| Cricket Day 5 10:45 - Jun 20 with 6665 views | gainsboroughblue |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 06:58 - Jun 21 with 764 views | Herbivore |
A lot being made of the declaration, but personally the bigger issue for me was the fielding. We missed too many chances, chances that if we'd taken them we would have won that game comfortably. That was the one area where Australia were better than us, they didn't put much down at all and took some sharp chances. Bairstow alone probably cost us 100+ runs from missing chances that are routine for an international class wicketkeeper. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 09:12 - Jun 21 with 682 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket Day 5 on 00:51 - Jun 21 by Vegtablue |
Alternatively, the opportunity for opening batsmen to experience a docile pitch on day 1 gave Khawaja the confidence and lessons to post his 141. No wickets were close to being taken late on day 1, as much as some jittery miscommunication gave brief optimism. Australia were always set for an early start on day 2 save for a brilliant end to our own innings (one that would have given us a monster total). It took a lot of weather interruption for overs to become of interest and even then the draw probability remained tiny - our run rate does a lot to negate this concern these days. Many overs could also have been retrieved with a 2nd innings declaration, in the event we were comfortable with the total, when instead we were toiling at the end to eek out every last slowly accumulated run.
Root and Robinson were well in at the time we settled for an opening day score that was clearly (IMO) below par for the surface and conditions. Runs were ultimately short and 280 felt light before the run-chase, given the pitch was offering very little to the seamers and there was so much time for Australia to pace themselves. We looked destined to win when the Aussie mindset switched to "it isn't viable to nurse the runs anymore", but the absence of runs on the board meant only a few risky overs were needed before they fancied their chances again and settled into a lower risk chase.
I've laboured the point 😂 but it feels very debatable whether sacrificing quick runs so early, for an extra 5-15 overs in the field and a brief extra opening spell on a batting day, was not an error. We wouldn't have anticipated losing our premium spinner for day 5 at that point either, which made taking wickets that much harder. Stokes made the point he wants to continue making decisions as though it isn't Australia in the Ashes. The sentiment is great, but he shouldn't be afraid to factor in the strength of the opposition's batting lineup and what the pitch is doing. |
The declaration wasn't the main reason England lost the game, but it smacked of "look at me - aren't I aggressive" captaincy. Root in prime form & Robinson looking comfortable against tired bowlers, with 4 days to go in a match - utterly irrational. If Root had got out, yes, fair enough - probably wouldn't have cost many runs. But this idea of "psychological advantage" is usually nonsense talked about by commentators with nothing else to say. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 09:26 - Jun 21 with 665 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cricket Day 5 on 09:12 - Jun 21 by Radlett_blue |
The declaration wasn't the main reason England lost the game, but it smacked of "look at me - aren't I aggressive" captaincy. Root in prime form & Robinson looking comfortable against tired bowlers, with 4 days to go in a match - utterly irrational. If Root had got out, yes, fair enough - probably wouldn't have cost many runs. But this idea of "psychological advantage" is usually nonsense talked about by commentators with nothing else to say. |
Some of each. Taking the chances, or getting an extra 40/50 would both, in all likelihood, have won the match.
People also underestimate the importance of wearing the opposition out in the field when trying to take 2nd innings wickets. The longer they field, the lest they have in the tank when coming out to bat. |  | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 10:16 - Jun 21 with 626 views | artsbossbeard |
| Cricket Day 5 on 06:58 - Jun 21 by Herbivore |
A lot being made of the declaration, but personally the bigger issue for me was the fielding. We missed too many chances, chances that if we'd taken them we would have won that game comfortably. That was the one area where Australia were better than us, they didn't put much down at all and took some sharp chances. Bairstow alone probably cost us 100+ runs from missing chances that are routine for an international class wicketkeeper. |
Don't necessarily think the declaration was the issue - in fact, there were plenty of rumblings around me at the time stating that this would be a bold but understandable move.
The inability to grab a wicket or two in the hour to come played a big part in things and although I don't recall any real chances dropped in that time, there were def some wicket keeping mixed in with some quite brilliant stops in the field too.
Exceptional test match and great to see England got toe-to-toe with the big Gallahs. [Post edited 21 Jun 2023 10:35]
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| Cricket Day 5 on 10:52 - Jun 21 with 579 views | Guthrum |
| Cricket Day 5 on 21:39 - Jun 20 by strikalite |
You don't think mindset would have been changed if they had to chase down say 330? I think another 50 runs is a different game, they could see the finish line from 220 ish I think.. |
But that is rather the point. Being able to see the finish line entices a team to play more aggressively, thus taking extra risks. 330 with the rain delays (which were known to be likely) means the Aussies could have played for the draw, making them even harder to winkle out. And allowing a draw is not within the Bazball philosophy.
Which may not be a sensible thing, but that's another debate. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 11:02 - Jun 21 with 573 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Cricket Day 5 on 10:52 - Jun 21 by Guthrum |
But that is rather the point. Being able to see the finish line entices a team to play more aggressively, thus taking extra risks. 330 with the rain delays (which were known to be likely) means the Aussies could have played for the draw, making them even harder to winkle out. And allowing a draw is not within the Bazball philosophy.
Which may not be a sensible thing, but that's another debate. |
Too many extras also played a part. Australia bowled 5 no balls in the game. Stokes bowled 6 in 7 overs in Australia’s first innings. England over 20 NBs in the game.
Giving runs away. |  |
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