| its started.... on 09:11 - Nov 2 with 2319 views | Dyland |
| its started.... on 00:01 - Nov 2 by Argyle_Fan |
'All other stats other than points' - what is that exactly? 'expected goals'?
- Most goals in the top 4 leagues after Man City, which I should add do not include any free-kick/corner goals. 2 pens and the rest open play.
- Something like the 1st team to reach 40+ points in all the way to the bottom pro rank division.
- Undefeated in 16 in all competitions.
- 9 home wins out of 9
- Plenty of goalscorers (League Goals - Hardie & Whittaker - 7 each, Azaz and Ennis - 6 each, Cosgrove - 5)
- 14 points from losing positions after 17 games, the highest in the top 4 leagues.
If that is an 'average' team then please show me what a good team looks like. I think like many fans, you have run into this idea that we aren't very good because our most recent form has slightly tailed off. Yet we are still coasting through some of these very recent games (Accrington, MK Dons, Rovers first half), and in the case of last night (which by the way was (a) in swirling wind and rain and (b) a local derby, still had way too much for Exeter to cope with by the end of the game, and frankly another 20 minutes and we could have had 6. But because we are little old Plymouth, we can't possible be that good can we.
But I look forward to 'all other stats but not points' and actually wonder if there is anything to this other than the expected goals thing. You mention matchwinners of Whittaker and Mumba but don't mention our other top scorer Hardie who has 7 league goals, or Ennis on 6? Do they not contribute or are they just 'average'?
I hate to break it to you mate but I can tell you now that our fans aren't worried like your fans were under Lambert. We're not playing poorly at all (bar a slight dip in standards of late in some games) and provided we keep our loanees and the squad can get through injuries (of which we have at least 5 now), we can more than smash that 100+ point record. We hit 80 points last year (losing only Camara), and we are now much stronger offensively and are scoring goals relentlessly. Realistically, we will be north of 50 before 23 games. Our home form is unlikely to suddenly tail off and see us lose multiple home games, and we have played all the top sides at home already. |
Every Town fan except the most clueless would not compare the Pilgrims currently to Lambert's effort in Town's first div 3 season. We were winning by the odd goal and scoring with only one or two attempts on target. Pilgrims currently a whole different proposition and most or at least a lot of Town fans don't see you tailing off except through bad luck with injuries. Great effort and props to the management.
The one thing that jars with me from certain Town fans here (and not sure half of them even are!) is the idea you are far better than us. Apart from some clinical finishing including some brilliant goals and you lacking our occasional sloppiness at the back and gifting goals, we are pretty evens. Some seem to base Town play on the odd spell in the odd game. It's inverted blue tinted specs and pretty much nonsense. As the Argyle vs Town game showed, imo.
Good luck with the season, I hope you stuff all our competition for the top two :)
EDIT: Just to add... Town still developing... we are showing what we are capable of and unless we have some awful luck think we'll eliminate most of the sloppiness over the coming months... and hopefully stay in top two despite the odd lapse, which we have shown is possible by dint or, er being second. Argyle are the proper article already, and not surprised they are relentlessly still piling on the points. One or two others will start showing similar form methinks, and the season will go the same as last year with top six on silly points, and top four well ahead. [Post edited 2 Nov 2022 9:35]
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| its started.... on 09:21 - Nov 2 with 2279 views | HighgateBlue |
| its started.... on 14:17 - Nov 1 by textbackup |
their manager also made mention that he saw his goal, but also his mistake for first goal. he wont go back there this season |
I think you're likely right on that. Great project for him to be part of, and will do wonders for his development. Unless Nodge get further injuries in the coming weeks you'd think he'll stay (based on the manager's comments as well as common sense). |  | | |
| its started.... on 09:45 - Nov 2 with 2248 views | NthQldITFC |
| its started.... on 00:01 - Nov 2 by Argyle_Fan |
'All other stats other than points' - what is that exactly? 'expected goals'?
- Most goals in the top 4 leagues after Man City, which I should add do not include any free-kick/corner goals. 2 pens and the rest open play.
- Something like the 1st team to reach 40+ points in all the way to the bottom pro rank division.
- Undefeated in 16 in all competitions.
- 9 home wins out of 9
- Plenty of goalscorers (League Goals - Hardie & Whittaker - 7 each, Azaz and Ennis - 6 each, Cosgrove - 5)
- 14 points from losing positions after 17 games, the highest in the top 4 leagues.
If that is an 'average' team then please show me what a good team looks like. I think like many fans, you have run into this idea that we aren't very good because our most recent form has slightly tailed off. Yet we are still coasting through some of these very recent games (Accrington, MK Dons, Rovers first half), and in the case of last night (which by the way was (a) in swirling wind and rain and (b) a local derby, still had way too much for Exeter to cope with by the end of the game, and frankly another 20 minutes and we could have had 6. But because we are little old Plymouth, we can't possible be that good can we.
But I look forward to 'all other stats but not points' and actually wonder if there is anything to this other than the expected goals thing. You mention matchwinners of Whittaker and Mumba but don't mention our other top scorer Hardie who has 7 league goals, or Ennis on 6? Do they not contribute or are they just 'average'?
I hate to break it to you mate but I can tell you now that our fans aren't worried like your fans were under Lambert. We're not playing poorly at all (bar a slight dip in standards of late in some games) and provided we keep our loanees and the squad can get through injuries (of which we have at least 5 now), we can more than smash that 100+ point record. We hit 80 points last year (losing only Camara), and we are now much stronger offensively and are scoring goals relentlessly. Realistically, we will be north of 50 before 23 games. Our home form is unlikely to suddenly tail off and see us lose multiple home games, and we have played all the top sides at home already. |
Supporters of the two best teams in League One having a mild tiff about who is best. I for one hope that you are the team that goes up with us in the automatics. I think you'll be second, but I'm not certain. Definitely my second favourite team in this division because of the Paul Mariner connection, the seaside location, the attractive style of football you play and the faint whiff of unfashionable! |  |
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| its started.... on 10:01 - Nov 2 with 2223 views | itfcjoe |
| its started.... on 00:01 - Nov 2 by Argyle_Fan |
'All other stats other than points' - what is that exactly? 'expected goals'?
- Most goals in the top 4 leagues after Man City, which I should add do not include any free-kick/corner goals. 2 pens and the rest open play.
- Something like the 1st team to reach 40+ points in all the way to the bottom pro rank division.
- Undefeated in 16 in all competitions.
- 9 home wins out of 9
- Plenty of goalscorers (League Goals - Hardie & Whittaker - 7 each, Azaz and Ennis - 6 each, Cosgrove - 5)
- 14 points from losing positions after 17 games, the highest in the top 4 leagues.
If that is an 'average' team then please show me what a good team looks like. I think like many fans, you have run into this idea that we aren't very good because our most recent form has slightly tailed off. Yet we are still coasting through some of these very recent games (Accrington, MK Dons, Rovers first half), and in the case of last night (which by the way was (a) in swirling wind and rain and (b) a local derby, still had way too much for Exeter to cope with by the end of the game, and frankly another 20 minutes and we could have had 6. But because we are little old Plymouth, we can't possible be that good can we.
But I look forward to 'all other stats but not points' and actually wonder if there is anything to this other than the expected goals thing. You mention matchwinners of Whittaker and Mumba but don't mention our other top scorer Hardie who has 7 league goals, or Ennis on 6? Do they not contribute or are they just 'average'?
I hate to break it to you mate but I can tell you now that our fans aren't worried like your fans were under Lambert. We're not playing poorly at all (bar a slight dip in standards of late in some games) and provided we keep our loanees and the squad can get through injuries (of which we have at least 5 now), we can more than smash that 100+ point record. We hit 80 points last year (losing only Camara), and we are now much stronger offensively and are scoring goals relentlessly. Realistically, we will be north of 50 before 23 games. Our home form is unlikely to suddenly tail off and see us lose multiple home games, and we have played all the top sides at home already. |
You aren't going to "more than smash that 100+ point record". |  |
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| its started.... on 10:51 - Nov 2 with 2162 views | dirtyboy |
| its started.... on 10:01 - Nov 2 by itfcjoe |
You aren't going to "more than smash that 100+ point record". |
I don't see why they can't?
People expect us to improve over the course of the season, why should they get progressively worse instead of better?
I think it'll be really very very close come season end and be between 3 teams for top 2 with a game to go. |  | | |
| its started.... on 10:52 - Nov 2 with 2161 views | Dubtractor |
| its started.... on 10:51 - Nov 2 by dirtyboy |
I don't see why they can't?
People expect us to improve over the course of the season, why should they get progressively worse instead of better?
I think it'll be really very very close come season end and be between 3 teams for top 2 with a game to go. |
I've said it a few times, but I already think it's a 3 horse race between us, Plymouth and Wednesday. No one else looks to have the consistency for me. |  |
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| its started.... on 11:04 - Nov 2 with 2140 views | itfcjoe |
| its started.... on 10:51 - Nov 2 by dirtyboy |
I don't see why they can't?
People expect us to improve over the course of the season, why should they get progressively worse instead of better?
I think it'll be really very very close come season end and be between 3 teams for top 2 with a game to go. |
Because about 5 teams in 25 years of EFL have got past that point, no one is going to 'smash' that record and get 110 or whatever 'smashing' it entails | |
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| its started.... on 11:05 - Nov 2 with 2139 views | OsborneOneNil |
| its started.... on 10:52 - Nov 2 by Dubtractor |
I've said it a few times, but I already think it's a 3 horse race between us, Plymouth and Wednesday. No one else looks to have the consistency for me. |
Maybe add Peterboro’ |  | | |
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| its started.... on 11:16 - Nov 2 with 2113 views | Dyland |
| its started.... on 11:05 - Nov 2 by OsborneOneNil |
Maybe add Peterboro’ |
I reckon there will be four clubs that pull away, but this is based on not much except that's what I reckon :)
Er... Pilgrims, Town, Owls, er, NOTLOB or Posh... er or Pompey or Tykes... or someone else. | |
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| its started.... on 11:22 - Nov 2 with 2106 views | Dubtractor |
| its started.... on 11:05 - Nov 2 by OsborneOneNil |
Maybe add Peterboro’ |
They are capable of putting a run together, but have always been a bit streaky, and their away record is actually pretty poor - 5 defeats in 8 games.
If any other team is going to challenge it is probably them though. | |
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| its started.... on 14:28 - Nov 2 with 2033 views | dirtyboy |
| its started.... on 11:04 - Nov 2 by itfcjoe |
Because about 5 teams in 25 years of EFL have got past that point, no one is going to 'smash' that record and get 110 or whatever 'smashing' it entails |
Yeah okay, the wording is perhaps strong on 'smash'.
I do think they're capable of going past it though, and 103, 104 or whatever is a massive achievement | | | |
| its started.... on 18:11 - Nov 2 with 1943 views | pafcprogs |
Ok I'll play
It started a few games back....Mayor injured, Azaz on international duty
It started pre season...Miller injured, Bolton still to recover from the injury inflicted by Morsy last season
It started pre season after Grant played through injury and had op to reattach a ligament/muscle and recover
It started a few weeks ago, Galloway being nursed back to first team action after last seasons seasons ending injury and his obvious deputy picking up a muscle strain.
It started at Charlton with a red card for Wilson, or Pompey with a red card for Galloway, or Accrington for Scarr's red card for getting fouled...
So yes losing Azaz to a pretty poor tackle for twelve weeks or so isn't great but we have two players coming back in that time (Mayor and Miller), all our suspensions are back, Grant is back and starting games again and we have been rotating the front four as well as Azaz in any case.
Will we have a rocky patch...we might....but so might any of the teams below us. We have played wevery one in the top half bar Port Vale. Lost to Charlton, deservedly, and drew with Portsmouth. Everyone else we beat. And we were ninety seconds from beating Portsmouth.
Will we win every home game...probably not but of the remains 12 only four are in the top half and only Pompey and Derby are contenders. Will teams set up to try not to lose...I expect so...so far none have succeeded.
Are we a scalp....looks like it, but so are you and the Wendies...and Derby.
Can we strengthen in January...yes. If the right player is available. But it won't be a massive purchase....because that's not the strategy. And based on the last two seasons recruitment we will have already identified the players we might need and discussions will have started with club/agent and players. We have also started extending contracts on current squad players who have contracts expiring. Edwards and Burton so far, More underway.
The "don't worry about Argyle they will fall away" thread is strongest on Owlstalk...and even they are wobbling about us now....relentless as **** as one poster put it on Monday. Starting to think they a re the real deal. It's a shame. being underestimated helps us I feel.
We undoubtedly are a better managed and stronger squad than last season....even without Camara who would not have played for us by now if he stayed because of injury.
We are there to be shot at as any top of the table side is, but momentum is a wonderful thing.
First or second will do....and play offs will be OK if that what it has to be.....
I hope the final league table is roughly the same as now come April/May. Lots of twists and turns to come.
Who knows...it could all come down to the last few minutes of added on time in the last game of the season..
Too soon?? :) |  | | |
| its started.... on 21:01 - Nov 2 with 1866 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| its started.... on 10:01 - Nov 2 by itfcjoe |
You aren't going to "more than smash that 100+ point record". |
I am confident they won't.
As confident as I was that a team on 80 points would not miss out on the play-offs last season.
Plymouth currently look ridiculously good. A lot can happen over the rest of the season but who is to say they won't continue to look ridiculously good?
We simply need to do at least as well as everyone bar Plymouth from where we are. |  |
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| its started.... on 22:03 - Nov 2 with 1821 views | LeoMuff |
| its started.... on 10:51 - Nov 2 by dirtyboy |
I don't see why they can't?
People expect us to improve over the course of the season, why should they get progressively worse instead of better?
I think it'll be really very very close come season end and be between 3 teams for top 2 with a game to go. |
They could do it, but last season they git progressively worse from 1st place in November to 7th at seasons end, there has to be something in that. |  |
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| its started.... on 13:10 - Nov 3 with 1680 views | Argyle_Fan |
| its started.... on 10:01 - Nov 2 by itfcjoe |
You aren't going to "more than smash that 100+ point record". |
'provided we keep our loanees and the squad can get through injuries (of which we have at least 5 now), we can more than smash that 100+ point record.'
CAN being the keyword. We'll have to be very lucky for any further injuries to not dent us and to have that through the season, whilst keeping all of our loanees. If we somehow managed to have that fortune, we have the ability and the squad to hit 100 points. | | | |
| its started.... on 13:20 - Nov 3 with 1659 views | Argyle_Fan |
| its started.... on 22:03 - Nov 2 by LeoMuff |
They could do it, but last season they git progressively worse from 1st place in November to 7th at seasons end, there has to be something in that. |
That's largely down to playing all the top teams in a row at the end of the season, for about 7 odd games, where we didn't manage to win a single one if I remember correctly. That's where we threw it away and a part of the reason for that is that we didn't quite have the quality uptop in Jephcott and Garrick (now at Swindon and Lincoln). This season, we have Hardie, Ennis and Cosgrove competing as the number 9. We have Mayor/Azaz/Whittaker vying for two playmaker spots. The standard is much much higher. You've also got Mumba who for a wing-back is offering a silly amount of goals, assists and penalty wins. And this season we've beaten every single top team bar Portsmouth, and they only equalised in the 94th minute.
If you look at the table now compared to the table at this stage last season, it's interesting that the above is supported by the data - that is, we have converted more wins this time around than last year. I'm not looking at it now, but 17 games in last year we drew a fair few more.
So that's why we collapsed at the back end of last season. I mean, it's not to say it can't happen again but it's a very different situation this time around. | | | |
| its started.... on 13:34 - Nov 3 with 1632 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| its started.... on 13:20 - Nov 3 by Argyle_Fan |
That's largely down to playing all the top teams in a row at the end of the season, for about 7 odd games, where we didn't manage to win a single one if I remember correctly. That's where we threw it away and a part of the reason for that is that we didn't quite have the quality uptop in Jephcott and Garrick (now at Swindon and Lincoln). This season, we have Hardie, Ennis and Cosgrove competing as the number 9. We have Mayor/Azaz/Whittaker vying for two playmaker spots. The standard is much much higher. You've also got Mumba who for a wing-back is offering a silly amount of goals, assists and penalty wins. And this season we've beaten every single top team bar Portsmouth, and they only equalised in the 94th minute.
If you look at the table now compared to the table at this stage last season, it's interesting that the above is supported by the data - that is, we have converted more wins this time around than last year. I'm not looking at it now, but 17 games in last year we drew a fair few more.
So that's why we collapsed at the back end of last season. I mean, it's not to say it can't happen again but it's a very different situation this time around. |
Think you look a much better side this season.
If you can keep all the loanees then I think you'll be top 2. | | | |
| its started.... on 13:48 - Nov 3 with 1601 views | itfcjoe |
| its started.... on 13:10 - Nov 3 by Argyle_Fan |
'provided we keep our loanees and the squad can get through injuries (of which we have at least 5 now), we can more than smash that 100+ point record.'
CAN being the keyword. We'll have to be very lucky for any further injuries to not dent us and to have that through the season, whilst keeping all of our loanees. If we somehow managed to have that fortune, we have the ability and the squad to hit 100 points. |
We have the ability and squad to hit 100 points, like you we won't do though as no one ever does!
Plymouth look very good, but if they keep conceding first goal then won't be able to keep coming back so they have to sort that issue out - but getting less than 85 points looks incredibly unlikely so going to be right up there come the end of the season | |
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| its started.... on 13:50 - Nov 3 with 1595 views | itfcjoe |
| its started.... on 13:20 - Nov 3 by Argyle_Fan |
That's largely down to playing all the top teams in a row at the end of the season, for about 7 odd games, where we didn't manage to win a single one if I remember correctly. That's where we threw it away and a part of the reason for that is that we didn't quite have the quality uptop in Jephcott and Garrick (now at Swindon and Lincoln). This season, we have Hardie, Ennis and Cosgrove competing as the number 9. We have Mayor/Azaz/Whittaker vying for two playmaker spots. The standard is much much higher. You've also got Mumba who for a wing-back is offering a silly amount of goals, assists and penalty wins. And this season we've beaten every single top team bar Portsmouth, and they only equalised in the 94th minute.
If you look at the table now compared to the table at this stage last season, it's interesting that the above is supported by the data - that is, we have converted more wins this time around than last year. I'm not looking at it now, but 17 games in last year we drew a fair few more.
So that's why we collapsed at the back end of last season. I mean, it's not to say it can't happen again but it's a very different situation this time around. |
Whilst having beaten all the top sides, every one of those games (bar Pompey which you drew) was at home - so that's a much tougher second half of the season coming up
You can't improve on home form as it's been perfect, but there will be some regression on that and away form going to be tough in second half of season | |
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| its started.... on 13:56 - Nov 3 with 1557 views | Argyle_Fan |
| its started.... on 13:48 - Nov 3 by itfcjoe |
We have the ability and squad to hit 100 points, like you we won't do though as no one ever does!
Plymouth look very good, but if they keep conceding first goal then won't be able to keep coming back so they have to sort that issue out - but getting less than 85 points looks incredibly unlikely so going to be right up there come the end of the season |
I don't see why either can't. All down to consistency I guess. I guess in your favour you have greater depth, so from that perspective you might have that edge. And frankly, without Mayor and Azaz, we are now reduced to just Whittaker as a sort of playmaker so we are already stretched at present. Cracking L1 season this whatever the case. | | | |
| its started.... on 14:03 - Nov 3 with 1534 views | Argyle_Fan |
| its started.... on 13:50 - Nov 3 by itfcjoe |
Whilst having beaten all the top sides, every one of those games (bar Pompey which you drew) was at home - so that's a much tougher second half of the season coming up
You can't improve on home form as it's been perfect, but there will be some regression on that and away form going to be tough in second half of season |
Inclined to agree although I can't help but feel that we could realistically aim for 18-20 home wins. It seems a tall order but there's only 14 games remaining, and in a sort of reverse way to what you are saying, all against much lower sides. If we win 9 of those 14, we have 18 home wins. I also think we've got the tools to really go not just home, but also away, to the likes of Ipswich, Wednesday or Peterborough and get some wins, as compared to last season, due to the reasons I mentioned. Last season we didn't have the armoury uptop to play against those big boys and defeat them, even at home. Will still be tough nonetheless and naturally we will drop some points on the road to the bigger teams as well. | | | |
| its started.... on 14:10 - Nov 3 with 1515 views | itfcjoe |
| its started.... on 13:56 - Nov 3 by Argyle_Fan |
I don't see why either can't. All down to consistency I guess. I guess in your favour you have greater depth, so from that perspective you might have that edge. And frankly, without Mayor and Azaz, we are now reduced to just Whittaker as a sort of playmaker so we are already stretched at present. Cracking L1 season this whatever the case. |
It looks like a season where there are 3 teams a long way ahead of the rest and if that stays the case going to be heartbreak for one who gets a ridiculous points tally and ends up in the play offs! | |
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| its started.... on 15:08 - Nov 3 with 1436 views | OsborneOneNil |
| its started.... on 14:10 - Nov 3 by itfcjoe |
It looks like a season where there are 3 teams a long way ahead of the rest and if that stays the case going to be heartbreak for one who gets a ridiculous points tally and ends up in the play offs! |
[shudder] | | | |
| its started.... on 15:17 - Nov 3 with 1405 views | pennblue |
| its started.... on 18:11 - Nov 2 by pafcprogs |
Ok I'll play
It started a few games back....Mayor injured, Azaz on international duty
It started pre season...Miller injured, Bolton still to recover from the injury inflicted by Morsy last season
It started pre season after Grant played through injury and had op to reattach a ligament/muscle and recover
It started a few weeks ago, Galloway being nursed back to first team action after last seasons seasons ending injury and his obvious deputy picking up a muscle strain.
It started at Charlton with a red card for Wilson, or Pompey with a red card for Galloway, or Accrington for Scarr's red card for getting fouled...
So yes losing Azaz to a pretty poor tackle for twelve weeks or so isn't great but we have two players coming back in that time (Mayor and Miller), all our suspensions are back, Grant is back and starting games again and we have been rotating the front four as well as Azaz in any case.
Will we have a rocky patch...we might....but so might any of the teams below us. We have played wevery one in the top half bar Port Vale. Lost to Charlton, deservedly, and drew with Portsmouth. Everyone else we beat. And we were ninety seconds from beating Portsmouth.
Will we win every home game...probably not but of the remains 12 only four are in the top half and only Pompey and Derby are contenders. Will teams set up to try not to lose...I expect so...so far none have succeeded.
Are we a scalp....looks like it, but so are you and the Wendies...and Derby.
Can we strengthen in January...yes. If the right player is available. But it won't be a massive purchase....because that's not the strategy. And based on the last two seasons recruitment we will have already identified the players we might need and discussions will have started with club/agent and players. We have also started extending contracts on current squad players who have contracts expiring. Edwards and Burton so far, More underway.
The "don't worry about Argyle they will fall away" thread is strongest on Owlstalk...and even they are wobbling about us now....relentless as **** as one poster put it on Monday. Starting to think they a re the real deal. It's a shame. being underestimated helps us I feel.
We undoubtedly are a better managed and stronger squad than last season....even without Camara who would not have played for us by now if he stayed because of injury.
We are there to be shot at as any top of the table side is, but momentum is a wonderful thing.
First or second will do....and play offs will be OK if that what it has to be.....
I hope the final league table is roughly the same as now come April/May. Lots of twists and turns to come.
Who knows...it could all come down to the last few minutes of added on time in the last game of the season..
Too soon?? :) |
yes too soon! | |
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| its started.... on 15:24 - Nov 3 with 1388 views | pafcprogs |
| its started.... on 15:17 - Nov 3 by pennblue |
yes too soon! |
Just don't do it at Exeter or we can never be friends:) | | | |
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