| KoA/EADT 13:27 - May 14 with 10263 views | Skip_Intro |
How many of you have paid for a subscription to access their content?
BTW I am not looking to rake up the debate on whether or not the EADT should have introduced the paywall - that has been done to death
I'm just curious as to a) how many on here have paid (using the £3 for 3 months offer) and b) how many will continue to pay once it costs £7.99 per month after the introductory offer ends.
Personally I haven't subscribed but would consider if for £1.99 a month just for the football content like that lot up the road can. I refuse to pay to access the 'news' content. |  | | |  |
| KoA/EADT on 19:39 - May 14 with 2204 views | rickw |
I haven't, but they did suggest on their podcast there will always be deals on so it's unlikely people will often have to pay £7.99 a month |  |
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| KoA/EADT on 19:39 - May 14 with 2204 views | 66notout |
| KoA/EADT on 14:00 - May 14 by franz_tyson |
I'd pay a couple of quid a month if Stu and Andy are still dishing out good quality reporting ( or any other proper journalists). I'm not paying 8 quid a month for other news / articles I don't want.
I can see Stu/Andy moving on pretty soon as I can't see this working. I've already started to get used to not reading their articles or watching their videos. They're missing an opportunity when most of us are in good spirits Town-wise. |
Andy’s already on his way - Town’s first new signing. |  | | |
| KoA/EADT on 19:39 - May 14 with 2207 views | Illinoisblue |
| KoA/EADT on 19:09 - May 14 by DublinBlue84 |
It feels like for a lot of their stuff they don't send anyone, let alone a cub reporter.
A lot of their articles appear to be based on what is on social media and Google Maps which is why there is never any detail as there has been several mistakes I've seen over the past few months that nobody who knew Ipswich would get wrong. They've often described areas exactly how they appear on the last Streetview image.
My favourite one recently was them describing the Ex Bonmarche store as being empty since it closed down, despite the fact there has been a bed store there for well over a year, but because it didn't happen to appear on Google Maps, obviously it didn't exist.
There was another news article recently where they talked about an entity known as 'Portman Road' applying for planning permission building executive boxes in place of white hoardings as well. I mean if you can't even write an article like that right then what hope do you have? It says a lot about the quality of journalism.
The photography is just as bad, clearly ripped from Google Street view or really dated photos, again because nobody has actually bothered to take any new ones. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the articles are being run from someone sitting behind their computer who has never lived or worked in Ipswich. |
It’s a miserable downward circle; nobody’s paying for local newspapers because they’re poor quality. Local papers are poor quality because they don’t have any resources. A race to the bottom. |  |
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| KoA/EADT on 19:41 - May 14 with 2203 views | 66notout |
| KoA/EADT on 14:12 - May 14 by catch74 |
It’s hard in most industries at the moment and I think newspaper journalism must be high up there.
I’ve not subscribed, feels wrong for something that was free. The issue is where we were happy to pay £1 for a physical copy of a paper this no longer happens.
I imagine Andy and Stu and the rest work just as hard on articles plus put the time and effort in to the podcasts - so really we shouldn’t mind paying for the content.It just feels a little bit wrong and a little bit opportune on the timing front.
I’d be interested to know what EADT sales have been over the last 20 or so years. |
EADT sales just over 7,000 per day and Ipswich Star just over 3,000 per day. | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 19:42 - May 14 with 2195 views | DublinBlue84 |
| KoA/EADT on 19:39 - May 14 by 66notout |
Andy’s already on his way - Town’s first new signing. |
For sure someone is, hence why they're advertising, the question is who. | |
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| KoA/EADT on 19:42 - May 14 with 2193 views | clive_baker |
Haven’t subscribed
Won’t subscribe
Do enjoy the occasional piece from them but I think it’s habitual as much as anything else. No offence to them but it’s not groundbreaking journalism and I dare say I can live without it. |  |
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| KoA/EADT on 19:44 - May 14 with 2179 views | 66notout |
| KoA/EADT on 19:42 - May 14 by DublinBlue84 |
For sure someone is, hence why they're advertising, the question is who. |
Eh? I just told you who was moving. | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 19:46 - May 14 with 2163 views | DublinBlue84 |
| KoA/EADT on 19:39 - May 14 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a miserable downward circle; nobody’s paying for local newspapers because they’re poor quality. Local papers are poor quality because they don’t have any resources. A race to the bottom. |
Yes, which is why they should give a little investment upfront during the trial period to increase the quality in hope that will incentivise people to not cancel at the end of the 3 months.
Simply saying they're not going to invest until people pay £7.99 a month will be suicide for them. Nobody in the right mind is going to pay those kind of sums right now. Which is why a little investment during this transitional period is the avenue they should be going down.
Get people to pay a little, invest a little in journalism upfront because of that, then less people will cancel. Simply leaving things as they are will just mean they'll have hordes of cancellations come trial end time.
They need to invest upfront right now to keep those subscribers. They'll get one chance at it. | |
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| KoA/EADT on 19:47 - May 14 with 2160 views | jas0999 |
Nope. TWTD coverage is miles better. They offer nothing. | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 19:48 - May 14 with 2161 views | DublinBlue84 |
| KoA/EADT on 19:44 - May 14 by 66notout |
Eh? I just told you who was moving. |
Is that actually confirmed?
Would make sense, likely to be a promotion for him. | |
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| KoA/EADT on 19:49 - May 14 with 2148 views | 66notout |
| KoA/EADT on 19:48 - May 14 by DublinBlue84 |
Is that actually confirmed?
Would make sense, likely to be a promotion for him. |
Okay, I’ll confirm it. | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 19:55 - May 14 with 2129 views | DJR |
| KoA/EADT on 19:39 - May 14 by Illinoisblue |
It’s a miserable downward circle; nobody’s paying for local newspapers because they’re poor quality. Local papers are poor quality because they don’t have any resources. A race to the bottom. |
I think the downward circle started with not enough people buying local papers, coupled with things like house sales going online.
Back in the 1980s, there was enough advertising revenues from house sales for there to be free property newspapers. |  | | |
| KoA/EADT on 20:20 - May 14 with 2097 views | BigCommon |
I haven't......
Only used to watch the Andy and Stu bits on YT. And Ross' "Meet the oppo'"... So probably less than 50% of the KOA content.... Id pay a couple of quid a month to have access to that again.
I don't live local to Ipswich, so not overly interested in the local news there, via EADT.
I'm waiting to see what sort of contentTown TV will be offering, and how much it costs. I'm hoping they take full advantage and replicate some of the better stuff we've had access to, via SM. |  | | |
| KoA/EADT on 20:29 - May 14 with 2066 views | xrayspecs |
A few comments.
I have signed up as I like the KOA content. I will see how much I use it whether I continue.
The decision to paywall content is unlikely to have been a sports team decision. That would have come from the top of the organisation.
Publishing your best content online for free is not a good business model, although lots of online content is paywalled once the creators have built up a critical mass of followers.
I do not consider 8 pounds per month much to pay for what is around 10-15 hours of content. A pint and a half?
It is really important to have an independent press, I would not want to see a situation where all the content is coming direct from the club. We need critical friends too.
I hope Stu is not moving on as he provides a thoughtful and objective perspective.
Could the paywall be a way to generate extra revenue to cover the cost of hiring additional sports reporter? The team have looked stretched since Mike Bacon moved on. | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 21:18 - May 14 with 1995 views | kiwiblue |
No intention reading the Star instead |  | | |
| KoA/EADT on 21:35 - May 14 with 1960 views | DublinBlue84 |
| KoA/EADT on 20:29 - May 14 by xrayspecs |
A few comments.
I have signed up as I like the KOA content. I will see how much I use it whether I continue.
The decision to paywall content is unlikely to have been a sports team decision. That would have come from the top of the organisation.
Publishing your best content online for free is not a good business model, although lots of online content is paywalled once the creators have built up a critical mass of followers.
I do not consider 8 pounds per month much to pay for what is around 10-15 hours of content. A pint and a half?
It is really important to have an independent press, I would not want to see a situation where all the content is coming direct from the club. We need critical friends too.
I hope Stu is not moving on as he provides a thoughtful and objective perspective.
Could the paywall be a way to generate extra revenue to cover the cost of hiring additional sports reporter? The team have looked stretched since Mike Bacon moved on. |
Bacon was made redundant due to cuts, if they hired someone else in a similar position so soon after without someone leaving that would be a big can of worms to open. The team won't be growing.
I would be happy to pay the £8 if the local content was of good standard. But quite frankly it isn't. The ITFC content is worth a few quid but the rest of the paper is at best intern quality for the reasons I have already given on this thread.
It's also unfair that they feel that ITFC fans need to subsidise the rest of the poor quality paper when our friends up the road pay 25% of the price for just football, an option which is not open to ITFC fans. | |
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| KoA/EADT on 21:35 - May 14 with 1957 views | DublinBlue84 |
| KoA/EADT on 21:18 - May 14 by kiwiblue |
No intention reading the Star instead |
Not all the ITFC content appears on the Star website anymore now. Only a small selection with links to EADT content behind a paywall.
The Ipswich Star was due to get paywalled last week anyway, probably it will be lower as there will be less content on it as I noticed more and more there are less stories going up on that site. [Post edited 14 May 2023 21:37]
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| KoA/EADT on 21:48 - May 14 with 1913 views | kiwiblue |
| KoA/EADT on 21:35 - May 14 by DublinBlue84 |
Not all the ITFC content appears on the Star website anymore now. Only a small selection with links to EADT content behind a paywall.
The Ipswich Star was due to get paywalled last week anyway, probably it will be lower as there will be less content on it as I noticed more and more there are less stories going up on that site. [Post edited 14 May 2023 21:37]
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Agreed some is pay walled but living 12000 miles away the local news is totally irrelevant. The relevant football items will ne shared on this forum and in my local paper in a local cafe
with a cappuchino when we move up a league again.
Keep up the great work TWTD | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 21:51 - May 14 with 1909 views | muhrensleftfoot |
I won’t pay although I’ll miss Stu and Andy’s columns. Newsquest have shot themselves in the foot. Advertisers will no longer pay when no one is reading. Bet the reading figures are already just a fraction of what they were |  | | |
| KoA/EADT on 21:53 - May 14 with 1906 views | BonchosBicycle |
I paid for the 3 months at the cheap rate as I think the KoA podcast is generally the best - Stu and Andy anyway are really good. I'll cancel after that though. All I ever look at on EADT is football and $10 a month is way too much for few podcasts, however entertaining. If I could pay a couple of quid a month for the KoA stuff alone, I'd probably do it though. |  | | |
| KoA/EADT on 23:27 - May 14 with 1836 views | JackNorthStand |
| KoA/EADT on 19:35 - May 14 by franz_tyson |
They're supposed to be objective journalists.
What if they disagree with something - would they be allowed to express that against their employers? |
It would have to be the same format so they work freelance but do their podcast / Andy and stu react through the clubs platform. | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 23:50 - May 14 with 1811 views | Adelaideblue |
As an overseas viewer I enjoyed their content.. but have no interest in the general news.. I considered the £3 per month, but no way I am paying 7.99 for news I have zero interest in... | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 07:02 - May 15 with 1715 views | Hipsterectomy |
I’m not against it and they genuinely do great work. However, why not wait until the start of the new season to do it? Seems weird to implement it now when it will all be opinions or rumours until august |  |
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| KoA/EADT on 07:55 - May 15 with 1675 views | DJR |
| KoA/EADT on 23:27 - May 14 by JackNorthStand |
It would have to be the same format so they work freelance but do their podcast / Andy and stu react through the clubs platform. |
But it just wouldn't have the same impact or authenticity, because they wouldn't be able to speak their mind.
Don't forget Stuart Watson wrote an article, and KOA did a podcast, about where things were going wrong shortly after the Bristol Rovers game. They wouldn't be allowed to do that if they were working for the club. | | | |
| KoA/EADT on 07:58 - May 15 with 1663 views | DJR |
| KoA/EADT on 21:35 - May 14 by DublinBlue84 |
Not all the ITFC content appears on the Star website anymore now. Only a small selection with links to EADT content behind a paywall.
The Ipswich Star was due to get paywalled last week anyway, probably it will be lower as there will be less content on it as I noticed more and more there are less stories going up on that site. [Post edited 14 May 2023 21:37]
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I wonder whether the Star will disappear, with a bulked up EADT featuring Ipswich news taking its place.
It is to be noted that in the last couple of months, the regional editions of the EADT have disappeared.
EDIT: Back in the 70s and probably later than that, the Star was an evening paper. My parents used to get a national daily in the morning and the Star in the evening. These days very few people get any paper at all. [Post edited 15 May 2023 8:00]
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