| Natalie Elphicke... 13:14 - May 8 with 13396 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
Can't Starmer just refuse to take her and send her back to the swivel-eyed nut-job benches? |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 09:56 - May 9 with 1469 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 08:53 - May 9 by BanksterDebtSlave |
If ever a man was entirely comfortable with the status quo then lowhouse is your man. |
Not sure why Lowhouse is getting grief on here for this tbh.
He's quite clearly stated that he wants a Labour government because he thinks that will be best for the country. You may or may not disagree with his assessment.
He then states that Elphicke joining Labour is deeply embarrassing for the Tories and shows them as a divided party. This can only be good for anyone wanting a Labour government. You may or may not want a Labour government, but ey are the only credible alternative.
Labour currently have a 20 point lead which puts them on course for a majority in the HOC after the next election. The recent local government elections puts us in hung parliament territory, although I don't think this is a credible indicator. If Elphicke's defection can a) Sow even further seeds of doubt in the electorate's mind that the Tories are an utter shambles, and b) give out a signal to wavering Tories that the Labour party is a broad enough church to give them their support at the next election, then this can only be a good thing.
And if I had a £ for every time Blueschev was handing back his Labour membership card then I could comfortably retire. |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:02 - May 9 with 1441 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 09:02 - May 9 by Herbivore |
What are you doing to enact change exactly? It's interesting that you now paint yourself as focused on change when little change is on offer but you were one of the main snipers on the sidelines when Labour were actually offering genuine change..... [Post edited 9 May 2024 9:07]
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"What are you doing to enact change exactly?"
Making the Labour party electable would be a good start. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:09 - May 9 with 1421 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:02 - May 9 by GlasgowBlue |
"What are you doing to enact change exactly?"
Making the Labour party electable would be a good start. |
The Tories have done more on that score than anyone from Labour. |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:10 - May 9 with 1400 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:09 - May 9 by Herbivore |
The Tories have done more on that score than anyone from Labour. |
So you agree that a shambolic and divided Tory party makes Labour look more electable? | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:17 - May 9 with 1391 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:10 - May 9 by GlasgowBlue |
So you agree that a shambolic and divided Tory party makes Labour look more electable? |
Of course, but you don't need to welcome an awful politician like Natalie Elphicke into your ranks to achieve that when they are doing a perfectly good job of being a shambles already. It shows a lack of principles and, imo, poor judgement. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:18 - May 9 with 1376 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 09:56 - May 9 by GlasgowBlue |
Not sure why Lowhouse is getting grief on here for this tbh.
He's quite clearly stated that he wants a Labour government because he thinks that will be best for the country. You may or may not disagree with his assessment.
He then states that Elphicke joining Labour is deeply embarrassing for the Tories and shows them as a divided party. This can only be good for anyone wanting a Labour government. You may or may not want a Labour government, but ey are the only credible alternative.
Labour currently have a 20 point lead which puts them on course for a majority in the HOC after the next election. The recent local government elections puts us in hung parliament territory, although I don't think this is a credible indicator. If Elphicke's defection can a) Sow even further seeds of doubt in the electorate's mind that the Tories are an utter shambles, and b) give out a signal to wavering Tories that the Labour party is a broad enough church to give them their support at the next election, then this can only be a good thing.
And if I had a £ for every time Blueschev was handing back his Labour membership card then I could comfortably retire. |
to be fair i'm getting grief because i'm enjoying mocking the preciousness of the board's band of lefty saints. they clutch their principles to their chests and weep crocodile tears at the sight of starmer performing an absolutely bog standard bit of parliamentary point scoring. "oh, but where are his principles?" they wail about a man who is pushing labour into government after 14 years, while still kissing their poster of the man who led it to the worst defeat since the 1930s every night before they fall asleep. the left at it's most precious, pompous, and pointless. [Post edited 9 May 2024 10:20]
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:21 - May 9 with 1361 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:18 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
to be fair i'm getting grief because i'm enjoying mocking the preciousness of the board's band of lefty saints. they clutch their principles to their chests and weep crocodile tears at the sight of starmer performing an absolutely bog standard bit of parliamentary point scoring. "oh, but where are his principles?" they wail about a man who is pushing labour into government after 14 years, while still kissing their poster of the man who led it to the worst defeat since the 1930s every night before they fall asleep. the left at it's most precious, pompous, and pointless. [Post edited 9 May 2024 10:20]
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Yeah, we've already established you have no principles, mate. You don't need to keep hammering home the point. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:22 - May 9 with 1349 views | Guthrum |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 21:48 - May 8 by Zx1988 |
An interesting alternative opinion on the reasoning/strategy behind welcoming Elphicke:
I don't really know how true this rings, but it's far from the first time I've seen commentators referring to Starmer as wanting to be the next Attlee. |
A 'Great British & put it in power for the long term' - I don't like this idea of a monolithic government with no viable opposition. That's not how the UK system is designed to work and is way too open to abuse.
It's bad enough parties having unassailable 80-seat majorities. To have just the one option overall is disastrous. Even if Starmer is the "benevolent dictator", his successors may not be. An overly-dominant Labour is no better than the situation with the Conservatives post 2019.
We need more and more equal parties, not fewer. With less mindless tribalism, not universal loyalty to a single entity. We need a reformed electoral system which doesn't encourage consolidation and marginalise different viewpoints. |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:23 - May 9 with 1337 views | footers |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:18 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
to be fair i'm getting grief because i'm enjoying mocking the preciousness of the board's band of lefty saints. they clutch their principles to their chests and weep crocodile tears at the sight of starmer performing an absolutely bog standard bit of parliamentary point scoring. "oh, but where are his principles?" they wail about a man who is pushing labour into government after 14 years, while still kissing their poster of the man who led it to the worst defeat since the 1930s every night before they fall asleep. the left at it's most precious, pompous, and pointless. [Post edited 9 May 2024 10:20]
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Yeah yeah, tell it to the Laxfield church hall jumble sale crowd. Cos actual leftists don't wanna hear it. |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:24 - May 9 with 1333 views | LankHenners |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:18 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
to be fair i'm getting grief because i'm enjoying mocking the preciousness of the board's band of lefty saints. they clutch their principles to their chests and weep crocodile tears at the sight of starmer performing an absolutely bog standard bit of parliamentary point scoring. "oh, but where are his principles?" they wail about a man who is pushing labour into government after 14 years, while still kissing their poster of the man who led it to the worst defeat since the 1930s every night before they fall asleep. the left at it's most precious, pompous, and pointless. [Post edited 9 May 2024 10:20]
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It's probably more to do with your abrasive, hypocritical, and incredibly condescending posting style in fairness. |  |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:27 - May 9 with 1300 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:21 - May 9 by Herbivore |
Yeah, we've already established you have no principles, mate. You don't need to keep hammering home the point. |
again, just to aid your failing memory, my principles are about what labour does to affect change when in government. that's real change, affecting real people and making a real difference. out of government you can pose about whatever you want. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:34 - May 9 with 1246 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:23 - May 9 by footers |
Yeah yeah, tell it to the Laxfield church hall jumble sale crowd. Cos actual leftists don't wanna hear it. |
breaking news: labour lead reaches 30 points.
i don't know how i can live with the shame. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:41 - May 9 with 1203 views | leitrimblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:34 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
breaking news: labour lead reaches 30 points.
i don't know how i can live with the shame. |
Only 30 points, looks a bit touch and go. What Labour really needs now just to push um over the edge is to invite a hard right nutcase to join um... |  | | |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:46 - May 9 with 1156 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:41 - May 9 by leitrimblue |
Only 30 points, looks a bit touch and go. What Labour really needs now just to push um over the edge is to invite a hard right nutcase to join um... |
In fairness they were happy enough to take Mosley, whose name still appears in the book of Esteemed Fabians. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:47 - May 9 with 1157 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:41 - May 9 by leitrimblue |
Only 30 points, looks a bit touch and go. What Labour really needs now just to push um over the edge is to invite a hard right nutcase to join um... |
Braverman seems pretty disillusioned at the moment, maybe they should go for her next. Make her Shadow Home Secretary. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:49 - May 9 with 1145 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:27 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
again, just to aid your failing memory, my principles are about what labour does to affect change when in government. that's real change, affecting real people and making a real difference. out of government you can pose about whatever you want. |
You don't have any principles. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:54 - May 9 with 1104 views | leitrimblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:47 - May 9 by Herbivore |
Braverman seems pretty disillusioned at the moment, maybe they should go for her next. Make her Shadow Home Secretary. |
Yer, Braverman and Farage should be signed up immediately. That'really gonna stick it to the tories.
Wonder if Tommy Robinson is up to much this week? | | | |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:56 - May 9 with 1087 views | footers |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:54 - May 9 by leitrimblue |
Yer, Braverman and Farage should be signed up immediately. That'really gonna stick it to the tories.
Wonder if Tommy Robinson is up to much this week? |
Nick Griffin's been on the sidelines too long, I reckon. Get him in. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 11:03 - May 9 with 1045 views | lowhouseblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:49 - May 9 by Herbivore |
You don't have any principles. |
again, try reading the words one at a time in the order they're written. there aren't any long ones and you should still be able to see them from up there on your tower of moral and political purity. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 11:05 - May 9 with 1026 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 11:03 - May 9 by lowhouseblue |
again, try reading the words one at a time in the order they're written. there aren't any long ones and you should still be able to see them from up there on your tower of moral and political purity. |
I've read them, it doesn't change my view. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 11:10 - May 9 with 1011 views | leitrimblue |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:56 - May 9 by footers |
Nick Griffin's been on the sidelines too long, I reckon. Get him in. |
Good move. Would give an indication to wavering far right mentalists that Labour is a broad enough church to give them their support in the next election.  | | | |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:26 - May 9 with 861 views | DJR |
Following on with a theme I touched on in an earlier post, this is an interesting passage from today's Politics Live in the Guardian.
There is a lot more about Diane Abbott, and the purge of leftwingers under Keir Starmer, in Andy Beckett’s new book about the Labour left, The Searchers, an insightful, sympathetic, brilliantly researched and extremely readable 50-year history of the Labour left told through the biographies of five of its leading players: Tony Benn, Ken Livingstone, Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and Abbott. Beckett argues that under Starmer the party is imposing “a level of ideological control not even achieved by New Labour at its most intolerant”. |  | | |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:30 - May 9 with 841 views | Herbivore |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 10:54 - May 9 by leitrimblue |
Yer, Braverman and Farage should be signed up immediately. That'really gonna stick it to the tories.
Wonder if Tommy Robinson is up to much this week? |
It sends an important message: that Labour is a home for everyone, even the far right. Well, almost everyone, if you're left of centre you're very much not welcome anymore. | |
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| Natalie Elphicke... on 13:34 - May 9 with 814 views | DJR |
| Natalie Elphicke... on 09:15 - May 9 by itfcjoe |
I personally wouldn't have had her come across into the fold, but fact she (like my MP Dr Dan) isn't standing in the next election makes it much less of a big deal in my view and it's only something that is news to Politicos that follow it.
That 20 point poll lead could easily shrink when the election campaign starts and the might of the right wing press turns the heat up as always happens.
I personally just can't get behind the 'all the same' type attitude when the last 'all the same' New Labour Govt achieved so much in it's 13 years in power and I've spent the last 14 years living under a Tory Govt who just have made things worse at every turn.
A centrist party that looks left is as far as the left will ever get in this country, but I'm not prepared to let perfect be the enemy of the good and will trust Starmer and his team to do what's needed to get a Govt in which serves the people more than the current lot |
The Labour spokesman said yesterday that standing for another seat was a possibility, and Annelisa Dodds confirmed this when interviewed this morning. [Post edited 9 May 2024 13:36]
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