| Natalie Elphicke... 13:14 - May 8 with 13395 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
Can't Starmer just refuse to take her and send her back to the swivel-eyed nut-job benches? |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:37 - May 9 with 1155 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:30 - May 9 by Herbivore |
It sends an important message: that Labour is a home for everyone, even the far right. Well, almost everyone, if you're left of centre you're very much not welcome anymore. |
it sends the message that the tories are disintegrating and aren't capable of forming a credible government. important message that. |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:39 - May 9 with 1131 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:37 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
it sends the message that the tories are disintegrating and aren't capable of forming a credible government. important message that. |
Yeah, nobody had noticed that before yesterday. Genius. |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:41 - May 9 with 1125 views | footers |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:37 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
it sends the message that the tories are disintegrating and aren't capable of forming a credible government. important message that. |
So why couldn't she have sat as an independent instead of tarnishing what little reputation Labour have left? Or is it there to attract voters like you? |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:47 - May 9 with 1093 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:41 - May 9 by footers |
So why couldn't she have sat as an independent instead of tarnishing what little reputation Labour have left? Or is it there to attract voters like you? |
no the strategy is to widen the party's appeal rather than focus on those, like me, who are already committed to it. being endorsed as an imminent government by a former opponent widens the party's reach. it's really not rocket science, but it's still nice to be able to help. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:49 - May 9 with 1077 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:39 - May 9 by Herbivore |
Yeah, nobody had noticed that before yesterday. Genius. |
significantly more people, including some of those who it is hard for labour to reach, will have noticed it now. [Post edited 9 May 2024 13:50]
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:51 - May 9 with 1057 views | Blueschev |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:47 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
no the strategy is to widen the party's appeal rather than focus on those, like me, who are already committed to it. being endorsed as an imminent government by a former opponent widens the party's reach. it's really not rocket science, but it's still nice to be able to help. |
That's a pretty patronising theory to the electorate to be honest. "We don't like you and you don't like me but lets join forces, they won't remember." Makes both parties look completely spineless. |  | | |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:55 - May 9 with 1029 views | footers |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:47 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
no the strategy is to widen the party's appeal rather than focus on those, like me, who are already committed to it. being endorsed as an imminent government by a former opponent widens the party's reach. it's really not rocket science, but it's still nice to be able to help. |
Widen the party's appeal to whom, exactly? | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:55 - May 9 with 1027 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:49 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
significantly more people, including some of those who it is hard for labour to reach, will have noticed it now. [Post edited 9 May 2024 13:50]
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Keep telling yourself that if it helps. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:01 - May 9 with 992 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:55 - May 9 by footers |
Widen the party's appeal to whom, exactly? |
voters? the electorate? citizens? you remember all those millions of people who rejected that corbyn guy. you must remember them surely? | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:03 - May 9 with 968 views | footers |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:01 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
voters? the electorate? citizens? you remember all those millions of people who rejected that corbyn guy. you must remember them surely? |
Labour have a 30-point lead. There was absolutely no reason for them to accept Elphicke and endorse her vile views by-proxy.
If you hadn't noticed, a lot of people, including shadow ministers, aren't very happy about it either. But hey, what do they know? | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:11 - May 9 with 929 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:03 - May 9 by footers |
Labour have a 30-point lead. There was absolutely no reason for them to accept Elphicke and endorse her vile views by-proxy.
If you hadn't noticed, a lot of people, including shadow ministers, aren't very happy about it either. But hey, what do they know? |
what have shadow ministers said?
labour has a 30 point lead precisely because starmer is taking every opportunity to widen its appeal. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:14 - May 9 with 910 views | footers |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:11 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
what have shadow ministers said?
labour has a 30 point lead precisely because starmer is taking every opportunity to widen its appeal. |
keep up slowhouse
One shadow cabinet minister said: “People are upset and angry right across the party about the decision.”
Another shadow minister said: “Logically or politically, we didn’t need this … I worry that they’ll not have done sufficient due diligence on her.” They added: “Her hard-right views are a big red line too. Are we welcoming Nigel Farage next week?” | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:17 - May 9 with 894 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:11 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
what have shadow ministers said?
labour has a 30 point lead precisely because starmer is taking every opportunity to widen its appeal. |
Labour has a 30 point lead because at this point everyone, including life long Tories, despises the Tories. Accepting Natalie Elphicke into the party isn't the masterstroke you seem to think it is, most of the debate today is about whether it's a misstep from Starmer, not how much of a shambles the Tories are as everyone already knows that after 14 years of mismanagement. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:19 - May 9 with 879 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:14 - May 9 by footers |
keep up slowhouse
One shadow cabinet minister said: “People are upset and angry right across the party about the decision.”
Another shadow minister said: “Logically or politically, we didn’t need this … I worry that they’ll not have done sufficient due diligence on her.” They added: “Her hard-right views are a big red line too. Are we welcoming Nigel Farage next week?” |
unattributed. off the record lobby gossip to the guardian is the westminster equivalent of someone tutting under their breath. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:19 - May 9 with 863 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:26 - May 9 by DJR |
Following on with a theme I touched on in an earlier post, this is an interesting passage from today's Politics Live in the Guardian.
There is a lot more about Diane Abbott, and the purge of leftwingers under Keir Starmer, in Andy Beckett’s new book about the Labour left, The Searchers, an insightful, sympathetic, brilliantly researched and extremely readable 50-year history of the Labour left told through the biographies of five of its leading players: Tony Benn, Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and Abbott. Beckett argues that under Starmer the party is imposing “a level of ideological control not even achieved by New Labour at its most intolerant”. |
Changing the subject slightly, you’re a big fan of the SNP. Are you happy that Kate Forbes, somebody whose views are even further to the right than Elphicke, has been appointed deputy leader of the SNP?
Would there be similar outrage on here if Forbes defected to Labour? |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:22 - May 9 with 847 views | footers |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:19 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
unattributed. off the record lobby gossip to the guardian is the westminster equivalent of someone tutting under their breath. |
Ah, so now we can't trust anything in the press because you think you know better.
Have a guess what? All the headlines are about what a bad decision it was, as Herb points out.
You are Nigel Pearson and I claim my five pounds. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:22 - May 9 with 835 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:47 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
no the strategy is to widen the party's appeal rather than focus on those, like me, who are already committed to it. being endorsed as an imminent government by a former opponent widens the party's reach. it's really not rocket science, but it's still nice to be able to help. |
I like how some people were slavishly supportive of the previous leadership at a time when they were the first party since the BNP to have been found guilty of racial discrimination by the EHRC, yet now leat that this move dents their credibility.
Says a lot about those people imo. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:24 - May 9 with 836 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:17 - May 9 by Herbivore |
Labour has a 30 point lead because at this point everyone, including life long Tories, despises the Tories. Accepting Natalie Elphicke into the party isn't the masterstroke you seem to think it is, most of the debate today is about whether it's a misstep from Starmer, not how much of a shambles the Tories are as everyone already knows that after 14 years of mismanagement. |
you are confusing your own bubble with what is gong on outside it. your concept of "everyone" excludes lots of the electorate. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:24 - May 9 with 833 views | itfcjoe |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:34 - May 9 by DJR |
The Labour spokesman said yesterday that standing for another seat was a possibility, and Annelisa Dodds confirmed this when interviewed this morning. [Post edited 9 May 2024 13:36]
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I hadn't seen that, I can't imagine it will end up being the case though |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:27 - May 9 with 805 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:24 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
you are confusing your own bubble with what is gong on outside it. your concept of "everyone" excludes lots of the electorate. |
Yes mate, it's definitely in my own bubble only that people recognise that the Tories are a shambles, it's not like they've spent months polling horrifically or anything. Until yesterday, the general perception was clearly that the Tories were the party of competence and stability, then Natalie Elphicke defected to Labour and BOOM! suddenly the scales fell from the electorate's eyes and only now can they see that the Tories are awful. It's you who lives in a bubble, mate, but the kind that isn't blown from the mouth. [Post edited 9 May 2024 14:30]
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:28 - May 9 with 805 views | Blueschev |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:24 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
you are confusing your own bubble with what is gong on outside it. your concept of "everyone" excludes lots of the electorate. |
I very much doubt the two of you are acquaintances in real life? Yet you both seem to be making quite big assertions about how the other has come to their position. | | | |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:31 - May 9 with 774 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:22 - May 9 by footers |
Ah, so now we can't trust anything in the press because you think you know better.
Have a guess what? All the headlines are about what a bad decision it was, as Herb points out.
You are Nigel Pearson and I claim my five pounds. |
i don't think that just knowing how lobby gossip works is really any claim to "know better". it's well known that the threshold for off the record one liners is very low. politicians keep journalists sweet by giving them something unattributable to fill space with. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:34 - May 9 with 751 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:19 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
unattributed. off the record lobby gossip to the guardian is the westminster equivalent of someone tutting under their breath. |
I wouldn’t bother mate. These people were happy with grubby little racists and paid shills of the Iranian regime like Ken Livingston, Chris WIlliamson and Jeremy Corbyn being in the party. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:37 - May 9 with 736 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:27 - May 9 by Herbivore |
Yes mate, it's definitely in my own bubble only that people recognise that the Tories are a shambles, it's not like they've spent months polling horrifically or anything. Until yesterday, the general perception was clearly that the Tories were the party of competence and stability, then Natalie Elphicke defected to Labour and BOOM! suddenly the scales fell from the electorate's eyes and only now can they see that the Tories are awful. It's you who lives in a bubble, mate, but the kind that isn't blown from the mouth. [Post edited 9 May 2024 14:30]
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you said "most of the debate today is about whether it's a misstep from starmer". that may be true in your bubble, it isn't true for most of the electorate. most of the electorate will have seen or heard a one sentence headline - 'another tory mp defects to labour'. outside of your bubble few people will be thinking about missteps. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:43 - May 9 with 708 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 14:37 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
you said "most of the debate today is about whether it's a misstep from starmer". that may be true in your bubble, it isn't true for most of the electorate. most of the electorate will have seen or heard a one sentence headline - 'another tory mp defects to labour'. outside of your bubble few people will be thinking about missteps. |
Nobody I know is talking about it, I'm talking about the media coverage so hardly my own bubble. Glad you've been out talking to all of the electorate though in order to know what they're really thinking rather than just making stuff up to justify your unprincipled stance on this. | |
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