| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from 10:11 - Jan 19 with 1733 views | Keno |
higher league clubs only paying a fraction of their wage costs as surely that gives those teams an unfair advantage.
If you loan a players should you cover their wages in full?
Discuss,
Diagrams arent necessary but extra marks will be given if you show your workings and criticise Norwich
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:17 - Jan 19 with 1681 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
The rules are the same for everyone.
It helps smaller clubs compete against our much larger budget.
Seems more than fair to me. |  |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:18 - Jan 19 with 1682 views | monty_radio |
If limitations were applied to the process, depending on their severity, it might put a stop to clubs higher up the foodchain stockpiling potentially emerging talent if they know that some future failsafe offload is no longer available to them.
It would certainly radically alter the shape of the E.F.L. possibly tilting the emphasis towards better academy management at all levels. |  |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:20 - Jan 19 with 1657 views | SaleAway |
Is it fair that top level teams can hoover up all the talent and then loan them back out?
I guess that if you introduced that rule, you would immediately break the loan market, which would probably do quite a lot of good.
Probably better though to limit how many players a team can loan out. I believe there is legislation coming on this, but it doesn't cover academy players, so is basically pointless.... | |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:25 - Jan 19 with 1628 views | monty_radio |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:17 - Jan 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The rules are the same for everyone.
It helps smaller clubs compete against our much larger budget.
Seems more than fair to me. |
Although we often hear about the disparity between the percentage of wages that clubs loaning top prospects are asked to pay. If there actually was a ruling on this it might usher in a more transparent system. | |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:30 - Jan 19 with 1604 views | Basuco |
It is because the reserve league is not fit for purpose, it does not provide competitive football, so clubs loan players out to give them competitive football to aid their development.
It also applies to us, Idris El Mizouni is having a great season at Leighton Orient and looks like he is a major part of their success in L2. |  | | |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:36 - Jan 19 with 1549 views | DanTheMan |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:17 - Jan 19 by Marshalls_Mullet |
The rules are the same for everyone.
It helps smaller clubs compete against our much larger budget.
Seems more than fair to me. |
It's also a very temporary solution.
Even if everything goes really well and you get promoted, there is no guarantee you can buy those players or get them back again. That means rebuilding and hoping whatever magic you had before was still there.
If you don't get promoted then the players that did well will probably stay with their parent club and/or go to someone higher up the chain. You're left rebuilding again. |  |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:37 - Jan 19 with 1540 views | hype313 |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:36 - Jan 19 by DanTheMan |
It's also a very temporary solution.
Even if everything goes really well and you get promoted, there is no guarantee you can buy those players or get them back again. That means rebuilding and hoping whatever magic you had before was still there.
If you don't get promoted then the players that did well will probably stay with their parent club and/or go to someone higher up the chain. You're left rebuilding again. |
Indeed, see Lincoln and MK Dons. |  |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:37 - Jan 19 with 1538 views | MattinLondon |
Probably why it’s important for smaller clubs to build up good relationships with bigger clubs. One club gets good quality loans whilst the parent club gets experience for their youngster.
I do think it looks cheap when a big club loans a player from a Juve or PSG. |  | | |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:47 - Jan 19 with 1500 views | cbower |
I think the problem is the five loanees allowed in matchday squads. That can see half your outfield starting 11 not being your players. Frankly, that's ridiculous. 2 loanees in the 18 would be better with the facilty of emergency loan keeper all season long. Financially, clubs should have to cover 2/3s of a players basic salary for loanees over 21 years old. However, that would put Hirst out of our reach maybe? |  |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 11:24 - Jan 19 with 1380 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:36 - Jan 19 by DanTheMan |
It's also a very temporary solution.
Even if everything goes really well and you get promoted, there is no guarantee you can buy those players or get them back again. That means rebuilding and hoping whatever magic you had before was still there.
If you don't get promoted then the players that did well will probably stay with their parent club and/or go to someone higher up the chain. You're left rebuilding again. |
I agree, but football is short termist.
Ideally loans should be used to supplement a team, and not for the team to become over reliant on them.
At this level, any player that over performs for the level of club will leave, whether they are owned or loaned. The key for any club is recruitment. | |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 11:28 - Jan 19 with 1375 views | J2BLUE |
Nah.
As a fanbase we suddenly seem to be suggesting all sorts of new rules and ideas which would help us get out of league one.
We will hopefully soon be out of this league and the possibility of getting a few subsidised United youngsters might be increasingly appealing. Not to mention that it would have made the Evans era even worse.
At some point we need to just give Plymouth some credit. They have played the game entirely within the rules and they have played a blinder so far. |  |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 11:44 - Jan 19 with 1295 views | monty_radio |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 11:28 - Jan 19 by J2BLUE |
Nah.
As a fanbase we suddenly seem to be suggesting all sorts of new rules and ideas which would help us get out of league one.
We will hopefully soon be out of this league and the possibility of getting a few subsidised United youngsters might be increasingly appealing. Not to mention that it would have made the Evans era even worse.
At some point we need to just give Plymouth some credit. They have played the game entirely within the rules and they have played a blinder so far. |
It may well have worsened the Evans' years if loans had been on a different basis; and it might well be that Plymouth deserve praise for a well-played hand. But meanwhile the whole system which has grown like topsy grinds on awaiting a more even-handed solution for all. | |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 12:09 - Jan 19 with 1201 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 10:37 - Jan 19 by hype313 |
Indeed, see Lincoln and MK Dons. |
And Plymouth who have done it successfully to be fair.
I’m sure I read 5 of their 11 or certainly their main appearance makers are loanees. |  | | |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 12:22 - Jan 19 with 1093 views | NthQldITFC |
I've never liked the loan system as it can totally destabilise a club and undermine a league - it goes against responsible building and can go badly wrong. But I think the whole essentially unrestricted financial model of English football since the Sky era began needs to be ripped up. Let's get back to reserve leagues and a bit of humility as opposed to obscene wealth driving the game. |  |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 12:26 - Jan 19 with 1066 views | FrimleyBlue |
It's difficult to bemoan the system as its something we relied on.
I've always believed a club should be able to obtain emergency loans only. Otherwise imo its a blockage to reserve and youth teams.
I'm also a firm believer that there should be no international breaks of any kind and even prem sides should have to play ressies/kids if needs be. Rather than loaning out hundreds of them
But. It's not something I can see changing anytime soon so guess the way it runs currently works. |  |
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| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 12:42 - Jan 19 with 969 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Is it fair that teams can effectively borrow 'better' players from on 12:22 - Jan 19 by NthQldITFC |
I've never liked the loan system as it can totally destabilise a club and undermine a league - it goes against responsible building and can go badly wrong. But I think the whole essentially unrestricted financial model of English football since the Sky era began needs to be ripped up. Let's get back to reserve leagues and a bit of humility as opposed to obscene wealth driving the game. |
Agree, the loan system is just one sticking plaster on the totally messed up finances of football in England. For many years, I have argued that the entire football pyramid would be stronger and more sustainable if we didn't have this PL cartel running the top tier with the crumbs left for others. My suggestion would be that the "prize" money (i.e. all the TV revenues) each season are divided up so that the PL gets 50%. Championship gets 25%. L1 12.5%. etc. The top teams would still get additional money from European comps. I reckon that would really strengthen all levels, and mean that clubs loaning players would pay a more realistic share of salary. |  |
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