| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 20:54 - May 30 with 2633 views | Mullet |
Yep, watched the first episode and it was difficult watching. As per my post further down, feel like I have lots of gaps in my knowledge to close and this kind of show helps. |  |
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| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 21:25 - May 30 with 2589 views | Steve_M |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 20:54 - May 30 by Mullet |
Yep, watched the first episode and it was difficult watching. As per my post further down, feel like I have lots of gaps in my knowledge to close and this kind of show helps. |
I’m still processing what I’ve watched tonight. The normalisation of the interviewees by showing them talking with the crew had the effect of making their testimonies, which seem to be honest and reflective, even more powerful. Lots there on the results of ‘othering’ and dehumanising whole groups of people.
There’s another BBC documentary from a few years back on NI, not as powerful as this but very good on the history that might still be available too. |  |
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| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 21:57 - May 30 with 2544 views | ghostofescobar |
Made me feel cold that it happened during my lifetime and so close to home. Grim doesn’t do it justice. Made me wonder what my 21 year old son would think, knowing that was part of the backdrop to growing up in the 70’s and 80’s, albeit it was headlines for us rather than living amongst such senseless evil. |  |
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| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 22:37 - May 30 with 2513 views | StNeotsBlue |
Yes, it's powerful stuff. I've been fortunate enough over the years to become good friends with a lad from Derry and another from Londonderry, they were as thick as thieves but wouldn't have given each other the time of day if they were still in Northern Ireland. |  | | |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 05:59 - May 31 with 2392 views | PaphosBlue |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 22:37 - May 30 by StNeotsBlue |
Yes, it's powerful stuff. I've been fortunate enough over the years to become good friends with a lad from Derry and another from Londonderry, they were as thick as thieves but wouldn't have given each other the time of day if they were still in Northern Ireland. |
As a young man I served in N Ireland and in recent years have had difficulty explaining what it was like to my sons. It was even more weird when we went back to Belfast in July 2008 to see Ipswich play Cliftonville as part of their pre season. Despite thrashing them 7-0 we were treated with fantastic hospitality by the club particularly Jim Magiltons brother in law. |  |
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| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 08:23 - May 31 with 2271 views | Tractor_Buck |
It's fascinating. I have customers in NI and go over there once a year or so. Trying to correlate what I see - a beautiful, laid back friendly place - with what I remember from the news in my youth and what I've seen on this programme is very difficult.
There are still a few signs of the past around though. Red white and blue or tricolour painted kerb stones depending on where you are in Belfast, the old reinforced ex-RUC stations in places like Maghera, and being told politely but firmly to take my poppy off when I called at a customer in Newry one November.... |  | | |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 08:33 - May 31 with 2242 views | Mullet |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 21:25 - May 30 by Steve_M |
I’m still processing what I’ve watched tonight. The normalisation of the interviewees by showing them talking with the crew had the effect of making their testimonies, which seem to be honest and reflective, even more powerful. Lots there on the results of ‘othering’ and dehumanising whole groups of people.
There’s another BBC documentary from a few years back on NI, not as powerful as this but very good on the history that might still be available too. |
The little interactions they kept in work perfectly, albeit they're sometimes uncomfortable and chilling.
I've worked with a handful of people from NI and my mate's ex was a Belfast lad, but he only talked about violence back home and growing up when he got really hammered. The "othering" seems more generational perhaps?
Reminds me of hearing from kids I've taught from Syria, Afghanistan, Iran etc. | |
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| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 09:12 - May 31 with 2207 views | unbelievablue |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 21:25 - May 30 by Steve_M |
I’m still processing what I’ve watched tonight. The normalisation of the interviewees by showing them talking with the crew had the effect of making their testimonies, which seem to be honest and reflective, even more powerful. Lots there on the results of ‘othering’ and dehumanising whole groups of people.
There’s another BBC documentary from a few years back on NI, not as powerful as this but very good on the history that might still be available too. |
It sometimes reminded me of The Act of Killing. |  |
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| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 09:38 - May 31 with 2178 views | BloomBlue |
I was working in London with a guy from Belfast, Jimmy, lovely lad and a really good laugh. Having a few beers in London with him in April 1992 with the IRA confused the Baltic and Stock Exchange and set off a bomb outside the Baltic Exchange. Walking between pubs when that bomb went off, blast was so big it knocked us off our feet. I was in a shocked state thinking WTF, Jimmy calmly said its a bomb and just continued to head to the next pub. He was almost desensitised to it after living in NI his entire life.
We headed away from the area and eventually found a pub and he explained how living in NI had changed him. He explained how he was a Catholic and had this almost hatred for non Catholic's (I'm sure the reverse was the same) but only in NI. He said if a non Catholic was in the road injury in NI he would walk pass them, wouldn't help in anyway, but in London he would help anyone hurt. The reason was the implications if he had helped, people he knew who had helped in such situations had then suffered beatings. Not just them but also members of their family. But basically helping the 'other side' in any situation could be viewed as if you was a traitor. He said not in every situation but he wouldn't take the risk of somebody high up in one of those grps deciding if you and your family deserved a beating, hence he would walk pass the injured person.
It shocked me as I had always viewed the situation as extreme groups against each other and other members of the public could sit on the peripheral to some degree, I never realised doing something viewed as normal in NI could lead to being viewed as taking sides. |  | | |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 09:42 - May 31 with 2176 views | bluewein |
Watched the first 3 episodes last night.
Like Mullet my understanding has always been a little low on the subject, but I've always been for want of a better word "fascinated" by the Troubles. Does a very good job of splitting the bias, which I've always found difficult when speaking to any Catholic/Protestant. I even worked with a Protestant who had the exact same views as those shown during the David Frost debate show.
As you say. Grim stuff... |  |
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| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 13:15 - May 31 with 2089 views | Eireannach_gorm |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 09:38 - May 31 by BloomBlue |
I was working in London with a guy from Belfast, Jimmy, lovely lad and a really good laugh. Having a few beers in London with him in April 1992 with the IRA confused the Baltic and Stock Exchange and set off a bomb outside the Baltic Exchange. Walking between pubs when that bomb went off, blast was so big it knocked us off our feet. I was in a shocked state thinking WTF, Jimmy calmly said its a bomb and just continued to head to the next pub. He was almost desensitised to it after living in NI his entire life.
We headed away from the area and eventually found a pub and he explained how living in NI had changed him. He explained how he was a Catholic and had this almost hatred for non Catholic's (I'm sure the reverse was the same) but only in NI. He said if a non Catholic was in the road injury in NI he would walk pass them, wouldn't help in anyway, but in London he would help anyone hurt. The reason was the implications if he had helped, people he knew who had helped in such situations had then suffered beatings. Not just them but also members of their family. But basically helping the 'other side' in any situation could be viewed as if you was a traitor. He said not in every situation but he wouldn't take the risk of somebody high up in one of those grps deciding if you and your family deserved a beating, hence he would walk pass the injured person.
It shocked me as I had always viewed the situation as extreme groups against each other and other members of the public could sit on the peripheral to some degree, I never realised doing something viewed as normal in NI could lead to being viewed as taking sides. |
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mcconville-forced-by-ira-to-make-spy-confe
McConville's children say they recall her helping a wounded British soldier some time before their father died in January 1972. |  | | |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 13:49 - May 31 with 2058 views | soupytwist |
I saw on Twitter a link to a fascinating Reddit thread where someone had asked for people's memories of things they considered perfectly normal as kids growing up in Northern Ireland during the Troubles and only found out were not the norm when they went elsewhere.
Here it is:
https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/11rzbsb/inspired_by_an_ask_red
Some real eye openers in there and not something most of us who grew up in the rest of the UK will have heard before. |  | | |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 14:10 - May 31 with 2005 views | Mullet |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 09:42 - May 31 by bluewein |
Watched the first 3 episodes last night.
Like Mullet my understanding has always been a little low on the subject, but I've always been for want of a better word "fascinated" by the Troubles. Does a very good job of splitting the bias, which I've always found difficult when speaking to any Catholic/Protestant. I even worked with a Protestant who had the exact same views as those shown during the David Frost debate show.
As you say. Grim stuff... |
That Frost debate is especially shocking in 2023. It's the sort of thing you expect from QT fringe nutters being given a platform. | |
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| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 14:30 - May 31 with 1986 views | Steve_M |
| Once upon a time in Northern Ireland on iPlayer on 14:10 - May 31 by Mullet |
That Frost debate is especially shocking in 2023. It's the sort of thing you expect from QT fringe nutters being given a platform. |
At least demonstrates that that kind of casual demonisation of the other isn't just down to social media.
The interviewee, former loyalist paramilitary turned social worked, who alluded to the whipping up of hatred in America being similar was quite right on that point. | |
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