| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. 17:17 - Jun 4 with 9975 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/04/blocking-jamie-driscoll-as-labo
'He said it was “Orwellian language” to suggest that talking to a controversial figure automatically means you shared their views. “I shared a platform with [Conservative Tees Valley mayor] Ben Houchen the other week. Does that make me a Tory?” he said.
He contrasted his own treatment with that of Christian Wakeford, the MP for Bury South in Greater Manchester, who defected from the Conservatives last year “and was welcomed with open arms by the Labour party, despite voting for many terrible Tory policies”.'
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 14:12 - Jun 5 with 2308 views | GlasgowBlue |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:36 - Jun 5 by Blueschev |
Doesn't point 4 fall foul to the IHRA definition by insinuating Jews and Zionists are one and the same? |
Loach interchanges Zionist with Jewish so it’s him conflating the two. Most leftist anti semites interchange Jewish and Zionist with ease. It’s an attempt to make Zionist a dirty word. At least the hard right are more honest about their vile hatred of Jews.
“ Loach claimed that the Royal Court had given into pressure from “members of the British Jewish community ”
“I hadn’t tangled with the Zionist lobby before. What is amazing is the strength & organisation & power of their lobby.” [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 14:16]
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 14:22 - Jun 5 with 2262 views | Blueschev |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 14:12 - Jun 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Loach interchanges Zionist with Jewish so it’s him conflating the two. Most leftist anti semites interchange Jewish and Zionist with ease. It’s an attempt to make Zionist a dirty word. At least the hard right are more honest about their vile hatred of Jews.
“ Loach claimed that the Royal Court had given into pressure from “members of the British Jewish community ”
“I hadn’t tangled with the Zionist lobby before. What is amazing is the strength & organisation & power of their lobby.” [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 14:16]
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That first quotation is an unsourced copy and paste from Wikipedia! [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 14:36]
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 07:10 - Jun 9 with 2099 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/08/jamie-driscoll-labour-keir
'On Sunday, Labour frontbencher Jonathan Reynolds told Sky News that Driscoll was excluded for sharing a platform with “someone who themselves has been expelled for their views on antisemitism” — a line swiftly amplified by the media, yet not quite true. I asked Loach’s office to forward his letters of expulsion, which say only that he is “ineligible” due to his support of “a political organisation other than an official Labour group”. That was Labour Against the Witchhunt, which did claim allegations of Labour antisemitism were “politically motivated”. Reynolds was conflating the two. I asked how many other journalists had sought clarification. The answer was one.'
'By these standards, Driscoll is a victim of McCarthyism. The office he holds is now a mere electoral toy to be enjoyed by a favoured faction. And those people in Newbiggin and Ashington and anyone else who might be looking on with half an eye will see nothing but machine politicians serving themselves. This was the swamp out of which Nigel Farage emerged.'
If you are going to vote at the next election then give it to a party that deserves it, this might not include a party that weaponises false claims of antisemitism! If no such party exists then don't validate them. | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 08:13 - Jun 9 with 2070 views | Darth_Koont |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 07:10 - Jun 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/08/jamie-driscoll-labour-keir
'On Sunday, Labour frontbencher Jonathan Reynolds told Sky News that Driscoll was excluded for sharing a platform with “someone who themselves has been expelled for their views on antisemitism” — a line swiftly amplified by the media, yet not quite true. I asked Loach’s office to forward his letters of expulsion, which say only that he is “ineligible” due to his support of “a political organisation other than an official Labour group”. That was Labour Against the Witchhunt, which did claim allegations of Labour antisemitism were “politically motivated”. Reynolds was conflating the two. I asked how many other journalists had sought clarification. The answer was one.'
'By these standards, Driscoll is a victim of McCarthyism. The office he holds is now a mere electoral toy to be enjoyed by a favoured faction. And those people in Newbiggin and Ashington and anyone else who might be looking on with half an eye will see nothing but machine politicians serving themselves. This was the swamp out of which Nigel Farage emerged.'
If you are going to vote at the next election then give it to a party that deserves it, this might not include a party that weaponises false claims of antisemitism! If no such party exists then don't validate them. |
Thanks for the link.
Of course it’s McCarthyism and it’s been going on since 2015 in one form or another. And just like the original McCarthyism, it’s driven by reactionary right-wingers who will lie, cheat and steal to prevent long overdue systemic change or even just a shift in democratic power.
That’s on top of the blatant pro-Israel/anti-Palestinian pressure from fundamentalists who have been given free rein to make the worst accusations without pushback from so-called journalists. Indeed, these accusations are just regurgitated by our press without examination.
It’s a stitch-up within the bigger stitch-up that keeps the same largely right-wing political/journalist/lobbyist class in control for their own self-interest and the interests of those it pays well to represent. |  |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 08:23 - Jun 9 with 2045 views | giant_stow |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 08:13 - Jun 9 by Darth_Koont |
Thanks for the link.
Of course it’s McCarthyism and it’s been going on since 2015 in one form or another. And just like the original McCarthyism, it’s driven by reactionary right-wingers who will lie, cheat and steal to prevent long overdue systemic change or even just a shift in democratic power.
That’s on top of the blatant pro-Israel/anti-Palestinian pressure from fundamentalists who have been given free rein to make the worst accusations without pushback from so-called journalists. Indeed, these accusations are just regurgitated by our press without examination.
It’s a stitch-up within the bigger stitch-up that keeps the same largely right-wing political/journalist/lobbyist class in control for their own self-interest and the interests of those it pays well to represent. |
I guess Corbyn being so sh1tly unelectable also fits in with your grand stitch up theory. If only the left had picked someone else to lead, but then his very presence in the leadership election he won was a joke gift from the right. |  |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 08:38 - Jun 9 with 2032 views | WeWereZombies |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 17:51 - Jun 4 by lowhouseblue |
couldn't they have punished him by making him watch loach's films? |
Ah, thanks, that reminds me that I must rewatch 'Kes' sometime soon:
'Loach's film Kes (1969) was voted the seventh greatest British film of the 20th century in a poll by the British Film Institute.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Loach |  |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 08:40 - Jun 9 with 2033 views | Darth_Koont |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 14:12 - Jun 5 by GlasgowBlue |
Loach interchanges Zionist with Jewish so it’s him conflating the two. Most leftist anti semites interchange Jewish and Zionist with ease. It’s an attempt to make Zionist a dirty word. At least the hard right are more honest about their vile hatred of Jews.
“ Loach claimed that the Royal Court had given into pressure from “members of the British Jewish community ”
“I hadn’t tangled with the Zionist lobby before. What is amazing is the strength & organisation & power of their lobby.” [Post edited 5 Jun 2023 14:16]
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Zionism is a dirty word if you’re Palestinian and a victim of it. For them and in their real world, it’s a dangerous ethno-religious nationalist ideology that has seen millions of Palestinians displaced over the years and, unchecked, is currently driving increasingly zealous occupation and oppression of Palestinian territories.
You conflate Zionism with an affinity for Israel but they’re not the same thing. Certainly, we can see the distinction between the two and criticise the current Zionism that is driving further settler expansion and that denies even a two-state solution. That’s the Zionism that is being defended and the resulting oppression that is being justified. | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:01 - Jun 9 with 2021 views | Darth_Koont |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 08:23 - Jun 9 by giant_stow |
I guess Corbyn being so sh1tly unelectable also fits in with your grand stitch up theory. If only the left had picked someone else to lead, but then his very presence in the leadership election he won was a joke gift from the right. |
Corbyn would have been awful for these people and their interests. And much better for the millions who this status quo consistently ignores.
From 2015 everything you heard from these people was about how “unelectable” Corbyn was even if the vast majority of the so-called evidence had to be made up or misrepresented. And despite the fact that there was a clear appetite in 2017 before the real dirty tricks started to make sure Corbyn was unelectable.
Clearly, there is a very strong opposition to social democracy in the UK. Whether that’s out of ignorance, self-interest, ideological grounds or a combination, not allowing that balance in our political debate accounts for increasingly useless governments. Not to mention it’s seen the rise of right-wing populism as a largely clueless reaction to the underlying socio-economic issues that continue to be unaddressed while we’re in this right-sliding rut. | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:10 - Jun 9 with 2006 views | Darth_Koont |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 17:22 - Jun 4 by GlasgowBlue |
There is a massive difference between sharing a platform with one of your political opponents (Tory Tees Valley Mayor) and sharing a platform with a vile anti semite who has been expelled from your political party for racism.
Politicians from both sides often work together and share platforms. Most decent people refrain from sharing platforms with expelled racists. [Post edited 4 Jun 2023 17:23]
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“a vile anti semite who has been expelled from your political party for racism”
None of that’s true. | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:16 - Jun 9 with 1983 views | lowhouseblue |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 08:38 - Jun 9 by WeWereZombies |
Ah, thanks, that reminds me that I must rewatch 'Kes' sometime soon:
'Loach's film Kes (1969) was voted the seventh greatest British film of the 20th century in a poll by the British Film Institute.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Loach |
so one good film made 50 years ago, followed by decades of preachy earnestness. |  |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:19 - Jun 9 with 1966 views | WeWereZombies |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:10 - Jun 9 by Darth_Koont |
“a vile anti semite who has been expelled from your political party for racism”
None of that’s true. |
Also 'Loach turned down an OBE in 1977. In a Radio Times interview, published in March 2001, he said:
It's all the things I think are despicable: patronage, deferring to the monarchy and the name of the British Empire, which is a monument of exploitation and conquest. I turned down the OBE because it's not a club you want to join when you look at the villains who've got it.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Loach#Honorary_doctorate_from_Free_University_
So by Glassers logic Ken Loach is to be applauded, because otherwise he would have been part of teh club that knighted Jimmy Saville - and everyone with Sir or Dame in front of their name, or OBE or KCSG after it should be immediately interviewed by Operation Yewtree.... | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:22 - Jun 9 with 1945 views | WeWereZombies |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:16 - Jun 9 by lowhouseblue |
so one good film made 50 years ago, followed by decades of preachy earnestness. |
Read on, young man, read on...and always check the citation before commenting:
'Two of his films, The Wind That Shakes the Barley (2006) and I, Daniel Blake (2016), received the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival, making him one of only nine filmmakers to win the award twice. Loach also holds the record for most films in the main competition at Cannes, with fifteen films.' [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 9:23]
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:29 - Jun 9 with 1926 views | itfcjoe |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:16 - Jun 9 by lowhouseblue |
so one good film made 50 years ago, followed by decades of preachy earnestness. |
I, Daniel Blake is a good film as well - this all seems very OTT from labour, Loach is still a well known and mainstream name and is a step too far down this road for me to expel him |  |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:34 - Jun 9 with 1900 views | lowhouseblue |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:22 - Jun 9 by WeWereZombies |
Read on, young man, read on...and always check the citation before commenting:
'Two of his films, The Wind That Shakes the Barley (2006) and I, Daniel Blake (2016), received the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival, making him one of only nine filmmakers to win the award twice. Loach also holds the record for most films in the main competition at Cannes, with fifteen films.' [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 9:23]
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film awards and watchability don't always coincide. perceived worthiness, as evidenced by guardian film reviews, often trumps any other form of merit. | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:36 - Jun 9 with 1880 views | MattinLondon |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:16 - Jun 9 by lowhouseblue |
so one good film made 50 years ago, followed by decades of preachy earnestness. |
A Ken Loach and David Lynch movie marathon with Radioheads later stuff acting as the fill-in between films…pure hell. |  | | |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:36 - Jun 9 with 1877 views | WeWereZombies |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:34 - Jun 9 by lowhouseblue |
film awards and watchability don't always coincide. perceived worthiness, as evidenced by guardian film reviews, often trumps any other form of merit. |
How are things on that washing line ? Dry yet ? | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:38 - Jun 9 with 1859 views | DJR |
I think the issue I have with what has happened is that Driscoll wasn't attending, say, a Labour Against the Witch Hunt event. Nor was he supporting Ken Loach politically. In addition, I have I seen no evidence that Driscoll featured in any of the controversy surrounding antisemitism when Corbyn was leader.
Instead, he was interviewing the director of a film set in, and premiered in, the north east, something that I think that any other Labour mayor would have done. But had Andy Burnham done it, I don't think he would have received the same sanction, not least because Starmer has a favoured candidate to replace Driscoll, who would almost certainly have been beaten by Driscoll.
The problem it seems to me is the increasing phenomena of guilt by association, something I have grave issues with in a liberal democracy. And the question is where does it stop? Should Starmer not be allowed to stand for Labour at the next election because he has shared a Question Time platform with Ken Loach? Ditto David Lammy who wrote an article praising a Ken Loach film in 2019. And should there be a backlash against the BBC for the fact that Ken Loach's latest film is co-produced by the BBC? Or for the BBC producing programmes such as this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001d4nq
Indeed, if you take things to their logical conclusion, Keir Starmer should be prevented from standing for the Labour Party for being a member of the shadow cabinet of a person (Corbyn) who has been prevented from standing for reasons not dissimilar to those for which Ken Loach was expelled (which are incidentally not antisemitism).
And why stop there, why not prevent any person from standing for Labour who has ever watched a Ken Loach film? [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 9:59]
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:38 - Jun 9 with 1860 views | lowhouseblue |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:36 - Jun 9 by WeWereZombies |
How are things on that washing line ? Dry yet ? |
is that a ken loach film review? sounds like one of his racier ones.
i have a low threshold for earnestness i'm afraid. | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:43 - Jun 9 with 1839 views | WeWereZombies |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:38 - Jun 9 by lowhouseblue |
is that a ken loach film review? sounds like one of his racier ones.
i have a low threshold for earnestness i'm afraid. |
Hmm, so sarcasm goes over your head. Sorry, but I am listening to 'Desert Island Discs' at the moment and was hearing Jeremy Bowen's account of the death of his driver under Israeli gunfire. I guess I have a low threshold for dimness... | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 10:05 - Jun 9 with 1810 views | Blueschev |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:38 - Jun 9 by DJR |
I think the issue I have with what has happened is that Driscoll wasn't attending, say, a Labour Against the Witch Hunt event. Nor was he supporting Ken Loach politically. In addition, I have I seen no evidence that Driscoll featured in any of the controversy surrounding antisemitism when Corbyn was leader.
Instead, he was interviewing the director of a film set in, and premiered in, the north east, something that I think that any other Labour mayor would have done. But had Andy Burnham done it, I don't think he would have received the same sanction, not least because Starmer has a favoured candidate to replace Driscoll, who would almost certainly have been beaten by Driscoll.
The problem it seems to me is the increasing phenomena of guilt by association, something I have grave issues with in a liberal democracy. And the question is where does it stop? Should Starmer not be allowed to stand for Labour at the next election because he has shared a Question Time platform with Ken Loach? Ditto David Lammy who wrote an article praising a Ken Loach film in 2019. And should there be a backlash against the BBC for the fact that Ken Loach's latest film is co-produced by the BBC? Or for the BBC producing programmes such as this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001d4nq
Indeed, if you take things to their logical conclusion, Keir Starmer should be prevented from standing for the Labour Party for being a member of the shadow cabinet of a person (Corbyn) who has been prevented from standing for reasons not dissimilar to those for which Ken Loach was expelled (which are incidentally not antisemitism).
And why stop there, why not prevent any person from standing for Labour who has ever watched a Ken Loach film? [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 9:59]
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I think we all know this has absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with removing the left from the Labour Party. It's absolutely disgusting and makes me feel ashamed to be a member of such a party. | | | |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 10:33 - Jun 9 with 1757 views | leitrimblue |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:34 - Jun 9 by lowhouseblue |
film awards and watchability don't always coincide. perceived worthiness, as evidenced by guardian film reviews, often trumps any other form of merit. |
You coulda just said your more of a City Skickers 2 man |  | | |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 10:36 - Jun 9 with 1756 views | Darth_Koont |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 09:38 - Jun 9 by lowhouseblue |
is that a ken loach film review? sounds like one of his racier ones.
i have a low threshold for earnestness i'm afraid. |
And a high threshold for right-wing sh!thousery and smearing social democracy.
In that respect, you’ve now got the Labour Party you’ve always dreamed about. | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 10:53 - Jun 9 with 1705 views | DJR |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 10:05 - Jun 9 by Blueschev |
I think we all know this has absolutely nothing to do with antisemitism and everything to do with removing the left from the Labour Party. It's absolutely disgusting and makes me feel ashamed to be a member of such a party. |
They might as well go the whole hog and remove "democratic socialist", neither of which they support, from Clause IV, which appears on my membership card. | | | |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 10:59 - Jun 9 with 1670 views | lowhouseblue |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 10:33 - Jun 9 by leitrimblue |
You coulda just said your more of a City Skickers 2 man |
i suspect ken loach films are one of those things people feel they ought to like. liking them being more a political statement than an expression of enjoyment. | |
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| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 11:02 - Jun 9 with 1651 views | lowhouseblue |
| For the crime of talking to Ken Loach. on 10:36 - Jun 9 by Darth_Koont |
And a high threshold for right-wing sh!thousery and smearing social democracy.
In that respect, you’ve now got the Labour Party you’ve always dreamed about. |
and you're a sixth form, know it all, internet faux radical, with all the impact of liz truss's rotting lettuce. | |
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