| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis 22:23 - Mar 29 with 8245 views | matt92 |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 08:57 - Apr 10 with 1352 views | bournemouthblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 08:41 - Apr 10 by GlasgowBlue |
If it stays at a local level then it won’t get much traction nationally. After all, had I not endlessly banged on about it how many people would have been aware that five years ago Labour selected 4 Holocaust deniers and a bloke who posted that “Hitler was right about the Jews” as council candidates.
It will take a high profile national figure to come out blatant racism for the whole thing to blow up.
But that’s even more worrying, as it’s the grass roots who control the agenda nationally. It’s shameful that a fiscally centre right Thatcherite (although socially liberal) like me feels completely disillusioned and disgusted at the Tory party, but former members of the BNP and Britain First feel right at home.
The only way that will change is if the Tories suffer a massive humiliating defeat at the next election. [Post edited 10 Apr 2023 8:45]
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Which they should do but 2 years is a long time in politics
There's a clearly a strategy to try and bait the more hard right element of society on asylum seekers and refugees etc
It didn't take long for Rishi to turn to the darkside in the quest for votes |  |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 09:01 - Apr 10 with 1336 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 08:57 - Apr 10 by bournemouthblue |
Which they should do but 2 years is a long time in politics
There's a clearly a strategy to try and bait the more hard right element of society on asylum seekers and refugees etc
It didn't take long for Rishi to turn to the darkside in the quest for votes |
3 emails in and I still await a reply from Hunt (T) about whether he thinks the language used by people in positions of authority has a direct impact on public actions.
25 days and counting. |  |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 09:31 - Apr 10 with 1295 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 08:57 - Apr 10 by bournemouthblue |
Which they should do but 2 years is a long time in politics
There's a clearly a strategy to try and bait the more hard right element of society on asylum seekers and refugees etc
It didn't take long for Rishi to turn to the darkside in the quest for votes |
I agree that the Tories should face a wipe out at the next election. But I have a gut feeling that they may end up as the largest party. There seems to have been a shift lately. Maybe the culture wars are working.
Terrible state of affairs if true. |  |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 09:34 - Apr 10 with 1297 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 08:48 - Apr 10 by GlasgowBlue |
Whereas it takes no irony at all for several people on here to have highlighted the sort of bigotry you spout which saw a Jewish poster forced to put you on ignore.
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Sneaky edit.
Of course, I care about what Jewish people think and their concerns – that's why I think the weaponizing and fear-mongering over antisemitism has been disgusting in itself. Anyone who says that antismetism doesn't exist in Labour equally so.
Yet I'm not going to accept fabricated accusations and smeary right-wing attacks on the truth. Feel free to relay that to the poster in question. |  |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:04 - Apr 10 with 1249 views | leitrimblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:06 - Apr 8 by DJR |
And Labour aren't really much better. This from an article I came across on the internet, which has links to various newspaper articles that justify the claims made.
"Want to know what the main difference would be between a Labour government and a Tory government on immigration? The cruelty would be more efficient.
Sir Keir Starmer, the Labour Party Leader, said he would support GPS tagging of asylum seekers, which a coalition of charities said would amount to ‘psychological torture’. Remember, this guy is meant to be a human rights lawyer.
He remained silent as Patriotic Alternative, a neo-Nazi group, inflamed local tensions in Knowsley, Merseyside towards asylum seekers taking up residence in a local hotel. The protest descended into violence as protestors set fire to a police van and fifteen people were arrested.
Similar protests are now happening across the country.
By not denouncing this far-right activity, in the hope that they can appeal to a distorted and offensive caricature of ‘red wall’ voters, Labour are complicit.
Rachel Reeves, the Shadow Chancellor, said the low levels of deportation were a ‘problem’ and she urged Braverman to speed up deportations.
Shadow Home Secretary Yvette Cooper confirmed this morning that Labour would not scrap the Nationality and Borders Act, which criminalises those arriving by small boats, putting Labour on a collision course with the UN Refugee Convention.
The Shadow Minister for Immigration, Stephen Kinnock, posted a graphic on social media which further inflamed the rhetoric by saying the Tories had ‘failed on small boat crossings’, featuring headlines on the high cost of asylum seekers staying in hotels and the amount of people that has crossed the English Channel.
This is nothing new from Labour. Apart from a brief period from 2015-19, the Labour Party have always been right-wing on immigration.
During the New Labour years there was a whole host of anti-refugee bills pushed through by Home Secretaries under Tony Blair, who himself set a target to cut the number of people applying for refugee status in Britain by 50%.
Whether it was Jacqui Smith, who banned unskilled immigrants from outside the EU with a points-based Australian-style immigration system, Jack Straw, who stripped refugees of benefits and made them use vouchers to buy food, Ruth Kelly, who told councils to stop translating things into other languages to make life more difficult for immigrants who didn’t speak English, ‘as an incentive’, or John Reid, who whipped up anger against ‘foreigners who come to this country illegitimately and steal our benefits’ .
And we can’t forget the worst of the bunch, David Blunkett, a current Labour Party advisor, who introduced a series of right-wing laws as Home Secretary, from banning asylum seekers from working while their claims were being assessed, to trying to force failed asylum seekers to do unwaged work in exchange for ‘basic subsistence’ or banning their children from attending state schools. He brought a bill to cut benefits for asylum seekers and then take their children away into care once they become destitute and even wanted to send all asylum seekers to offshore processing centres outside Europe (sound familiar?).
In 2007, Margaret Hodge, who is still a Labour MP, called for British-born families to take priority of immigrants in the queue for council homes, with her policy receiving backing from no other than the British National Party (BNP).
And who can forget the infamous ‘Controls on immigration’ mugs that Labour MPs posed with as something to celebrate under the leadership of Ed Miliband?" |
Now I see why so many lifelong Tories are now tempted to vote Labour.... |  | | |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:22 - Apr 10 with 1222 views | bournemouthblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:04 - Apr 10 by leitrimblue |
Now I see why so many lifelong Tories are now tempted to vote Labour.... |
I think the truth of UK politics is that you have to be centre-right to be electable
This isn't some conspiracy theory, it's just the power of the right wing papers to control the narrative, the British public are Conservative with a small c
Didn't Thatcher say Blair was her proudest achievement or is this a bit of an urban myth?
Either way, it's true enough, let's be honest
Corbyn was the wrong choice for Labour he had too much baggage but I can't see how a left leaning leader, even centre-left or even central, will ever be allowed to be elected in the UK
That's just a reality, it's how the system works, Starmer is going down the New Labour pathway and it will probably be successful
It won't stop this god awful government trying every dirty trick in the book to try and keep hoodwinking the public
Proportional representation sounds like the solution, you'd hope it might make our politics a bit more grown up but I think in reality, it would just embolden the hard right UKIPs and Brexit Parties of the world and not the Lib Dems or the Greens as people might hope [Post edited 10 Apr 2023 11:24]
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:31 - Apr 10 with 1207 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 19:26 - Apr 8 by bournemouthblue |
Interestingly, we have two local Tories, trying to defend Tom now
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"I'll never defend Nazi salutes of that kind. BUT ..."
Wow. Simply wow.
No, OK, so the police information was wrong and clearly there was at least a presence among the 20-odd who turned up. Instead, a genuine concerns defence. And what kind of Nazi salutes does she intend to defend too? |  |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:40 - Apr 10 with 1182 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 08:45 - Apr 9 by DJR |
What an unpleasant person you are.
I was not logged in and so (even though you are on ignore) noticed that you had chipped in with your usual smeary comment.
I actually resigned from the party in 2003, not because of the Iraq War but because of the direction that Labour was going in. I rejoined when Brown took over hoping that things might improve.
I am minded to resign at the moment, but think I will stay a member because of an emotional attachment to the party (it still says democratic socialist on my membership card) and because if everyone who shares my views leaves there will be no holding back the right of the party.
And whatever the failings of Labour, they are infinitely better than the Tories. [Post edited 9 Apr 2023 8:50]
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If anybody finds a party that perfectly represents everything they agree with they would be a rare person.
There must come a time where someone decides a party as divorced themselves too far from what they think is right. Labour has reached that point for me. However, the questions then are, what alternative do we have? Even if there is a party that represents my views better, do I vote for them in the next election or do I pick between the two candidates who have any hope of being elected in my constituency? | |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:49 - Apr 10 with 1149 views | leitrimblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:22 - Apr 10 by bournemouthblue |
I think the truth of UK politics is that you have to be centre-right to be electable
This isn't some conspiracy theory, it's just the power of the right wing papers to control the narrative, the British public are Conservative with a small c
Didn't Thatcher say Blair was her proudest achievement or is this a bit of an urban myth?
Either way, it's true enough, let's be honest
Corbyn was the wrong choice for Labour he had too much baggage but I can't see how a left leaning leader, even centre-left or even central, will ever be allowed to be elected in the UK
That's just a reality, it's how the system works, Starmer is going down the New Labour pathway and it will probably be successful
It won't stop this god awful government trying every dirty trick in the book to try and keep hoodwinking the public
Proportional representation sounds like the solution, you'd hope it might make our politics a bit more grown up but I think in reality, it would just embolden the hard right UKIPs and Brexit Parties of the world and not the Lib Dems or the Greens as people might hope [Post edited 10 Apr 2023 11:24]
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I agree with most of that unfortunately. Your paragraph about how ' a left leaning leader, even centre left or even central will ever be allowed to get elected in the uk' is spot on and heartbreaking at the same time. It means for large sections of the poorest in society this is as good as it gets.. | | | |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:56 - Apr 10 with 1132 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:49 - Apr 10 by leitrimblue |
I agree with most of that unfortunately. Your paragraph about how ' a left leaning leader, even centre left or even central will ever be allowed to get elected in the uk' is spot on and heartbreaking at the same time. It means for large sections of the poorest in society this is as good as it gets.. |
I honestly believe that someone like Mick Lynch gives us hope. If an eloquent individual with integrity can get to the top and deliver the right message clearly enough, it can engage. Corbyn gained a lot of traction with young people. Unfortunately, for various reasons, he was not the right person. I still believe there is hope for someone who believes in public services and workers' rights at least. | |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:00 - Apr 10 with 1129 views | bournemouthblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:31 - Apr 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
"I'll never defend Nazi salutes of that kind. BUT ..."
Wow. Simply wow.
No, OK, so the police information was wrong and clearly there was at least a presence among the 20-odd who turned up. Instead, a genuine concerns defence. And what kind of Nazi salutes does she intend to defend too? |
There is a small caveat here which is we are going on what Tom Hunt has said the police had told him
Even if they told him nothing, there can be reasons for that too
Either Suffolk Police who aren't the best resourced force didn't know or if they did know and weren't willing to share that information with their sitting MP, is a bigger question itself
There's are legitimate reasons for why the police may withhold that information
But until more information comes out about this, which it will, the speculation will only grow
I think we are all in agreement, the language coming out of Tom Hunt's office, is baffling to any rational human being frankly, regardless of what side of the political spectrum is comes from
I'm genuinely ashamed with have an MP representing our Town, acting in this way [Post edited 10 Apr 2023 12:05]
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:02 - Apr 10 with 1119 views | DJR |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:40 - Apr 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If anybody finds a party that perfectly represents everything they agree with they would be a rare person.
There must come a time where someone decides a party as divorced themselves too far from what they think is right. Labour has reached that point for me. However, the questions then are, what alternative do we have? Even if there is a party that represents my views better, do I vote for them in the next election or do I pick between the two candidates who have any hope of being elected in my constituency? |
Living in a true blue Tory constituency, that is not an issue for me, the only question being who will come second, where a principled vote is probably the thing to do?
Having said that, I think I would still be inclined to vote Labour because I will know the candidate who is standing, and those in the local party campaigning for them.
I am less sure what I would do in a winnable (from the Tories) seat but would probably vote for the candidate with the greatest chance of winning. [Post edited 10 Apr 2023 12:04]
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:04 - Apr 10 with 1115 views | bournemouthblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:40 - Apr 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If anybody finds a party that perfectly represents everything they agree with they would be a rare person.
There must come a time where someone decides a party as divorced themselves too far from what they think is right. Labour has reached that point for me. However, the questions then are, what alternative do we have? Even if there is a party that represents my views better, do I vote for them in the next election or do I pick between the two candidates who have any hope of being elected in my constituency? |
I think you have to be smart and vote for the party most likely to oust the sitting MP you don't want in power
That's the only way to do it, I'm lucky to be in a marginal. The system is broken really, it feels like so many people lack a voice under our current system. | |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:10 - Apr 10 with 1086 views | DJR |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:02 - Apr 10 by DJR |
Living in a true blue Tory constituency, that is not an issue for me, the only question being who will come second, where a principled vote is probably the thing to do?
Having said that, I think I would still be inclined to vote Labour because I will know the candidate who is standing, and those in the local party campaigning for them.
I am less sure what I would do in a winnable (from the Tories) seat but would probably vote for the candidate with the greatest chance of winning. [Post edited 10 Apr 2023 12:04]
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My misgivings about what to do in a winnable seat are that voting Lib Dem could end up with a Tory/Lib Dem coalition if the Tories ended up as the largest party. | | | |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:13 - Apr 10 with 1080 views | bournemouthblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:10 - Apr 10 by DJR |
My misgivings about what to do in a winnable seat are that voting Lib Dem could end up with a Tory/Lib Dem coalition if the Tories ended up as the largest party. |
There is that too, I do think Labour need to be smarter
The Tories were happy to get into bed with the Brexit Party to maintain a grip on power and the DUP of course who are Brexit Party from the 19th Century | |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:44 - Apr 10 with 1046 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:10 - Apr 10 by DJR |
My misgivings about what to do in a winnable seat are that voting Lib Dem could end up with a Tory/Lib Dem coalition if the Tories ended up as the largest party. |
If your choice is between a Tory and a LibDem you are effectively voting between a Tory government and that coalition. | |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:57 - Apr 10 with 1025 views | DJR |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:44 - Apr 10 by Nthsuffolkblue |
If your choice is between a Tory and a LibDem you are effectively voting between a Tory government and that coalition. |
And the coalition government of 2010 demonstrates to me that PR is not necessarily the panacea that it is made out to be. | | | |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 03:39 - Apr 11 with 936 views | bournemouthblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 12:57 - Apr 10 by DJR |
And the coalition government of 2010 demonstrates to me that PR is not necessarily the panacea that it is made out to be. |
Well exactly, they were Tories by proxy, let's be honest and they got punished for it
Politics moves on very quickly, it looked at some stage we would probably have a Labour SNP coalition but now, the SNP without Sturgeon could be a major battle ground for the Tories
I'd have thought the current party will be too right wing for Scotland though, which may offer a pathway back in for Labour, who knows
The next general election isn't the guaranteed win for Labour it should be suspect | |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 08:08 - Apr 11 with 885 views | DJR |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:49 - Apr 10 by leitrimblue |
I agree with most of that unfortunately. Your paragraph about how ' a left leaning leader, even centre left or even central will ever be allowed to get elected in the uk' is spot on and heartbreaking at the same time. It means for large sections of the poorest in society this is as good as it gets.. |
The tragedy is that this is not the case in most prosperous European countries, where there tends to be a consensus across the political spectrum that good public services and high taxes are necessary for a decent society.
I remember being in Paris on the night in 1995 when Jacques Chirac (from the right) became President. As a former mayor of Paris, the celebrations on the street were amazing, but I realised that when it came to public services and the like, the change to a right-wing President would make no difference because of that consensus.
The main thing I can put this down to is a right-wing press in this country (mainly owned by those non-domiciled in this country) who manage to persuade people that low taxes are the only way forward. So far as I am aware, such a press does not exist elsewhere in Europe. [Post edited 11 Apr 2023 9:40]
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 09:11 - Apr 11 with 854 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 03:39 - Apr 11 by bournemouthblue |
Well exactly, they were Tories by proxy, let's be honest and they got punished for it
Politics moves on very quickly, it looked at some stage we would probably have a Labour SNP coalition but now, the SNP without Sturgeon could be a major battle ground for the Tories
I'd have thought the current party will be too right wing for Scotland though, which may offer a pathway back in for Labour, who knows
The next general election isn't the guaranteed win for Labour it should be suspect |
Labour will probably take 15-20 seats from the SNP at the next election. | |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 09:20 - Apr 11 with 851 views | Darth_Koont |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 03:39 - Apr 11 by bournemouthblue |
Well exactly, they were Tories by proxy, let's be honest and they got punished for it
Politics moves on very quickly, it looked at some stage we would probably have a Labour SNP coalition but now, the SNP without Sturgeon could be a major battle ground for the Tories
I'd have thought the current party will be too right wing for Scotland though, which may offer a pathway back in for Labour, who knows
The next general election isn't the guaranteed win for Labour it should be suspect |
The SNP are very much a broad church with lots of different values under the independence banner. In fact it’s a pretty centrist organisation overall but one that leans left on the environment, a more equitable democratic society and a 21st century economy which is why they are a fairly natural fit with the Scottish Greens.
They’re certainly to the left of the current Labour Party even in Scotland. | |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 11:55 - Apr 11 with 760 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 09:01 - Apr 10 by You_Bloo_Right |
3 emails in and I still await a reply from Hunt (T) about whether he thinks the language used by people in positions of authority has a direct impact on public actions.
25 days and counting. |
To be fair, if it’s only 25 days he’s still probably trying to read them. You didn’t use any long words did you? |  |
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| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 13:13 - Apr 12 with 653 views | bournemouthblue |
| Tom Hunt denying the far right were at the Novotel protests, now defending Nazis on 09:11 - Apr 11 by GlasgowBlue |
Labour will probably take 15-20 seats from the SNP at the next election. |
That would make a massive difference to their chances of winning!
Going back to Tom Hunt, I'm sure the local party are hoping this is going to burn out, however more is going to come out on this
They will want it buried and quickly | |
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