| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) 17:38 - May 29 with 4005 views | pointofblue |
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:05 - May 29 with 1033 views | ibbleobble |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 18:54 - May 29 by Ryorry |
Leading foot went into totally empty space. Cue the Wednesday player rolling around & banging the turf as though his leg had been there & had been seriously injured. |
Doesn’t matter. The intent was there and he was out of control. The law has been like that for some time now. Players can’t have their studs showing and both feet off the floor.
“SERIOUS FOUL PLAY
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.” [Post edited 29 May 2023 19:09]
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:09 - May 29 with 1020 views | pointofblue |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:05 - May 29 by ibbleobble |
Doesn’t matter. The intent was there and he was out of control. The law has been like that for some time now. Players can’t have their studs showing and both feet off the floor.
“SERIOUS FOUL PLAY
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.” [Post edited 29 May 2023 19:09]
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All three former players who were acting as pundits thought it should have been a yellow. | |
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:13 - May 29 with 996 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:05 - May 29 by ibbleobble |
Doesn’t matter. The intent was there and he was out of control. The law has been like that for some time now. Players can’t have their studs showing and both feet off the floor.
“SERIOUS FOUL PLAY
A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.
Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play.” [Post edited 29 May 2023 19:09]
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Explain how this wasn't a yellow for both players?
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:17 - May 29 with 989 views | PhilTWTD |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 18:35 - May 29 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Only by waiting so long to flag. He was clearly offside, so clearly that I called it in real time. |
They're encouraged to let play go on to a conclusion before flagging if there's VAR in case they make an error. |  | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:18 - May 29 with 986 views | PhilTWTD |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 17:52 - May 29 by pointofblue |
Refereeing needs overhauling in his country. When even VAR decisions are so drastically wrong so often, it's clear there's too many who are not fit for purpose. |
Think VAR is flawed as a means of rectifying decisions by poor officials as it just means incidents get a second look by other poor officials. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:20 - May 29 with 981 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:17 - May 29 by PhilTWTD |
They're encouraged to let play go on to a conclusion before flagging if there's VAR in case they make an error. |
Its mad. A player could easily have been injured in that time, especially Vaulks with his somersaults. VAR make so many errors of late it should be secondary, not primary. It's meant to be for 'clear and obvious' mistakes.
It's the one thing I'm dreading being in the Prem for. | |
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:20 - May 29 with 982 views | PhilTWTD |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 17:44 - May 29 by GlasgowBlue |
That’s just a baseless accusation. The wrong decision? Perhaps. But corruption? |
I'm sure it's incompetence, however, if it was another league elsewhere in the world I'm sure fingers would be pointed in such circumstances. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:20 - May 29 with 978 views | Wickets |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 18:35 - May 29 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Only by waiting so long to flag. He was clearly offside, so clearly that I called it in real time. |
Yup me too . |  | | |
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:21 - May 29 with 976 views | PhilTWTD |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:20 - May 29 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Its mad. A player could easily have been injured in that time, especially Vaulks with his somersaults. VAR make so many errors of late it should be secondary, not primary. It's meant to be for 'clear and obvious' mistakes.
It's the one thing I'm dreading being in the Prem for. |
It's a balance, isn't it. I think the danger of disallowing a goal incorrectly would always trump anything else. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:24 - May 29 with 956 views | Churchman |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 18:54 - May 29 by Ryorry |
Leading foot went into totally empty space. Cue the Wednesday player rolling around & banging the turf as though his leg had been there & had been seriously injured. |
Absolutely. I wondered if it was even a yellow at the time. The challenge was mistimed but the player had eyes for the ball only. It was an appalling decision. The idiot thumping the turf and screaming holding the wrong bit of his leg made all the difference. He cheated. Not simulation. Cheated.
If there was a sending off, Smith’s deliberate elbow in the first few minutes was it. He even took a good look at his opponent before delivering his ‘message’
The ‘penalty’ was a penalty. It looked it in real time and obviously from VAR but if the SW player had hit him with a club, the ref would have booked the Barnsley player for getting blood on the weapon.
The officials were weak and intimidated by the Wednesday players and crowd throughout, so Barnsley got basically nothing. They were in his ear from the off. Reminded me a bit of Bolton 23 years ago.
Awful team Wednesday. Old, ugly, hoofers. But it’s easy to see why they bullied so many teams in L1 this season.
Michael Duff - what a brilliant job he’s done. They play the right way too.
As for the commentators, I had to turn the sound off at one point, given the level of sucking up to SW, endless mentions of the Peterborough comeback, how loud their fans were etc etc.
Barnsley would have won that with 11 on the pitch. They were very unlucky.
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:25 - May 29 with 956 views | xrayspecs |
Watched it on TV and the video replays showed the Barnsley player just after these stills both feet off the ground, and catching the SW player with his trailing leg Intentional - probably not. Dangerous/serious - quite possibly, so no surprise it was a straight red. It was a borderline decision and ruined the game. But it was not clearly a wrong decision. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:26 - May 29 with 954 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:21 - May 29 by PhilTWTD |
It's a balance, isn't it. I think the danger of disallowing a goal incorrectly would always trump anything else. |
It''s really not meant to be like that. There was daylight between the attacker and the last defender. The Lino, can see he's, (or she's), not making a mistake.
If they are unsure, let it play out, thats how VAR is meant to help them, but when it's clear like that, they should flag it. Just imagine an attacker busts a gut to get into the box and ends up with a career ending injury, because even though it was clear and obviously offside, the lino let it play out for the sake of VAR. | |
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:30 - May 29 with 939 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:25 - May 29 by xrayspecs |
Watched it on TV and the video replays showed the Barnsley player just after these stills both feet off the ground, and catching the SW player with his trailing leg Intentional - probably not. Dangerous/serious - quite possibly, so no surprise it was a straight red. It was a borderline decision and ruined the game. But it was not clearly a wrong decision. |
My point is, both attempts for the ball were studs up, out of control. If you send one off, the other has got away scot free, should have been a yellow for both. | |
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:32 - May 29 with 936 views | PhilTWTD |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:26 - May 29 by Cheltenham_Blue |
It''s really not meant to be like that. There was daylight between the attacker and the last defender. The Lino, can see he's, (or she's), not making a mistake.
If they are unsure, let it play out, thats how VAR is meant to help them, but when it's clear like that, they should flag it. Just imagine an attacker busts a gut to get into the box and ends up with a career ending injury, because even though it was clear and obviously offside, the lino let it play out for the sake of VAR. |
That sounds fair enough, however, I would guess they would say that's too vague; what can appear an obvious offside isn't necessarily the case. There was a goal like that recently but I can't remember who it was off the top of my head. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:37 - May 29 with 923 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:32 - May 29 by PhilTWTD |
That sounds fair enough, however, I would guess they would say that's too vague; what can appear an obvious offside isn't necessarily the case. There was a goal like that recently but I can't remember who it was off the top of my head. |
Well, we can chat about it all we want. I doubt the standard of VAR is going to change anytime soon.
If anything, it's gone backwards. | |
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:38 - May 29 with 921 views | xrayspecs |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:30 - May 29 by Cheltenham_Blue |
My point is, both attempts for the ball were studs up, out of control. If you send one off, the other has got away scot free, should have been a yellow for both. |
Tbf, I did not see the SW player challenge as being dangerous. His leg was outstretched, but studs down and while not a great challenge, not really an issue. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:42 - May 29 with 909 views | ibbleobble |
Easily done. The angle of his foot is pointing towards the ball not 18” off the floor at a right angle and his other foot is grounded on the floor. Completely different. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:47 - May 29 with 903 views | PhilTWTD |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:37 - May 29 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Well, we can chat about it all we want. I doubt the standard of VAR is going to change anytime soon.
If anything, it's gone backwards. |
I agree, it's a waste of time if it's not going to change decisions like today's. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:48 - May 29 with 902 views | Churchman |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:42 - May 29 by ibbleobble |
Easily done. The angle of his foot is pointing towards the ball not 18” off the floor at a right angle and his other foot is grounded on the floor. Completely different. |
Really? It was a yellow. Nothing more. The player rolling about holding the wrong bit of his leg screaming, crowd and constant Wednesday players in his ear got the job done.
Three former professional players didn’t think it was a red and neither did I. That was weak. [Post edited 29 May 2023 20:20]
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 20:17 - May 29 with 876 views | ibbleobble |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 19:48 - May 29 by Churchman |
Really? It was a yellow. Nothing more. The player rolling about holding the wrong bit of his leg screaming, crowd and constant Wednesday players in his ear got the job done.
Three former professional players didn’t think it was a red and neither did I. That was weak. [Post edited 29 May 2023 20:20]
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Three former professionals and you need to read the FA rule book then as per what I posted above. It’s reckless endangerment. Milliseconds the other way and it’s a possible career ending injury. A stupid wild lunge that deserved to be punished.
Why he’s going with that much force facing his own goal is also ridiculous. Had he connected at that pace that ball could have cannoned anywhere. Stupid all round really. | | | |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 20:25 - May 29 with 866 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 20:17 - May 29 by ibbleobble |
Three former professionals and you need to read the FA rule book then as per what I posted above. It’s reckless endangerment. Milliseconds the other way and it’s a possible career ending injury. A stupid wild lunge that deserved to be punished.
Why he’s going with that much force facing his own goal is also ridiculous. Had he connected at that pace that ball could have cannoned anywhere. Stupid all round really. |
"Well, three professionals should know as much as I do"
Never a red. [Post edited 29 May 2023 20:33]
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| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 20:29 - May 29 with 864 views | Churchman |
| Well done, referee/VAR. You did your job (n/t) on 20:17 - May 29 by ibbleobble |
Three former professionals and you need to read the FA rule book then as per what I posted above. It’s reckless endangerment. Milliseconds the other way and it’s a possible career ending injury. A stupid wild lunge that deserved to be punished.
Why he’s going with that much force facing his own goal is also ridiculous. Had he connected at that pace that ball could have cannoned anywhere. Stupid all round really. |
I don’t think I’ll bother thanks. I know what a dangerous challenge, intent etc looks like and feels like. Professional players even more so. It’s a game of opinions and I’ll stick by what I saw and what the ex-professionals saw.
Smith’s deliberate elbow in the first few minutes? That could have easily been a red. In slow motion, he takes a look before delivering the treatment. Nothing. What does the rule book say on that? Please enlighten me. The player rolling and screaming holding the wrong bit of his leg. What does the rule book say about simulation (cheating in my world)?
As I say, it’s about opinions. | | | |
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