| I have to say 11:27 - May 23 with 17078 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
The longer this goes on with no approach, the more I start to think that he’ll stay.
If Brighton, or for that matter Chelsea had any inkling that he would accept, then the longer we go without any offer the less likely that becomes.
The fly in the ointment is Man U are lining him up on SAFs recommendation. |  |
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| I have to say on 14:46 - May 23 with 2018 views | ReusersTown |
| I have to say on 14:37 - May 23 by Herbivore |
If you've read Phil's posts you'll see he's equally said that McKenna isn't necessarily very happy about how his representatives have fanned the flames. It's funny how you've ignored that bit though. And regardless of what his representatives have or haven't done, he was always likely to be linked to these kinds of jobs because of his success here. What would you like, for him to guarantee that he's going nowhere? That's not realistic when there are potentially life changing opportunities out there currently. |
So you're another one of those who feings McKenna has no control of his agent? Isn't the fact that he was always likely to be linked supportive of the fact that we didn't need his agent whoring himself out at willy nilly. My preference would to not be so openly courting every club in the top half of the premiership yes, it's particularly unsavory. I wasn't requesting him to make any bold statements or anything, but now it seems necessary if he does wish to stay. |  | | |
| I have to say on 14:52 - May 23 with 1953 views | ReusersTown |
| I have to say on 14:34 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Virtually all of that is in your head.
A few fans on here are throwing their toys out of the pram. Where is the evidence he's damaged his relationship with the board? In what way is it affecting our recruitment given the transfer window doesn't open for another 3 weeks? In what way is tabloid speculation making us look powerless? |
You think recruitment starts on the day the transfer window opens? And that ybe fact we have no idea who our manager will be is t affecting this? I'm glad you're not in Ashtons position is all I can say on that!
Is your opinion of McKenna entirely unchanged since this has all begun? | | | |
| I have to say on 14:55 - May 23 with 1930 views | Herbivore |
| I have to say on 14:46 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
So you're another one of those who feings McKenna has no control of his agent? Isn't the fact that he was always likely to be linked supportive of the fact that we didn't need his agent whoring himself out at willy nilly. My preference would to not be so openly courting every club in the top half of the premiership yes, it's particularly unsavory. I wasn't requesting him to make any bold statements or anything, but now it seems necessary if he does wish to stay. |
You're massively overreacting and picking and choosing which bits of info support your narrative. He doesn't need to make any bold statements, you're being very silly at this point. |  |
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| I have to say on 14:55 - May 23 with 1931 views | Pencilpete |
Phil has indicated the heirarchy are not very impressed by the current situation and McKenna could have very easily nipped this in the bud at any point in the last week, especially when he was asked directly at the LMA awards but hasn't so that indicates to me that him or his agents are encouraging the attention so it might be that he has already damaged his relationship with Ashton and the owners beyond repair and they are literally waiting for him to go
Reports said we'd offered him a massive new deal ... but have we and would we now ?? | | | |
| I have to say on 15:06 - May 23 with 1870 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 14:52 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
You think recruitment starts on the day the transfer window opens? And that ybe fact we have no idea who our manager will be is t affecting this? I'm glad you're not in Ashtons position is all I can say on that!
Is your opinion of McKenna entirely unchanged since this has all begun? |
It's not ideal, obviously. But speculation and attempts to poach you will happen when you're successful, that's just life.
I noticed you only picked up on that point. What about the evidence he's damaged his relationship with the board? And in what way is tabloid speculation making us look powerless? |  |
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| I have to say on 15:07 - May 23 with 1858 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 14:46 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
So you're another one of those who feings McKenna has no control of his agent? Isn't the fact that he was always likely to be linked supportive of the fact that we didn't need his agent whoring himself out at willy nilly. My preference would to not be so openly courting every club in the top half of the premiership yes, it's particularly unsavory. I wasn't requesting him to make any bold statements or anything, but now it seems necessary if he does wish to stay. |
You're doing the classic TWTD tactic of exaggerating to make your point. All it does is lessen it. | |
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| I have to say on 15:08 - May 23 with 1851 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I have to say on 15:06 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not ideal, obviously. But speculation and attempts to poach you will happen when you're successful, that's just life.
I noticed you only picked up on that point. What about the evidence he's damaged his relationship with the board? And in what way is tabloid speculation making us look powerless? |
I'm not sure what some aren't getting ( Not aimed directly at you Flash, but something you've said has been said by many )
"But speculation and attempts to poach you will happen when you're successful, that's just life."
Absolutely true
BUT, a managers agent working overtime to try and make it happen, is different to just a manager being linked because he's been successful |  |
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| I have to say on 15:08 - May 23 with 1852 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 14:55 - May 23 by Pencilpete |
Phil has indicated the heirarchy are not very impressed by the current situation and McKenna could have very easily nipped this in the bud at any point in the last week, especially when he was asked directly at the LMA awards but hasn't so that indicates to me that him or his agents are encouraging the attention so it might be that he has already damaged his relationship with Ashton and the owners beyond repair and they are literally waiting for him to go
Reports said we'd offered him a massive new deal ... but have we and would we now ?? |
Nonsense. | |
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| I have to say on 15:09 - May 23 with 1845 views | ReusersTown |
| I have to say on 14:55 - May 23 by Herbivore |
You're massively overreacting and picking and choosing which bits of info support your narrative. He doesn't need to make any bold statements, you're being very silly at this point. |
What information have I omitted that would contradict what I have said then? | | | |
| I have to say on 15:10 - May 23 with 1837 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 15:08 - May 23 by FrimleyBlue |
I'm not sure what some aren't getting ( Not aimed directly at you Flash, but something you've said has been said by many )
"But speculation and attempts to poach you will happen when you're successful, that's just life."
Absolutely true
BUT, a managers agent working overtime to try and make it happen, is different to just a manager being linked because he's been successful |
Not massively. As much as we hate them, it's just an agent doing his job. | |
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| I have to say on 15:14 - May 23 with 1794 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I have to say on 15:10 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not massively. As much as we hate them, it's just an agent doing his job. |
Indeed, but then it's not surprising that the club could feel pssed off about it all and the way it's happening.
Again, this isnt me going by media journo's, but snippets from the likes of Phil who clearly have an inside view on things. | |
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| I have to say on 15:19 - May 23 with 1753 views | Herbivore |
| I have to say on 15:09 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
What information have I omitted that would contradict what I have said then? |
Well for a start you're ignoring what Phil (and others) have said about KM not being too happy with his representatives and this not being how he likes to go about things and have instead accused him of whoring himself around. Your language about this is all ridiculously hyperbolic. | |
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| I have to say on 15:20 - May 23 with 1749 views | ReusersTown |
| I have to say on 15:10 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Not massively. As much as we hate them, it's just an agent doing his job. |
Doesn't mean that it is acceptable and strange to me that you are willing to swallow it so easily! As you have pointed out before he would have been linked anyway. So why go about it in this unsavory manner. | | | |
| I have to say on 15:21 - May 23 with 1722 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 15:14 - May 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Indeed, but then it's not surprising that the club could feel pssed off about it all and the way it's happening.
Again, this isnt me going by media journo's, but snippets from the likes of Phil who clearly have an inside view on things. |
Ashton being a bit miffed at the robustness of an agent (which he's probably used to anyway, but I can understand how it's annoying) is not the same as McKenna has damaged his relationship with the board. | |
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| I have to say on 15:24 - May 23 with 1683 views | Pencilpete |
It was a question not a statement ... not sure how it can be called nonsense ?? | | | |
| I have to say on 15:26 - May 23 with 1676 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 15:20 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
Doesn't mean that it is acceptable and strange to me that you are willing to swallow it so easily! As you have pointed out before he would have been linked anyway. So why go about it in this unsavory manner. |
What have I swallowed? There are no facts, just tabloid tittle tattle and internet rumours. I don't know all the ins and outs of why agents behave how they do, but I presume it's a tried and tested path that gets better results (for themselves).
If I were an agent I would be doing whatever it takes to get the best returns for myself, regardless of anyone else liking my practices or not. | |
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| I have to say on 15:26 - May 23 with 1673 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I have to say on 15:21 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Ashton being a bit miffed at the robustness of an agent (which he's probably used to anyway, but I can understand how it's annoying) is not the same as McKenna has damaged his relationship with the board. |
Depends how the board see it, Afterall they've supported him as much as he's delivered the goods, we aren't the board so we can't really say either way. But if KM's pssed off, then control your agent. If I were a board member that's how I'd see it. So no KM may not directly be damaging it, but depending on how long this goes on for, it could go from indirectly to directly quite easily.
Remember the argument the other day about not being able to know someones thoughts, I'd say that this is a similar argument, but the evidence suggests they are a bit pssed, and the evidence suggests if someone is representing you in a way you personally don't like, then you have the power to do something about it, otherwise you're not really that annoyed by it. | |
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| I have to say on 15:28 - May 23 with 1666 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 15:24 - May 23 by Pencilpete |
It was a question not a statement ... not sure how it can be called nonsense ?? |
"might be that he has already damaged his relationship with Ashton and the owners beyond repair and they are literally waiting for him to go"
This is what I'm calling nonsense. | |
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| I have to say on 15:35 - May 23 with 1647 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 15:26 - May 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends how the board see it, Afterall they've supported him as much as he's delivered the goods, we aren't the board so we can't really say either way. But if KM's pssed off, then control your agent. If I were a board member that's how I'd see it. So no KM may not directly be damaging it, but depending on how long this goes on for, it could go from indirectly to directly quite easily.
Remember the argument the other day about not being able to know someones thoughts, I'd say that this is a similar argument, but the evidence suggests they are a bit pssed, and the evidence suggests if someone is representing you in a way you personally don't like, then you have the power to do something about it, otherwise you're not really that annoyed by it. |
We're going round in circles a bit, although you now seem to be agreeing with me somewhat in that we don't know what the board are thinking, so there's no evidence McKenna has damaged his relationship with them.
Other than firing his agent I'm not sure what McKenna can do about it now (and maybe firing him would be a bit much - he could claim wrongful dismissal because he'll say he was only doing what's best for his client).
This is all pointless. We don't even have any concrete evidence the board are annoyed. | |
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| I have to say on 15:38 - May 23 with 1631 views | Pencilpete |
| I have to say on 15:28 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"might be that he has already damaged his relationship with Ashton and the owners beyond repair and they are literally waiting for him to go"
This is what I'm calling nonsense. |
Phil said they weren't impressed and unless any of us actually sit on the board we don't know to what level ..... hence the statement starting "it might be"
I was speculating, so again i don't know how you can call it nonsense | | | |
| I have to say on 15:40 - May 23 with 1623 views | Herbivore |
| I have to say on 15:26 - May 23 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends how the board see it, Afterall they've supported him as much as he's delivered the goods, we aren't the board so we can't really say either way. But if KM's pssed off, then control your agent. If I were a board member that's how I'd see it. So no KM may not directly be damaging it, but depending on how long this goes on for, it could go from indirectly to directly quite easily.
Remember the argument the other day about not being able to know someones thoughts, I'd say that this is a similar argument, but the evidence suggests they are a bit pssed, and the evidence suggests if someone is representing you in a way you personally don't like, then you have the power to do something about it, otherwise you're not really that annoyed by it. |
He can't stop the stories now they've started though. We don't know how much his representatives are still stoking the media interest, for all we know they might have backed off already, but the speculation is going to continue either way because it seems evident he is at least a name in the mix for these jobs. | |
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| I have to say on 15:40 - May 23 with 1618 views | FrimleyBlue |
| I have to say on 15:35 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
We're going round in circles a bit, although you now seem to be agreeing with me somewhat in that we don't know what the board are thinking, so there's no evidence McKenna has damaged his relationship with them.
Other than firing his agent I'm not sure what McKenna can do about it now (and maybe firing him would be a bit much - he could claim wrongful dismissal because he'll say he was only doing what's best for his client).
This is all pointless. We don't even have any concrete evidence the board are annoyed. |
Im on the fence tbh, it's more that none of us KNOW anything we're just basing our thoughts on what we read.
They may be pssed off, they may not be, but similar to what you were saying the the other day, neither side of that fence can be confident they are correct as neither know for sure.
For me i'm happy to go with what phil has said in that it has had an effect, if im wrong then im just wrong in believing that specific thought.
With the agent, id be saying reign it in, if they didn't then id be making it clear that we would part ways in future, now being the popular client he is, that agent isnt going to want to lose that specific client. | |
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| I have to say on 15:44 - May 23 with 1594 views | leitrimblue |
Apparently Thomas Tuchel now the frontrunner for Man U job if they change managers |  | | |
| I have to say on 16:05 - May 23 with 1513 views | Whos_blue |
Other than death and taxes, there is one other certainty in life - a football manager will leave a club at some point. It will either be a sacking, end of contract or they leave for another club.
Whilst I really don't want KM to go (and I'm sure he will), if he does he goes with my best wishes.
He hasn't done it single handed. The board and Ashton have to take huge credit, but KM has put Ipswich back on the football map again and has helped ignite something special around the club we haven't felt for over a decade. Put simply, he is British football's hottest property at the moment. It's ludicrous to think other clubs wouldn't be interested in a piece of the action.
The speculation doesn't bother me too much, I can live with the result either way. The hyperbole here though is just becoming unbearable at the moment, to the point a minority of posters are starting to turn on KM, which is just insane.
Heaven knows what it will be like should we be unfortunate enough to go on any 3 or 4 game losing streaks next season! "KM out" wouldn't surprise me!  |  |
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| I have to say on 17:05 - May 23 with 1434 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 15:38 - May 23 by Pencilpete |
Phil said they weren't impressed and unless any of us actually sit on the board we don't know to what level ..... hence the statement starting "it might be"
I was speculating, so again i don't know how you can call it nonsense |
Because I think suggesting his relationship with Ashton and the owners might be beyond repair and they are literally waiting for him to go... is nonsense. It's not difficult, really.
By your logic you could literally 'speculate' on anything you like and it would be valid because it's only speculation. | |
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