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Question for the older members of the board 16:23 - Jul 5 with 6861 viewsSitfcB

…Factual, PJH etc.

Or those that maybe know.

With the NHS being 75 today, and never having really thought about it deeply, what was before the NHS??

And what was it like? Can’t imagine it was very good?

I suppose something like that only being around for 75 years is still quite ‘new’ when you think about it.
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Question for the older members of the board… on 12:27 - Jul 6 with 1029 viewsthe_toff

Question for the older members of the board… on 20:54 - Jul 5 by Ryorry

I's still offensive to those of us over 60 s who are vehemently opposed to the tories & everything they do, esp the current bunch of a*holes, to suggest as H did that we *all* vote for the #ToryCriminalsUnfitToGovern though.


Where did he suggest all over 60's vote Tory?
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Question for the older members of the board… on 13:42 - Jul 6 with 1006 viewsDJR

Question for the older members of the board… on 09:33 - Jul 6 by Ryorry

Really shocked to hear on a BBC radio docu y'day that the life expectancy for UK men just prior to the inception of the NHS, was 48

When applying for visas for a holiday to the USA in the '80s, I had to choose whether to accept or permanently decline US citizenship (my Dad was born there, though the family returned to E. Europe shortly afterwards, he kept dual citizenship right through his life).

I declined, purely on the grounds that I was likely to need medical care, ie the NHS, later in my life for one already existing condition, which would be unaffordable in the USA. For that reason alone, I knew I could never live in the States.


Interesting story about the US but male life expectancy at the inception of the NHS was around 66.

The table in the following link is interesting because it actually shows a sharper increase in life expectancy before the NHS (due to health improvements in the younger population) than after (where it was primarily due to health improvements in the older population).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lif

Sadly, due to austerity, life expectancy in recent years has ceased to increase at all, making a nonsense of plans to increase the state pension age.
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Question for the older members of the board… on 13:49 - Jul 6 with 992 viewsRyorry

Question for the older members of the board… on 13:42 - Jul 6 by DJR

Interesting story about the US but male life expectancy at the inception of the NHS was around 66.

The table in the following link is interesting because it actually shows a sharper increase in life expectancy before the NHS (due to health improvements in the younger population) than after (where it was primarily due to health improvements in the older population).

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lif

Sadly, due to austerity, life expectancy in recent years has ceased to increase at all, making a nonsense of plans to increase the state pension age.
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Thanks, I did wonder if the figure quoted in the docu was correct!

Good point about the raising of pension age, given the austerity halt in life expectancy.

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Question for the older members of the board… on 21:30 - Jul 24 with 811 viewsWeWereZombies

This is available on the iPlayer for the next fortnight to directly answer your question. Just watched it and found it fascinating:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mytsg/timeshift-series-12-1-health-befo

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Question for the older members of the board… on 22:58 - Jul 24 with 783 viewsRyorry

Question for the older members of the board… on 21:30 - Jul 24 by WeWereZombies

This is available on the iPlayer for the next fortnight to directly answer your question. Just watched it and found it fascinating:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mytsg/timeshift-series-12-1-health-befo


Also, you could read and/or watch and/or listen to 'The Citadel', a novel by AJ Cronin -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Citadel_(novel)

https://healthandcare.scot/stories/3482/k/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000935r
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Question for the older members of the board… on 08:04 - Jul 25 with 716 viewsDJR

Question for the older members of the board… on 22:58 - Jul 24 by Ryorry

Also, you could read and/or watch and/or listen to 'The Citadel', a novel by AJ Cronin -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Citadel_(novel)

https://healthandcare.scot/stories/3482/k/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000935r
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A J Cronin is a largely unknown and unheralded person these day, although I well remember Dr Finlay's Casebook from my childhood. And looking at his Wikipedia page, it's clear that he had a fascinating life, living the last 25 years of his life in Switzerland, and counting Laurence Olivier, Charlie Chaplin and Audrey Hepburn among his friends.

His was a time when Scots in all fields, including football, had a far greater influence on the world than the size of the nation would appear to justify.

And just like its earlier advances in public education, the following suggests that healthcare in Scotland before the NHS was more equitable than elsewhere in the UK,

"Half of Scotland’s landmass was already covered by a state-funded health system serving the whole community and directly run from Edinburgh. The Highlands and Islands Medical Service had been set up 35 years earlier.

In addition, the war years had seen a state-funded hospital building programme in Scotland on a scale unknown in Europe. This was incorporated into the new NHS.

Scotland also had its own distinctive medical tradition – centred on its medical schools rather than private practice. And a detailed plan for the future of health with the Cathcart report."
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Question for the older members of the board… on 09:34 - Jul 25 with 694 viewsEwan_Oozami

Question for the older members of the board… on 20:13 - Jul 5 by HARRY10

err, that was my point

And hilarity unbounded,as two righties desperately try to defend their betters

Rightie one points out how only 2 oldies voted Tory so oldies do not vote Tory - whereas the actual voting figures give lie to that nonsense.

Rightie two tries to turn a gentle dig at a particular poster into a widespread attack upon ALL NHS staff.

Still, if you are tasked with defending the Tory Party then it is not surprising this is the best you can conjure. And you can see why these two cap doffers are desperate to distract from

{i]"The quality of care that the NHS provides has got worse in many key areas and patients’ long waits to access treatment could become even more common, research has found. The coalition government’s austerity programme in the early 2010s led to the heath service in England no longer being able to meet key waiting time targets, the Nuffield Trust and Health Foundation said." Wed 5 Jul 2023 19.33 BST

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jul/05/austerity-has-led-to-nhs-quality


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You are the obsolete SRN4 to my Fairey Rotodyne....
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Question for the older members of the board… on 08:25 - Jul 6 by Churchman

There’s no such thing as a ‘lowly job’ in my world. Every job is important and everyone should be treated with respect. Properly as one expects to be treated oneself. It has always amazed me that so many people ignore that.
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Oh I don't know, being Putin's East Englian Football Forum Disruption Agent must be right down there for a top-notch legal mind like Harry's...

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Question for the older members of the board on 18:23 - Jul 25 with 663 viewsWeWereZombies

Here is the second programme in the mini series about the decades preceding the NHS and the establishment of our unified health service:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01n3vq9/timeshift-series-12-2-health-befo

This hour focuses on hospitals and organisation (the first programme was more bout local practices and midwives.)

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