| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" 11:27 - Dec 18 with 4424 views | bluelagos |
Seems to be the standard observation from a stroppy teenager I know when challenged over just about anything (appearance / manners / conduct) at the moment.
Are they quite right and we should all just relax, or by so doing would you be setting them up for a hard fall later on in life?
|  |
| |  |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 15:27 - Dec 18 with 1111 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
"So are Christmas presents. Now, what's your position on social constructs? For or Against?"
See also: Birthday presents, money, meals at restaurants etc |  | | |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 15:37 - Dec 18 with 1088 views | HARRY10 |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 14:42 - Dec 18 by lowhouseblue |
they're teenagers and their brains are still forming. it's a developmental thing. just remind them that other people and what they think and feel are real and aren't a social construct. |
eh ?
What people feel, behave etc is a social construct borne out of social interaction. Most of our behaviour is learned ie constructed out our environment, what is around us.
All that is happening here is the 'not to bright' have a phrase which sounds clever but is rather absurd.
We had this many years ago when one of ours had picked up a phrase that sounded dead clever to him 'you are not my boss'. Failure to take him to football practice quickly ended that idiocy. | | | |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 15:45 - Dec 18 with 1071 views | bluelagos |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 15:27 - Dec 18 by ArnoldMoorhen |
"So are Christmas presents. Now, what's your position on social constructs? For or Against?"
See also: Birthday presents, money, meals at restaurants etc |
Like your thinking, though that would presumably make me part of the nasty capitalist monied elite seeking to reinforce the status quo by using my wealth to oppress those less fortunate... | |
| |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 16:05 - Dec 18 with 1039 views | jeera |
There are social constructs throughout nature if that's the route they choose to go down.
Most creatures know and respect that.
Even a lone wolf will be on the lookout for a pack.
Wanna survive? You gotta find a way to fit somehow, somewhere along the line.
Acceptance: It's not such an artificial concept. |  |
| |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 16:33 - Dec 18 with 1023 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 15:45 - Dec 18 by bluelagos |
Like your thinking, though that would presumably make me part of the nasty capitalist monied elite seeking to reinforce the status quo by using my wealth to oppress those less fortunate... |
They have already cast you in the role of authoritarian, so at least have some fun with it and take the pss a bit!
One Psychological approach, Transactional Analysis
(See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis )
would say that what is going on here is that they are testing the parent-child roles.
They are making a play for an adult to adult relationship in the future. A relationship of mutual respect and equality.
But it isn't as simple as just saying "Oh, that's what they know they want and need in the future, let's give them it now!"
But being an adult is scary to an adolescent. The World is big and overwhelming, and they may not feel ready for the responsibility that comes with an adult role.
So they, subconsciously may not want to win the argument. Subconsciously they may want to be put in the place. The more ridiculous the argument, the more likely this is the case. What can be going on then is a desire to feel secure because:
Adolescent doesn't feel big enough to cope with the world.
>
Adolescent wants reassurance that their parent can.
>
Parent puts Adolescent in their place in the pecking order.
>
Parent is bigger and stronger than the adolescent, and potentially big enough to protect them in the world.
In this model, boundary setting and keeping by people in the Parent role give security to the Adolescent.
But the Adolescent still wants to become an Adult, and the only way they can do that is by finding ways to distinguish themselves from the Parents and creating their own social identity and image. This is a process of boundary pushing and experimentation.
Basically, it takes time, but having clear boundaries gives security, because it reinforces a sense of order in a chaotic world, and of the strength of the Parents to protect them in it, And having clear boundaries also gives something to push against, which is important for the self-definition of their identity and image.
You've probably got a couple more years of this. Sorry.
But as they become more confident in their own social identity they will spend less time with you. | | | |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 16:54 - Dec 18 with 1013 views | bluelagos |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 16:33 - Dec 18 by ArnoldMoorhen |
They have already cast you in the role of authoritarian, so at least have some fun with it and take the pss a bit!
One Psychological approach, Transactional Analysis
(See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transactional_analysis )
would say that what is going on here is that they are testing the parent-child roles.
They are making a play for an adult to adult relationship in the future. A relationship of mutual respect and equality.
But it isn't as simple as just saying "Oh, that's what they know they want and need in the future, let's give them it now!"
But being an adult is scary to an adolescent. The World is big and overwhelming, and they may not feel ready for the responsibility that comes with an adult role.
So they, subconsciously may not want to win the argument. Subconsciously they may want to be put in the place. The more ridiculous the argument, the more likely this is the case. What can be going on then is a desire to feel secure because:
Adolescent doesn't feel big enough to cope with the world.
>
Adolescent wants reassurance that their parent can.
>
Parent puts Adolescent in their place in the pecking order.
>
Parent is bigger and stronger than the adolescent, and potentially big enough to protect them in the world.
In this model, boundary setting and keeping by people in the Parent role give security to the Adolescent.
But the Adolescent still wants to become an Adult, and the only way they can do that is by finding ways to distinguish themselves from the Parents and creating their own social identity and image. This is a process of boundary pushing and experimentation.
Basically, it takes time, but having clear boundaries gives security, because it reinforces a sense of order in a chaotic world, and of the strength of the Parents to protect them in it, And having clear boundaries also gives something to push against, which is important for the self-definition of their identity and image.
You've probably got a couple more years of this. Sorry.
But as they become more confident in their own social identity they will spend less time with you. |
So what about a nose ring? (The one that makes you look like a bull) | |
| |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 16:59 - Dec 18 with 1008 views | jeera |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 16:54 - Dec 18 by bluelagos |
So what about a nose ring? (The one that makes you look like a bull) |
Buy a rope about the right size to fit through the loop?
Strong enough to pull them but long enough to avoid being kicked.
Maybe some CS spray just to be sure. | |
| |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 18:43 - Dec 18 with 964 views | monytowbray |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 16:54 - Dec 18 by bluelagos |
So what about a nose ring? (The one that makes you look like a bull) |
Get two. And face tattoos. |  |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 18:46 - Dec 18 with 966 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
The important parental input is years 1 to 5 so it's too late.
They are also kind of correct |  |
| |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 18:49 - Dec 18 with 963 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 12:01 - Dec 18 by HARRY10 |
Poor things, not the brightest, Generation Thick.
outside of nature etc, pretty much everything is a social construct, a result of social interaction.
It is them what 'projest fear' is to the ever dim brexiters. A slogan to bleat out when cxonfronted with even the most basic of questions. A sort of trump card, or so it seems to them. |
Chances are they're fat Harry. | |
| |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 19:41 - Dec 20 with 825 views | Crawfordsboot |
You have started a really interesting thread Lagos. As for social constructs you will be well aware (having lived and worked in different countries) that social norms/constructs differ hugely across societies.
So what is right. To take your question beyond the belligerent youth I can’t help but feel discomfort at our self righteous western view of the world. We seem to think that we have the right balance on LBGT+, womens rights, freedom of speech, democracy etc in fact pretty much everything that is accepted in western society at the moment. I.e. where we are now is where everyone else should be. That allows us to look down on the Arab world, Islam, China etc.
On the other hand many of those societies could lecture us on the importance of respect for family and/or the social group rather than the individual.
I think I’m with the spotty teenager on this.
Edit: But then I am an aged old fart [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 19:44]
|  | | |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 22:34 - Dec 20 with 753 views | bluelagos |
| "Yeah, but that's just a social construct innit" on 19:41 - Dec 20 by Crawfordsboot |
You have started a really interesting thread Lagos. As for social constructs you will be well aware (having lived and worked in different countries) that social norms/constructs differ hugely across societies.
So what is right. To take your question beyond the belligerent youth I can’t help but feel discomfort at our self righteous western view of the world. We seem to think that we have the right balance on LBGT+, womens rights, freedom of speech, democracy etc in fact pretty much everything that is accepted in western society at the moment. I.e. where we are now is where everyone else should be. That allows us to look down on the Arab world, Islam, China etc.
On the other hand many of those societies could lecture us on the importance of respect for family and/or the social group rather than the individual.
I think I’m with the spotty teenager on this.
Edit: But then I am an aged old fart [Post edited 20 Dec 2022 19:44]
|
So a Nigerian once told me they thought it poor how we dump (my word) our parents in care homes rather than ensure they are cared for by extended family. I could see their point too.
Way too easy to look down on other societies without considering our own failings. Same guy also criticised our willingness to divorce/cut off a wife, a Nigerian happily taking a second wife (like us) but still retaining a good relationship and still providing for wife no 1. An interesting observation :-) | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
