| Player Trading 06:09 - Nov 4 with 4296 views | LA_Tractor_Boy |
None of us want to lose any of our best players, but we have to accept that player trading will be part of our strategy.
As well as playing entertaining football, KMc has also managed increase the value of our squad from zilch to £££s, now that the players he inherited are performing in the Championship.
Walton, Hladky, Burgess, Baggott, Woolfy, Edmondson, JD, Humphreys, Morsy, Chaplin, Burns, Jackson have all improved under McKenna. Davis and Broadhead have also increased in value.
I can see us receiving bids for some of these players that are too good to turn down, as we attempt to navigate FFP. Let's just hope that Ashton and McKenna stay aligned in their thinking. |  | | |  |
| Player Trading on 10:52 - Nov 4 with 849 views | Herbivore |
| Player Trading on 10:49 - Nov 4 by monty_radio |
I think Davis might well be the subject of January bids from low-middling Prem sides, but not, as yet, from anyone higher. The way that he was skinned for Plymouth's second goal would not pass unnoticed. I hope for his sake, he manages to better the superb career of Cresswell. Leif is more athletic, although not as unerring with the killer pass. With Cressie, it was the lack of recovery speed that placed a ceiling on him. That won't be Leif's problem, but getting regularly turned certainly would dictate who considered a bid and who didn't. |
I imagine him setting up two goals wouldn't have gone unnoticed either to be fair. I think he could attract interest from the upper middling Prem sides, he's not the fully finished article but he has so many positive attributes that people want from a modern fullback. |  |
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| Player Trading on 10:57 - Nov 4 with 833 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Player Trading on 09:26 - Nov 4 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Realistically. on 17:34 - Nov 3 with 87 views LegendofthePhoenix
The level of success we are enjoying so far has probably forced something of a rethink. Had we been mid table, I would have expected some of our more valuable assets (e.g. Davis, Broadhead) to be sold for £5M - £10M, and the money invested in young players for around £1M- £2M each. However, that isn't where we are. We cannot deny that we have a very realistic chance of Premier League football next season. Which completely changes the finances. It means instead of selling our most valuable assets, we should keep them and upgrade 6 or 7 of the weakest players in the squad with players as good as or better than the best players in the squad. We could wait to the summer, but if Nov and Dec do well and we maintain the gap at 8-10 points then I could see some big changes again in January, as last year but the next level up.
Sorry I don't know how you link/paste any earlier post into a new thread, but I posted this yesterday. [Post edited 4 Nov 2023 9:28]
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We now have fringe players who could move on for reasonable fees, freeing up a bit to bring alternatives in.
FFP seems to mean that we can't spend big in January without selling first.
I agree that Davis & Broadhead are the big risks, but even they have their price. If we could make £10m from Davis, we could replace him + strengthen elsewhere. (Personally, I would rather roll the dice by keeping the squad we have, recognising that failure to win promotion would likely see that player move on in the summer.) | | | |
| Player Trading on 11:00 - Nov 4 with 816 views | Herbivore |
| Player Trading on 09:26 - Nov 4 by LegendofthePhoenix |
Realistically. on 17:34 - Nov 3 with 87 views LegendofthePhoenix
The level of success we are enjoying so far has probably forced something of a rethink. Had we been mid table, I would have expected some of our more valuable assets (e.g. Davis, Broadhead) to be sold for £5M - £10M, and the money invested in young players for around £1M- £2M each. However, that isn't where we are. We cannot deny that we have a very realistic chance of Premier League football next season. Which completely changes the finances. It means instead of selling our most valuable assets, we should keep them and upgrade 6 or 7 of the weakest players in the squad with players as good as or better than the best players in the squad. We could wait to the summer, but if Nov and Dec do well and we maintain the gap at 8-10 points then I could see some big changes again in January, as last year but the next level up.
Sorry I don't know how you link/paste any earlier post into a new thread, but I posted this yesterday. [Post edited 4 Nov 2023 9:28]
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I can't see us selling the likes of Davis and Broadhead for as little as £5m to £10m. Davis in particular will go for a lot more than that. | |
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| Player Trading on 11:04 - Nov 4 with 811 views | BigCommon |
Assuming Leeds have a hefty sell on fee for Davis, that would bring down any net outlay, if they wanted tp put an offer in.... But it makes no sense whatsoever for us to sell any key players this January.. Even to Prem' interest, I'd expect Ashton to say " hands off for now, but ask again in The Summer"..
We need to add players, not start breaking up a very harmonious group.. |  | | |
| Player Trading on 11:05 - Nov 4 with 809 views | OldFart71 |
Unless McKenna has a player in readiness to replace a player currently at PR I can't see us letting them go. If we want to be a Premier League side we need to add and not subtract the best of our squad. The players I see being able to let go and be replaced would be Burgess, Jackson, Edmindson, Aluko, Ladapo, Walton for the right price and Evans. It was pretty obvious from Wednesday nights game and I appreciate we placed a second eleven, that we are some way short of being a Premier League club. The last thing I want is for us to be promoted, lose a majority of our games and get demoted in the same season. It was bad enough under Burley where a few really bad signings were made, we spent a huge amount on two new stands and administration followed. I frankly don't see that happening under the current owners and management as I believe their sourcing of players is much better and we have a multi million pound fund behind us. But there's that underlying thing about the overall quality of our squad that say's to me an awful lot would need to change in order to turn us into a squad that could compete and stay in the Prem. | | | |
| Player Trading on 11:08 - Nov 4 with 803 views | OldFart71 |
| Player Trading on 08:18 - Nov 4 by gosblue |
I could see us cashing in on Walton and Clarke but I hope not. Maybe loan them out in January along with Humphreys and Baggot to make room in the squad for a title push. |
No way would I loan Baggott out. I believe he is almost ready for the first 11 now. If Hladky continues to perform to the same standard and we could obtain a decent amount for Walton and of course have decent backup then maybe sell him. | | | |
| Player Trading on 12:18 - Nov 4 with 756 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Player Trading on 10:49 - Nov 4 by monty_radio |
I think Davis might well be the subject of January bids from low-middling Prem sides, but not, as yet, from anyone higher. The way that he was skinned for Plymouth's second goal would not pass unnoticed. I hope for his sake, he manages to better the superb career of Cresswell. Leif is more athletic, although not as unerring with the killer pass. With Cressie, it was the lack of recovery speed that placed a ceiling on him. That won't be Leif's problem, but getting regularly turned certainly would dictate who considered a bid and who didn't. |
I think Davis will end up at Newcastle or Liverpool within the next 2-3 years. I rate him that highly. He won't be going anywhere in January though. He's developing superbly here under McKenna and there is a good chance he's a PL player in 6 months with us anyway. | | | |
| Player Trading on 12:25 - Nov 4 with 752 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Player Trading on 09:23 - Nov 4 by NthQldITFC |
Is it the case then, in an example scenario we lost something like £13m in each of the last three years (to take us up to the limit of £39m), we haven't just got the £13m (loss from 3 years ago, that's fallen out the back of the 3 year period) to play with this time?
I presume we can go a bit beyond that by structuring payments into the next few seasons (with the agreement of selling clubs), although we'll have to then sell to cover those or get promoted within a couple of years?
Is that, in simple terms, pretty much how it works? |
Yes, it is based on the accounting losses, adjusted for any 'allowable expenditure' i.e on academy, infrastructure, women's team etc. So the loss figure you see in last year's accounts won't be the loss we are working with for FFP. I'd guess a couple of million of that will be expenditure on the training pitches, stadium etc.
How you structure deals is key. If we bought a player for £5m and sold a player for £10m, you'd assume we've made a £5m profit in the year. But, if we bought that player for £5m up front with the sale being £10m over 4 years, in accounting terms we've actually made a £2.5m loss for this year.
As we have no idea how deals are structured or what we've spent on 'allowable expenditure' it is pointless us fans speculating on where we are with FFP! | | | |
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