| Another bad apple on 19:18 - Jan 16 with 727 views | HARRY10 |
| Another bad apple on 19:08 - Jan 16 by chicoazul |
You said police forces around the world Harold. Now you’re changing your mind. Everyone knows what to expect from you already but I don’t believe in treating you like the figure of fun so many others do, it’s cruel. But you aren’t helping yourself here. |
It gets worse. I should stop digging if I were you.
First you offer no evidence of any worldwide return to foot patrols, then you make up something I never said.
"You said police forces around the world Harold. Now you’re changing your mind. "
Whereas if you care to check, I re-affirmed that thought, as
'So no worldwide evidence.'
Are you sure you are not a leftie posting idiocy to send up righties ? |  | |  |
| Another bad apple on 19:48 - Jan 16 with 692 views | chicoazul |
| Another bad apple on 19:18 - Jan 16 by HARRY10 |
It gets worse. I should stop digging if I were you.
First you offer no evidence of any worldwide return to foot patrols, then you make up something I never said.
"You said police forces around the world Harold. Now you’re changing your mind. "
Whereas if you care to check, I re-affirmed that thought, as
'So no worldwide evidence.'
Are you sure you are not a leftie posting idiocy to send up righties ? |
Harold; Whereas outside of the loony Mail police forces around the world recognise that NO crimes are prevented by police walking around
Chico offers evidence to the contrary
Harold; you’re stupid
You’re right though, I offered no evidence of that, because I said it should happen not that it has. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 19:50]
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| Another bad apple on 20:20 - Jan 16 with 671 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
| Another bad apple on 13:22 - Jan 16 by chicoazul |
“Not all police”
Also, the police don’t solve something like 93% of crimes reported to them. The police are completely useless. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 13:24]
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It seems a very simplistic view on this matter without considering crime reporting, recording, investigation and prosecution standards continually change.
The police are very rarely the decision makers in the investigation of crimes.. so for you to put a figure of ‘solved’ makes little sense and ignores the nuances of the criminal justice system, it appears you’re trying to use any stick to beat the police with.. there are plenty, but that one is a stretch.
Some of the things that are recorded as ‘crimes’ would make you tear your hair out. It is simply not in the public interest to investigate where someone’s lost Evri parcel is, or the ‘adults’ that report that some lad down the road called him a n0nce on Snapchat. That would be thousands of pounds…
There’s plenty the police do wrong, or in a lot of cases plenty they simply don’t do..but to simply cover your eyes and ears and shout that all police are useless is idiotic and you will never /can never truly quantify numbers of ‘crimes prevented’ as no criminals would disclose they didn’t burglarise that house because they saw a police car down the road etc. |  | | |
| Another bad apple on 20:35 - Jan 16 with 657 views | dave26itfc |
| Another bad apple on 19:48 - Jan 16 by chicoazul |
Harold; Whereas outside of the loony Mail police forces around the world recognise that NO crimes are prevented by police walking around
Chico offers evidence to the contrary
Harold; you’re stupid
You’re right though, I offered no evidence of that, because I said it should happen not that it has. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 19:50]
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I myself am a serving metropolitan police detective.
I don’t particularly wish to get involved about the politics and intricacies of policing in general, and clearly in situations such as this, the met has failed miserably, and my heart goes out to all of the victims.
Unfortunately, because the office of constable is still a servant of the crown and not employed by the met, it isn’t as simple as sacking somebody, when clearly it should be and this is something that requires reform.
Many of the allegations against carrick seem to have been withdrawn or the victim withdrawing their cooperation (albeit likely through fear), which means investigations are unfortunately largely unable to proceed, just as many crime investigations are if the victim does not wish to cooperate with a prosecution.
I would like to say this - situations and people like this man make officers within the met feel sick. It causes all of us to be tarnished with the same disgusting brush. In a service of over 40,000 officers, unfortunately there will be disgusting people. I was today at the peel centre in Hendon, where the mood was clearly one of shame. I do not know a single officer who would want anything other than for this man to spend the rest of his life without seeing the cold light of day again. Officers want people from within the organisation such as this treated with the harshest possible sentences. Every single officer I work with does the job because they care deeply about the public and wants to help victims of crime. Clearly the organisation needs to do more, and with the commissioners mission I hope that will be achieved, and we can work towards restoring the public trust.
Like some fellow posters on here have said, please do forget the food work that the police carry out. The overwhelming majority of us do not want criminals walking free or victims not getting justice, and we strive to be there as best we can for whoever needs us. | | | |
| Another bad apple on 21:10 - Jan 16 with 611 views | Slimitfc91 |
| Another bad apple on 20:35 - Jan 16 by dave26itfc |
I myself am a serving metropolitan police detective.
I don’t particularly wish to get involved about the politics and intricacies of policing in general, and clearly in situations such as this, the met has failed miserably, and my heart goes out to all of the victims.
Unfortunately, because the office of constable is still a servant of the crown and not employed by the met, it isn’t as simple as sacking somebody, when clearly it should be and this is something that requires reform.
Many of the allegations against carrick seem to have been withdrawn or the victim withdrawing their cooperation (albeit likely through fear), which means investigations are unfortunately largely unable to proceed, just as many crime investigations are if the victim does not wish to cooperate with a prosecution.
I would like to say this - situations and people like this man make officers within the met feel sick. It causes all of us to be tarnished with the same disgusting brush. In a service of over 40,000 officers, unfortunately there will be disgusting people. I was today at the peel centre in Hendon, where the mood was clearly one of shame. I do not know a single officer who would want anything other than for this man to spend the rest of his life without seeing the cold light of day again. Officers want people from within the organisation such as this treated with the harshest possible sentences. Every single officer I work with does the job because they care deeply about the public and wants to help victims of crime. Clearly the organisation needs to do more, and with the commissioners mission I hope that will be achieved, and we can work towards restoring the public trust.
Like some fellow posters on here have said, please do forget the food work that the police carry out. The overwhelming majority of us do not want criminals walking free or victims not getting justice, and we strive to be there as best we can for whoever needs us. |
There are good and bad people in every aspect of life, look at the crackpot nurse accused of murdering the babies, if found guilty there is no sentence available that would be suitable for her actions. | | | |
| Another bad apple on 02:08 - Jan 17 with 540 views | ClareBlue |
| Another bad apple on 12:49 - Jan 16 by chicoazul |
They really are the worst. The whole institution needs gutting and starting over, which won’t happen of course. He’ll probably quit before getting fired and keep his pension, be out after a 10 stretch and start working with his chums in security. |
This guy isn't getting a 10 stretch. He'll get life with a recommendation of 25 years before parole. I doubt he will get out though. Despite what people might think the courts do impose very long sentences for extremely serious crimes in the UK. Anyway, he can rot in his cell and nobody needs to be concerned about him or the rest of his incarinerated pathetic life. It is the Institution that protected him and facilitated him that needs attention now. No more excuses and time highly paid career officers who's only aim is to protect the institution and their careers are held accountable. | | | |
| Another bad apple on 09:55 - Jan 17 with 451 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
| Another bad apple on 20:35 - Jan 16 by dave26itfc |
I myself am a serving metropolitan police detective.
I don’t particularly wish to get involved about the politics and intricacies of policing in general, and clearly in situations such as this, the met has failed miserably, and my heart goes out to all of the victims.
Unfortunately, because the office of constable is still a servant of the crown and not employed by the met, it isn’t as simple as sacking somebody, when clearly it should be and this is something that requires reform.
Many of the allegations against carrick seem to have been withdrawn or the victim withdrawing their cooperation (albeit likely through fear), which means investigations are unfortunately largely unable to proceed, just as many crime investigations are if the victim does not wish to cooperate with a prosecution.
I would like to say this - situations and people like this man make officers within the met feel sick. It causes all of us to be tarnished with the same disgusting brush. In a service of over 40,000 officers, unfortunately there will be disgusting people. I was today at the peel centre in Hendon, where the mood was clearly one of shame. I do not know a single officer who would want anything other than for this man to spend the rest of his life without seeing the cold light of day again. Officers want people from within the organisation such as this treated with the harshest possible sentences. Every single officer I work with does the job because they care deeply about the public and wants to help victims of crime. Clearly the organisation needs to do more, and with the commissioners mission I hope that will be achieved, and we can work towards restoring the public trust.
Like some fellow posters on here have said, please do forget the food work that the police carry out. The overwhelming majority of us do not want criminals walking free or victims not getting justice, and we strive to be there as best we can for whoever needs us. |
If I may, this is an extreme example and a particularly sickening one but we should also note that 800 met officers are under investigation for sexual/domestic abuse, the number gets larger and larger.
Before I go further you are correct, police officers do mots of fantastic work and it is no doubt a hard job, we should not tar all with the same brush and I don't know you personally, I'm sure you are horrified at this.
But if we take say just the Wayne Couzins example, was he not nicknamed the rapist (or something similar) by his colleagues? Did he not share some rather questionable material on WhatsApp with them that no one seemed to mention to superiors (perhaps understandable given the likely lack of action? Why rock the boat I guess)
The biggest issue I have is that police offices (not all but many) seem to come with a sense of entitlement these days. I have a badge so what I say is right, even if it's wrong. There is a reason auditor vids have become so popular, its because they show the true attitude to towards the public. Now you will say those people are looking for a reaction and that may be but time and time again the officers approach with an attitude. It shouldn't be that easy to get one. The videos show a fundamental lack of understanding of some basic laws, and whist I don't expect all police to know every law, I do expect them to know the basics.
How about the custody sergent in Wiltshire some years ago, caught on CCTV dragging a woman by her hair across the station floor, kept his job. These things have been going on for years. Cressida Dick did not help snybtaking a dent culpability at all costs attitude.
One from my own experience (bare in mind I have never been in trouble of any kind)
An early job of mine involved sending people picking and packing to a warehouse, mostly overseas students. This involved me seeing them onto a bus at 5am outside tbe University library to take them to work. One morning there was bit of a to do, the cleaners were all milling about outside. Turns out someone had flashed one of them. So there I am stood there seeing my guys onto the bus and the police car roles up, the office jumps out looks straight at me and because I'm the 1st male in the vicinity he automatically assumes it must be me that is the guilty party.
"Can I have chat sir".
"Certainly officer, can I just waive the bus off?" I needed 5 seconds to do that.
"No now sir"
Thankfully one of the cleaners stepped in and pointed to the guy in the vest and spotty Pj's further up the road who matched the description they had already given, bear in mind I was not in spotty Pj's or anything similar.
Instead of an apology I then got told to "wait there". Well i didn't I went back to bed. They had a description but that played no part their thinking that day. They saw a man so it must be him was the attitude.
I have had about 3 dealings with the police in my life and not one has been positive, this from a law abiding citizen (at least as much as your average Joe is). I know of other people with similar experiences, that they are generally treated with distain, becsue they don't have a badge and what the badge says goes.
Again this does not apply to all officers, of course not. But it does seem that policing attracts a certain personality type a lot of the time. One for whom the word de-esculation seems to mean nothing.
So all that good that is done is completely undermined.
Not aimed as an attack on you, as I say I don't know you but i think a fair insight into as least part of why trust in police is at an all time low. [Post edited 17 Jan 2023 9:58]
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