of the State of Israel. [Post edited 27 Oct 2022 18:00]
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They would have only been investigated, suspended or expelled from the party for antisemitism because of their opposition to the actions of the State of Israel, if that opposition had manifested itself into anti semitic language.
Opposing the brutal actions towards Palestinians by the Israeli government is not anti semitic. | |
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| Anybody else seen on 10:16 - Oct 28 with 1358 views | DJR |
| Anybody else seen on 10:04 - Oct 28 by GlasgowBlue |
They would have only been investigated, suspended or expelled from the party for antisemitism because of their opposition to the actions of the State of Israel, if that opposition had manifested itself into anti semitic language.
Opposing the brutal actions towards Palestinians by the Israeli government is not anti semitic. |
Don't you see the nonsense of the position you are trying to argue, namely, that Jewish people can be antisemitic?
Anyway, this will definitely be my last intervention on an area that has really become out of bounds for discussion. [Post edited 28 Oct 2022 10:18]
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| Anybody else seen on 10:26 - Oct 28 with 1312 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Anybody else seen on 10:16 - Oct 28 by DJR |
Don't you see the nonsense of the position you are trying to argue, namely, that Jewish people can be antisemitic?
Anyway, this will definitely be my last intervention on an area that has really become out of bounds for discussion. [Post edited 28 Oct 2022 10:18]
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Well we weren't taking this any further but I felt I should have the right to reply. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't want this to go down such a well trodden road. It's been done to death on here.
But yes, Jewish people can be anti semitic.
Gilad Atzmon is probably the most well known contemporary Jewish anti semite and Holocaust denier. Tony Greenstein was recently expelled from the Labour party for antisemitism and recently lost a libel case against Campaign Against Antisemitism, who branded him a ‘notorious antisemite’
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/tony-greenstein-loses-appeal-over-being-called-a-no
This is a quite an informative read.
https://jewishunpacked.com/can-jews-be-antisemitic/
But once again, I'm not practically minded to go down this road on this thread. | |
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| Anybody else seen on 10:41 - Oct 28 with 1287 views | DJR |
| Anybody else seen on 10:26 - Oct 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Well we weren't taking this any further but I felt I should have the right to reply. As I said earlier in the thread, I don't want this to go down such a well trodden road. It's been done to death on here.
But yes, Jewish people can be anti semitic.
Gilad Atzmon is probably the most well known contemporary Jewish anti semite and Holocaust denier. Tony Greenstein was recently expelled from the Labour party for antisemitism and recently lost a libel case against Campaign Against Antisemitism, who branded him a ‘notorious antisemite’
https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/tony-greenstein-loses-appeal-over-being-called-a-no
This is a quite an informative read.
https://jewishunpacked.com/can-jews-be-antisemitic/
But once again, I'm not practically minded to go down this road on this thread. |
You're obviously like me and like to get the last word in, but this time I'll change the habits of a lifetime and not rise to your bait! [Post edited 28 Oct 2022 10:42]
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