| Cricket Day 5 10:45 - Jun 20 with 6663 views | gainsboroughblue |
Weather forecast doesn't look good at all. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 18:44 - Jun 20 with 1563 views | pointofblue |
| Cricket Day 5 on 18:41 - Jun 20 by Pinewoodblue |
You also give runs away easier with a new ball |
Cummins smacked 12 off Root with the old. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 18:46 - Jun 20 with 1557 views | gainsboroughblue |
Edgbaston 2005 vibes here. | |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 18:48 - Jun 20 with 1534 views | Ryorry |
This is a tail (sic) of dropped catches :( |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 18:48 - Jun 20 with 1535 views | Steve_M |
| Cricket Day 5 on 18:39 - Jun 20 by gainsboroughblue |
We've got to surely back ourselves with the new ball here.
Edit. Now taken. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 18:39]
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Totally fuked it.
That Root over for 14 changed the whole impetus again.
Great Test match but going for too many runs. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 18:49 - Jun 20 with 1509 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Cricket Day 5 on 18:48 - Jun 20 by Steve_M |
Totally fuked it.
That Root over for 14 changed the whole impetus again.
Great Test match but going for too many runs. |
Aus just basically need to play sensibly now and they are there. | |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:01 - Jun 20 with 1463 views | gainsboroughblue |
Nothing is happening is it? | |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:21 - Jun 20 with 1402 views | gainsboroughblue |
At the risk of sounding sore, we have absolutely gifted that. | |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:24 - Jun 20 with 1385 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:21 - Jun 20 by gainsboroughblue |
At the risk of sounding sore, we have absolutely gifted that. |
Indeed. Left runs out there first and second innings. Dropped good chances behind the stumps. | | | |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:26 - Jun 20 with 1371 views | strikalite |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:24 - Jun 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Indeed. Left runs out there first and second innings. Dropped good chances behind the stumps. |
Who declares under 400 against a side of this quality.. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 19:26]
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:26 - Jun 20 with 1370 views | Ryorry |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:21 - Jun 20 by gainsboroughblue |
At the risk of sounding sore, we have absolutely gifted that. |
At least it was an entertaining game.
Stokes in particular will have learned from it I'm sure.
Just can't legislate for butterfingers of course. | |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:28 - Jun 20 with 1364 views | Steve_M |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:21 - Jun 20 by gainsboroughblue |
At the risk of sounding sore, we have absolutely gifted that. |
Even going back to the last 70 minutes we gave it away, they were totally put of it when Carey went.
As much as the failings on the pitch, I'm not sure that the bowling selection was right. Ali's injury was unfortunate but always possible but it took Robinson most of the first innings to get going so only Broad has been on top form.
Real shame they weren't nine down at the end, there wasn't quite enough jeopardy for them with one in hand. | |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:28 - Jun 20 with 1361 views | Ryorry |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:24 - Jun 20 by redrickstuhaart |
Indeed. Left runs out there first and second innings. Dropped good chances behind the stumps. |
Bairstow will be the next dropped ... | |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:36 - Jun 20 with 1337 views | portmanking |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:26 - Jun 20 by strikalite |
Who declares under 400 against a side of this quality.. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 19:26]
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I totally agree. I've been impressed by the turnaround in fortunes of our national team like everyone else, but that 1st Innings declaration was pure arrogance. Make them bowl you out and earn every wicket. Australia must have been ROFLing.
On the first day of the first test, to throw away another potential 50+ runs was criminal. That could be the one decision Stokes rues in his career in 20 years' time.
As for our bowling attack, I'm afraid it looks decidedly pedestrian. We need more 'X Factor' in there. Whether it's Mark Wood or even taking a risk with a Rehan Ahmed, we need someone who the Aussies fear. | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:41 - Jun 20 with 1318 views | Vegtablue |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:26 - Jun 20 by strikalite |
Who declares under 400 against a side of this quality.. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 19:26]
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Agree it was loony to decline free-flowing runs on day 1 when the pitch was a road, but enough opportunities went by elsewhere that the debrief could fairly go in many directions.
In the end a great game! | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:46 - Jun 20 with 1305 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:36 - Jun 20 by portmanking |
I totally agree. I've been impressed by the turnaround in fortunes of our national team like everyone else, but that 1st Innings declaration was pure arrogance. Make them bowl you out and earn every wicket. Australia must have been ROFLing.
On the first day of the first test, to throw away another potential 50+ runs was criminal. That could be the one decision Stokes rues in his career in 20 years' time.
As for our bowling attack, I'm afraid it looks decidedly pedestrian. We need more 'X Factor' in there. Whether it's Mark Wood or even taking a risk with a Rehan Ahmed, we need someone who the Aussies fear. |
What concerns me, is that our very approach is potentially very harmful to our attack, particularly in a five match series played over six weeks.
I'm all for aggression but Stokes has to consider that his bowlers need a decent break and only batting for between 50-70 overs per innings regardless of the total is not going to do that, especially with a 40 and 37 year old spearheading the attack, along with no first choice spinner and a reluctant bowling skipper, who also never seems to be far away from a strain or some sort.
Aus are a good side and know chances will come so they'll just wait for the mistakes. They also have the batsmen who can score big, occupy the crease and basically have our bowlers totally flat out. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 19:48]
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| Cricket Day 5 on 19:49 - Jun 20 with 1297 views | portmanking |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:46 - Jun 20 by gainsboroughblue |
What concerns me, is that our very approach is potentially very harmful to our attack, particularly in a five match series played over six weeks.
I'm all for aggression but Stokes has to consider that his bowlers need a decent break and only batting for between 50-70 overs per innings regardless of the total is not going to do that, especially with a 40 and 37 year old spearheading the attack, along with no first choice spinner and a reluctant bowling skipper, who also never seems to be far away from a strain or some sort.
Aus are a good side and know chances will come so they'll just wait for the mistakes. They also have the batsmen who can score big, occupy the crease and basically have our bowlers totally flat out. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 19:48]
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Yep. It's an attritional style of play used with an ageing, fragile squad. What could possibly go wrong?! | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 20:04 - Jun 20 with 1263 views | strikalite |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:36 - Jun 20 by portmanking |
I totally agree. I've been impressed by the turnaround in fortunes of our national team like everyone else, but that 1st Innings declaration was pure arrogance. Make them bowl you out and earn every wicket. Australia must have been ROFLing.
On the first day of the first test, to throw away another potential 50+ runs was criminal. That could be the one decision Stokes rues in his career in 20 years' time.
As for our bowling attack, I'm afraid it looks decidedly pedestrian. We need more 'X Factor' in there. Whether it's Mark Wood or even taking a risk with a Rehan Ahmed, we need someone who the Aussies fear. |
Make 450 and it's very unlikely that you lose the match, you can't afford to lose the first Test, yes and the weakness re our bowling threat made the 450 even more crucial... | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 21:06 - Jun 20 with 1210 views | Guthrum |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:21 - Jun 20 by gainsboroughblue |
At the risk of sounding sore, we have absolutely gifted that. |
That's a little harsh, IMO. Without compromising style and approach, England suffered the narrowest of defeats to probably the best side in the world at the moment (just beat India fairly comprehensively in the Test final).
Moeen's damaged finger denied us a front-line spinner operating at full capacity on a well-suited pitch. Yes, there were dropped chances and some poor shot selection when batting (tho the Aussies did that sometimes, too).
However, I don't think the declaration was particularly an error. Runs were not the issue, taking Aussie wickets was. That was what it was for and the following morning justified it, with Warner, Labuschagne and Smith all out cheaply.
All England needs to do now is find where Khawaja's weak point is (if he has one). |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 21:39 - Jun 20 with 1179 views | strikalite |
| Cricket Day 5 on 21:06 - Jun 20 by Guthrum |
That's a little harsh, IMO. Without compromising style and approach, England suffered the narrowest of defeats to probably the best side in the world at the moment (just beat India fairly comprehensively in the Test final).
Moeen's damaged finger denied us a front-line spinner operating at full capacity on a well-suited pitch. Yes, there were dropped chances and some poor shot selection when batting (tho the Aussies did that sometimes, too).
However, I don't think the declaration was particularly an error. Runs were not the issue, taking Aussie wickets was. That was what it was for and the following morning justified it, with Warner, Labuschagne and Smith all out cheaply.
All England needs to do now is find where Khawaja's weak point is (if he has one). |
You don't think mindset would have been changed if they had to chase down say 330? I think another 50 runs is a different game, they could see the finish line from 220 ish I think.. | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 21:52 - Jun 20 with 1163 views | BlueOura |
| Cricket Day 5 on 21:39 - Jun 20 by strikalite |
You don't think mindset would have been changed if they had to chase down say 330? I think another 50 runs is a different game, they could see the finish line from 220 ish I think.. |
I agree, the declaration was madness. Stokes trying to be too clever and just ended up looking a bit silly in the end. |  | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 22:06 - Jun 20 with 1136 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cricket Day 5 on 21:39 - Jun 20 by strikalite |
You don't think mindset would have been changed if they had to chase down say 330? I think another 50 runs is a different game, they could see the finish line from 220 ish I think.. |
Exactly. Another 50... Well maybe they get there, but the chances are slim with the new ball. | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 22:42 - Jun 20 with 1118 views | Radlett_blue |
| Cricket Day 5 on 19:46 - Jun 20 by gainsboroughblue |
What concerns me, is that our very approach is potentially very harmful to our attack, particularly in a five match series played over six weeks.
I'm all for aggression but Stokes has to consider that his bowlers need a decent break and only batting for between 50-70 overs per innings regardless of the total is not going to do that, especially with a 40 and 37 year old spearheading the attack, along with no first choice spinner and a reluctant bowling skipper, who also never seems to be far away from a strain or some sort.
Aus are a good side and know chances will come so they'll just wait for the mistakes. They also have the batsmen who can score big, occupy the crease and basically have our bowlers totally flat out. [Post edited 20 Jun 2023 19:48]
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Anderson didn't have a good match & while Broad bowled well, he got through 44 overs & looked a spent force at the end. Aged 36, he probably should be rested from the next Test. Stokes not being fit enough to bowl more than a few overs seriously unbalances the attack, as does having a #1 spinner with a dodgy finger. Bairstow has again shown he isn't a Test wicket keeper, but I suppose his batting means he will continue to be favoured over Foakes. |  |
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| Cricket Day 5 on 22:59 - Jun 20 with 1114 views | stonojnr |
| Cricket Day 5 on 21:39 - Jun 20 by strikalite |
You don't think mindset would have been changed if they had to chase down say 330? I think another 50 runs is a different game, they could see the finish line from 220 ish I think.. |
I said on Thursday its an inspired decision if it comes off, but if because of a rain delay & the Aussies bat long in their 1st innings, and it ends up setting them up for a cheeky 200 run chase on the last day...bad call.
the point really about it was they didnt have to do it, it was more a statement, rather than the position in the game, and everything we know about playing any Australian side in the Ashes is you never give them an inch. | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 23:23 - Jun 20 with 1088 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cricket Day 5 on 22:42 - Jun 20 by Radlett_blue |
Anderson didn't have a good match & while Broad bowled well, he got through 44 overs & looked a spent force at the end. Aged 36, he probably should be rested from the next Test. Stokes not being fit enough to bowl more than a few overs seriously unbalances the attack, as does having a #1 spinner with a dodgy finger. Bairstow has again shown he isn't a Test wicket keeper, but I suppose his batting means he will continue to be favoured over Foakes. |
Unless we are going to set up some English style pitches, you have to pick Broad over Anderson currently. Problem with playing Wood, who may have made the difference this afternoon, is that with Stokes not properly fit, the workload on Broad and Robinson would be enormous. | | | |
| Cricket Day 5 on 00:51 - Jun 21 with 1053 views | Vegtablue |
| Cricket Day 5 on 21:06 - Jun 20 by Guthrum |
That's a little harsh, IMO. Without compromising style and approach, England suffered the narrowest of defeats to probably the best side in the world at the moment (just beat India fairly comprehensively in the Test final).
Moeen's damaged finger denied us a front-line spinner operating at full capacity on a well-suited pitch. Yes, there were dropped chances and some poor shot selection when batting (tho the Aussies did that sometimes, too).
However, I don't think the declaration was particularly an error. Runs were not the issue, taking Aussie wickets was. That was what it was for and the following morning justified it, with Warner, Labuschagne and Smith all out cheaply.
All England needs to do now is find where Khawaja's weak point is (if he has one). |
Alternatively, the opportunity for opening batsmen to experience a docile pitch on day 1 gave Khawaja the confidence and lessons to post his 141. No wickets were close to being taken late on day 1, as much as some jittery miscommunication gave brief optimism. Australia were always set for an early start on day 2 save for a brilliant end to our own innings (one that would have given us a monster total). It took a lot of weather interruption for overs to become of interest and even then the draw probability remained tiny - our run rate does a lot to negate this concern these days. Many overs could also have been retrieved with a 2nd innings declaration, in the event we were comfortable with the total, when instead we were toiling at the end to eek out every last slowly accumulated run.
Root and Robinson were well in at the time we settled for an opening day score that was clearly (IMO) below par for the surface and conditions. Runs were ultimately short and 280 felt light before the run-chase, given the pitch was offering very little to the seamers and there was so much time for Australia to pace themselves. We looked destined to win when the Aussie mindset switched to "it isn't viable to nurse the runs anymore", but the absence of runs on the board meant only a few risky overs were needed before they fancied their chances again and settled into a lower risk chase.
I've laboured the point 😂 but it feels very debatable whether sacrificing quick runs so early, for an extra 5-15 overs in the field and a brief extra opening spell on a batting day, was not an error. We wouldn't have anticipated losing our premium spinner for day 5 at that point either, which made taking wickets that much harder. Stokes made the point he wants to continue making decisions as though it isn't Australia in the Ashes. The sentiment is great, but he shouldn't be afraid to factor in the strength of the opposition's batting lineup and what the pitch is doing. | | | |
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