| Be careful what you wish for 09:02 - Nov 5 with 2864 views | DJR |
I imagine this is just political posturing, and will never see the light of day, but the suggestion of broadening the definition of extremism to include anyone who “undermines” the country’s institutions and its values could end up with all Conservative MPs and ministers of the last 13 years in the dock. And let's not forget that nice Mr Clegg, a supporter of the austerity that has led to public services on the brink of collapse.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/04/plans-to-redefine-extremism-woul [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 9:05]
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| Be careful what you wish for on 09:17 - Nov 5 with 2793 views | Guthrum |
I'm mose concerned that it will lead to journalists and opposition politicians being maliciously prosecuted for ill-defined "crimes against the state". |  |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 09:27 - Nov 5 with 2761 views | EdwardStone |
Ha.... that was exactly my first thought when I saw the headline. Life sentences for the whole dang lot of them from Thatcher onwards. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 9:28]
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| Be careful what you wish for on 09:43 - Nov 5 with 2721 views | Darth_Koont |
I think it’s time to use the f word.
We seem to be seeing authoritarianism on the rise domestically and internationally. Along with the religious/ethnic/cultural nationalism that fuels it. |  |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 11:09 - Nov 5 with 2599 views | Pinewoodblue |
Seems dangerous to me, you could speak out about the elected government and be regarded as an extremist. |  |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 14:34 - Nov 5 with 2484 views | factual_blue |
| Be careful what you wish for on 09:17 - Nov 5 by Guthrum |
I'm mose concerned that it will lead to journalists and opposition politicians being maliciously prosecuted for ill-defined "crimes against the state". |
Sue Ellen Braverman, on the other hand, is hopeful that that it will lead to journalists and opposition politicians being maliciously prosecuted for ill-defined "crimes against the state". |  |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 15:28 - Nov 5 with 2433 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Be careful what you wish for on 09:43 - Nov 5 by Darth_Koont |
I think it’s time to use the f word.
We seem to be seeing authoritarianism on the rise domestically and internationally. Along with the religious/ethnic/cultural nationalism that fuels it. |
Frimmers?
No surprise to see Gove is behind this, the snivelling little sh*tweasel. |  |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 15:32 - Nov 5 with 2407 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Be careful what you wish for on 15:28 - Nov 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Frimmers?
No surprise to see Gove is behind this, the snivelling little sh*tweasel. |
Although that explains a lot, I still think that's a harsh way to describe Frimmers. |  |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 16:36 - Nov 5 with 2306 views | DJR |
Perhaps the most chilling aspect of the Guardian article is that it states that the Muslim Council of Britain would be captured by the new definition of extremism.
This is clear evidence of the increasing Islamophobia in government (and in society more generally) which Baroness Warsi has spoken about, and which Braverman (with Goan Christian and presumably Indian Hindu heritage) appears keen to promote, as do many in the right wing circles people like her inhabit. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 16:37]
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| Be careful what you wish for on 17:03 - Nov 5 with 2231 views | factual_blue |
| Be careful what you wish for on 16:36 - Nov 5 by DJR |
Perhaps the most chilling aspect of the Guardian article is that it states that the Muslim Council of Britain would be captured by the new definition of extremism.
This is clear evidence of the increasing Islamophobia in government (and in society more generally) which Baroness Warsi has spoken about, and which Braverman (with Goan Christian and presumably Indian Hindu heritage) appears keen to promote, as do many in the right wing circles people like her inhabit. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 16:37]
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Sue Ellen is a Buddhist. She took her oath of allegiance as an MP on the Buddhist Dhammapada. | |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 17:21 - Nov 5 with 2185 views | DJR |
| Be careful what you wish for on 17:03 - Nov 5 by factual_blue |
Sue Ellen is a Buddhist. She took her oath of allegiance as an MP on the Buddhist Dhammapada. |
I know that, but I don't think that detracts from the point I am making (namely that she has no link to Islam), although it is interesting to note that she doesn't appear to me to show any evidence of the enlightenment that underlies Buddhism. After all, the term Buddha means the Awakened One or the Enlightened One. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 17:27]
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| Be careful what you wish for on 17:31 - Nov 5 with 2142 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Be careful what you wish for on 17:21 - Nov 5 by DJR |
I know that, but I don't think that detracts from the point I am making (namely that she has no link to Islam), although it is interesting to note that she doesn't appear to me to show any evidence of the enlightenment that underlies Buddhism. After all, the term Buddha means the Awakened One or the Enlightened One. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 17:27]
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I don't think it is anything to do with her own personal beliefs. She is pandering to an element of the electorate. She would deport her own parents to Rwanda if they arrived here now. | |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 17:56 - Nov 5 with 2086 views | positivity |
| Be careful what you wish for on 17:21 - Nov 5 by DJR |
I know that, but I don't think that detracts from the point I am making (namely that she has no link to Islam), although it is interesting to note that she doesn't appear to me to show any evidence of the enlightenment that underlies Buddhism. After all, the term Buddha means the Awakened One or the Enlightened One. [Post edited 5 Nov 2023 17:27]
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wonder what she believes she was reincarnated from? given her perceived hatred towards humanity, i'd go for wasp
but wasps can have a useful impact on the ecosystem, so that's maybe unfair on them... |  |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 18:02 - Nov 5 with 2052 views | factual_blue |
| Be careful what you wish for on 15:28 - Nov 5 by Swansea_Blue |
Frimmers?
No surprise to see Gove is behind this, the snivelling little sh*tweasel. |
Framlingham? | |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 18:21 - Nov 5 with 2016 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Be careful what you wish for on 17:56 - Nov 5 by positivity |
wonder what she believes she was reincarnated from? given her perceived hatred towards humanity, i'd go for wasp
but wasps can have a useful impact on the ecosystem, so that's maybe unfair on them... |
Probably from an Ebola virus. | |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 18:32 - Nov 5 with 1982 views | DJR |
| Be careful what you wish for on 17:31 - Nov 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I don't think it is anything to do with her own personal beliefs. She is pandering to an element of the electorate. She would deport her own parents to Rwanda if they arrived here now. |
It is difficult to read the following and not think there is Islamophobia at play, whatever other nastiness underlies her actions, especially as the article that follows indicates there is no basis for what she said.
"On 2 April, when outlining government measures to tackle grooming gangs, Braverman singled out British-Pakistani men as a major source of concern.
She described a “predominance of certain ethnic groups – and I say British-Pakistani males – who hold cultural values totally at odds with British values, who see women in a demeaned and illegitimate way and pursue an outdated and frankly heinous approach in terms of the way they behave.”
Braverman has used inflammatory language when referring to asylum seekers and criminal gangs, claiming “British-Pakistani men are members of criminal grooming gangs abusing white British girls”.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/04/suella-braverman-grooming- | | | |
| Be careful what you wish for on 19:41 - Nov 5 with 1897 views | positivity |
| Be careful what you wish for on 18:32 - Nov 5 by DJR |
It is difficult to read the following and not think there is Islamophobia at play, whatever other nastiness underlies her actions, especially as the article that follows indicates there is no basis for what she said.
"On 2 April, when outlining government measures to tackle grooming gangs, Braverman singled out British-Pakistani men as a major source of concern.
She described a “predominance of certain ethnic groups – and I say British-Pakistani males – who hold cultural values totally at odds with British values, who see women in a demeaned and illegitimate way and pursue an outdated and frankly heinous approach in terms of the way they behave.”
Braverman has used inflammatory language when referring to asylum seekers and criminal gangs, claiming “British-Pakistani men are members of criminal grooming gangs abusing white British girls”.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/04/suella-braverman-grooming- |
you're probably right, but whether the driving force is entrenched islamophobia or desperate naked populism is unclear.
can't believe i thought theresa may was the worst home secretary ever; her 2 main successors make her look like some kind of incredibly competent saint... | |
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| Be careful what you wish for on 20:17 - Nov 5 with 1824 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Be careful what you wish for on 18:21 - Nov 5 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Probably from an Ebola virus. |
Must have been the actual Ebola virus responsible for the original infection that led to the outbreak in West Africa, in order for it to have done enough wrong to be reincarnated as Suella Braverman. | | | |
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