| I have to say 11:27 - May 23 with 17617 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
The longer this goes on with no approach, the more I start to think that he’ll stay.
If Brighton, or for that matter Chelsea had any inkling that he would accept, then the longer we go without any offer the less likely that becomes.
The fly in the ointment is Man U are lining him up on SAFs recommendation. |  |
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| I have to say on 12:26 - May 23 with 3146 views | StokieBlue |
| I have to say on 12:22 - May 23 by GlasgowBlue |
That statement has been used in and around football since the play offs started. Ashton used it himself during his interview with Stuart Watson.
As of Monday 5 May the club started preparing for the following season knowing that we were in the Premier League. Three weeks later, Leeds and Southampton don't even know whether they are going to offload half their squad in order to prepare fore another season in the Championship or start looking to strengthen what they have for the season in the Premier League.
I'm amazed you have never heard that phrase before as a football fan. |
Yes, surprised I've not heard it either, must not have been paying attention (given I listened to the interview) but then the close season isn't usually this active.
I still don't think any of that applies at the moment though, we know what division we are in, what infrastructure is needed, what kind of price range we are shopping in. Focus is keeping McKenna and yes it may slow a few things down but not drastically as being in the play-offs as was originally said in this thread.
For instance, the building work has already started.
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| I have to say on 12:31 - May 23 with 3100 views | PhilTWTD |
| I have to say on 12:21 - May 23 by ITFCBlues |
Are you privy to any further info since your article last night, Phil?
Seems to have taken a step back today from the new article every hour that we were getting yesterday. |
Not really anything new to add to last night. Still all up in the air, think it will be until Man U situation becomes clear, Chelsea obviously making overtures at present, but not just to KMc from what I've been told, some agents perhaps not making as much noise as others.
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| I have to say on 12:33 - May 23 with 3043 views | BloomBlue |
| I have to say on 12:17 - May 23 by textbackup |
Of course two sets of budgets and plans can be drawn up.
Just assumed everyone felt the same that you’d be slightly ahead of the game if you went up automatically.
I’m sure some deals are done/could be done if a player is away on holiday.
But anyway, non of that matters really, as we’ve no idea who the manager will be to make those signings |
I think 'ahead of the game' when Sheepshanks was here was because during that period all 3 promoted teams were invariably after the same players.
It will be different this time, the 2 other promoted teams will be shopping in a higher pool than us, given they were in the Prem last season and had parachute payments this season. Plus they will be selling players for a lot of money even if promoted ie Summerville for £40+million.
So yes getting players in quickly is desirable but not getting them all in by day3 of the transfer window opening is not the end of the world |  | | |
| Where to begin with this, Jesus… on 12:35 - May 23 with 3009 views | Dyland |
| I have to say on 11:59 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
We're owed to be treated with respect! which his agent or whatever source is responsible is not doing. A lot of you are talking like this has been a completely one way relationship. We gave Kieran his big break and have been entirely supportive from top to bottom as a club. Understand that it has been mostly plain sailing though so far in the journey but he does need to get a grip of whatever is going on. It has got to the point where the speculation is damaging the club and the fact that nobody has spoken out, either Ashton or otherwise does make me think it's probably over. Even though I wasn't one of those crying out for a statement previously. It's so widespread now the lack of comment is damning. Personally I'm of the opinion of those thinking he's waiting for Man Utd, the other two don't really make sense. |
“We're owed to be treated with respect! which his agent or whatever source is responsible is not doing.”
Get a grip ffs. Agents gonna agent. The majority are going to act in this way and make hay while the sun shines. This is the EPL, home of venality and legitimised corruption.
“A lot of you are talking like this has been a completely one way relationship. We gave Kieran his big break and have been entirely supportive from top to bottom as a club. Understand that it has been mostly plain sailing though so far in the journey but he does need to get a grip of whatever is going on. “
He doesn’t need to do any such thing, nor can he if no offers have actually been made. Clubs will want him but all the other pish about him wanting out is completely unsubstantiated. Shame on the Beeb especially for not filing that guff under gossip in the first place.
“It has got to the point where the speculation is damaging the club and the fact that nobody has spoken out, either Ashton or otherwise does make me think it's probably over.”
It’s not damaging the club, yet. You may well feel it’s over based on the club remaining silent but we can’t help that. It’s febrile pessimism at best. Nothing confirmed or substantiated, what are the club meant to be denying or confirming exactly?
“Even though I wasn't one of those crying out for a statement previously. It's so widespread now the lack of comment is damning.”
See above.
“Personally I'm of the opinion of those thinking he's waiting for Man Utd, the other two don't really make sense.”
I do actually agree with that one :) |  |
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| I have to say on 12:41 - May 23 with 2958 views | Herbivore |
| I have to say on 11:59 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
We're owed to be treated with respect! which his agent or whatever source is responsible is not doing. A lot of you are talking like this has been a completely one way relationship. We gave Kieran his big break and have been entirely supportive from top to bottom as a club. Understand that it has been mostly plain sailing though so far in the journey but he does need to get a grip of whatever is going on. It has got to the point where the speculation is damaging the club and the fact that nobody has spoken out, either Ashton or otherwise does make me think it's probably over. Even though I wasn't one of those crying out for a statement previously. It's so widespread now the lack of comment is damning. Personally I'm of the opinion of those thinking he's waiting for Man Utd, the other two don't really make sense. |
Nobody needs to come out and say anything when there's nothing to say. They can't come out and say he's not going when nobody can guarantee that, they can't say he might be going because that is genuinely destabilising rather than being a few fans wetting themselves on a forum, and they can't say he's definitely off because we don't know that he is. The hysteria is pretty much all coming from a section of our fanbase who are essentially more wet wipe than human. None of us want him to go, we all hope he stays, and we'd all love the situation to die down. Unfortunately when you have a successful manager they are going to be coveted by others and there's going to be speculation. If people really can't handle that then I worry for them. |  |
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| I have to say on 12:48 - May 23 with 2952 views | RegencyBlue |
| I have to say on 12:31 - May 23 by PhilTWTD |
Not really anything new to add to last night. Still all up in the air, think it will be until Man U situation becomes clear, Chelsea obviously making overtures at present, but not just to KMc from what I've been told, some agents perhaps not making as much noise as others.
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Any idea what the hierarchy at the club think of all this ‘noise’ Phil?
If his agent is making waves, which seems to be the consensus of opinion for most of these stories, then KM could tell him to cut it out. Yes agents have their own agendas but if KM wanted too surely he could knock this constant stirring by his agent on the head?
If I were Ashton or the owners I think I’d be getting a bit pi55ed off by now! |  | | |
| I have to say on 12:48 - May 23 with 2908 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I have to say on 12:26 - May 23 by StokieBlue |
Yes, surprised I've not heard it either, must not have been paying attention (given I listened to the interview) but then the close season isn't usually this active.
I still don't think any of that applies at the moment though, we know what division we are in, what infrastructure is needed, what kind of price range we are shopping in. Focus is keeping McKenna and yes it may slow a few things down but not drastically as being in the play-offs as was originally said in this thread.
For instance, the building work has already started.
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Also worth remembering that until he does go, if he does, he has and continues to give 100% attention to planning the new season with Ipswich in conjunction with Mark Ashton. Talks with other clubs will run parallel with his agents and wont affect our planning or player targets. |  |
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| I have to say on 12:54 - May 23 with 2869 views | Pencilpete |
| I have to say on 11:54 - May 23 by NedPlimpton |
Is this an early moan for not having all of our signings done by the time the window opens? |
No, Absolutely not - but is does stand to reason that the club can't make any moves in the transfer market until they know who the manager is ... for example McKenna might want Omari on a permanent deal but a potential new manager might not want him so the club isn't going to do that deal while McKennas future is up in the air and in those weeks Omari might go to another club so we'd lose out on that player wether McKenna ends up being here or not
The whole situation is hampering our preperation for a league which is tough enough for newly promoted clubs as it is |  | | |
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| I have to say on 13:01 - May 23 with 2830 views | Herbivore |
| I have to say on 12:54 - May 23 by Pencilpete |
No, Absolutely not - but is does stand to reason that the club can't make any moves in the transfer market until they know who the manager is ... for example McKenna might want Omari on a permanent deal but a potential new manager might not want him so the club isn't going to do that deal while McKennas future is up in the air and in those weeks Omari might go to another club so we'd lose out on that player wether McKenna ends up being here or not
The whole situation is hampering our preperation for a league which is tough enough for newly promoted clubs as it is |
If a permanent deal for Omari is viable (which I doubt, sadly) Ashton would pull the trigger regardless of the uncertainty. The only doubt would be whether he would choose us not knowing if McKenna will be in charge. But that will only apply to a small number of possible signings who already have a connection with McKenna, other targets will be less dependent on him staying or going. We have actual recruitment infrastructure now and whilst McKenna has input into transfers, it's not like the days of McCarthy where it's all on the manager. | |
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| I have to say on 13:06 - May 23 with 2781 views | hadleighboyblue |
| I have to say on 11:42 - May 23 by textbackup |
I really hope he’s not, I don’t want to lose the respect and love I have for him |
I just wish he would kill the speculation and just say he wants to stay to carry on with what he has started .
He is going to move on at some stage , just think it's too early for a big step and one that could end badly if he choses a trigger happy club with players of massive egos .
A year in the Premiership with us would be another useful experience for him free from interference before the inevitable move to a big club .
Just hope it's resolved quickly , so we can concentrate on planning for next season | | | |
| I have to say on 13:24 - May 23 with 2688 views | SmithersJones |
| I have to say on 12:54 - May 23 by Pencilpete |
No, Absolutely not - but is does stand to reason that the club can't make any moves in the transfer market until they know who the manager is ... for example McKenna might want Omari on a permanent deal but a potential new manager might not want him so the club isn't going to do that deal while McKennas future is up in the air and in those weeks Omari might go to another club so we'd lose out on that player wether McKenna ends up being here or not
The whole situation is hampering our preperation for a league which is tough enough for newly promoted clubs as it is |
Omari’s probably not the best example as he’s got uncertainty at the Chelsea end, but I take your point. | | | |
| I have to say on 13:30 - May 23 with 2659 views | textbackup |
| I have to say on 13:06 - May 23 by hadleighboyblue |
I just wish he would kill the speculation and just say he wants to stay to carry on with what he has started .
He is going to move on at some stage , just think it's too early for a big step and one that could end badly if he choses a trigger happy club with players of massive egos .
A year in the Premiership with us would be another useful experience for him free from interference before the inevitable move to a big club .
Just hope it's resolved quickly , so we can concentrate on planning for next season |
Yeah think that’s where most fans are with it now.
Obviously don’t want to lose him, but if we are to I’d rather it happened yesterday so we can start to move on.
If it’s to be believed that he’s hanging on to see what MUFC do pisses me off a little, completely understand it’s likely his dream job, but from a selfish point of view (like he’s possibly taking) I only care about ITFC.
But as nothing official has come out from anyone then all of this could be a total waste of time effort and emotions. |  |
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| I have to say on 13:45 - May 23 with 2598 views | mellowblue |
I think at the end of the day we are now used to the idea he will leave whether now or in a year or two, so we are used to the idea and it can never come as a painful shock, so that is a minor positive . He has clearly got on his own hype-train and is looking higher than Brighton, if Brighton had been his aim, I think it would be done by now. I think Man U is the ultimate goal but might be a bit early as is a bit of a basket case and really needs a clear out before they can re-build. Too many good managers have failed for it to be always the managaer's fault. There is something inherently wrong there that will take time for Radcliffe to sort through and implement what ever tactics,strategies and ethos they are going to backhgoing forward. They haven't even got their new sporting director in place yet.Che;sea is also a bit of a basket-case but with a pretty talented squad in place so I see the attraction there. Chelsea have under-performed and Poch was unable to make a coherent side out of a rapidly formed squad, he has always been over-rated despite numerous good opportunities. Got lucky with a Champs League final appearance with Spurs and that is about it. I think McK has the character and personality strengths to keep Boehly on side and skills to develop what is currently there into a decent team. So I see it as a good fit but hope that Frank gets the gig as he has done a cracking job at Brentford, has proved himself in the Prem and deserves the opportunity. Another factor is Kompany. He has shown that an expected relegation doesn't diminish the credit in the bank and isn't fazing Bayern. So that could ease concern's in McK'S mind that he has to forge a new path now because he is is this year's in-boy. | | | |
| I have to say on 13:46 - May 23 with 2594 views | bsw72 |
| I have to say on 11:59 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
We're owed to be treated with respect! which his agent or whatever source is responsible is not doing. A lot of you are talking like this has been a completely one way relationship. We gave Kieran his big break and have been entirely supportive from top to bottom as a club. Understand that it has been mostly plain sailing though so far in the journey but he does need to get a grip of whatever is going on. It has got to the point where the speculation is damaging the club and the fact that nobody has spoken out, either Ashton or otherwise does make me think it's probably over. Even though I wasn't one of those crying out for a statement previously. It's so widespread now the lack of comment is damning. Personally I'm of the opinion of those thinking he's waiting for Man Utd, the other two don't really make sense. |
We're owed nothing - it is his ability which has got him to this point supported by the board, and he has given us everything and more that we could have hoped/asked for.
While I would be disappointed to lose him, I imagine he will find it hard to turn down a big job at Chelsea and possibly United as you never know when the chance will next offer itself.
One thing I would not understand a move to Brighton, that seems almost sideways, but again who knows.
He does not have the same emotional ties to the club that we do, he is being offered potentially his dream job, or something very close - what would you do? |  | | |
| I have to say on 13:50 - May 23 with 2558 views | PhilTWTD |
| I have to say on 12:48 - May 23 by RegencyBlue |
Any idea what the hierarchy at the club think of all this ‘noise’ Phil?
If his agent is making waves, which seems to be the consensus of opinion for most of these stories, then KM could tell him to cut it out. Yes agents have their own agendas but if KM wanted too surely he could knock this constant stirring by his agent on the head?
If I were Ashton or the owners I think I’d be getting a bit pi55ed off by now! |
I've no doubt you're correct in that assumption. | | | |
| I have to say on 13:54 - May 23 with 2518 views | hype313 |
| I have to say on 13:50 - May 23 by PhilTWTD |
I've no doubt you're correct in that assumption. |
Ashton will no doubt be experienced in all this horse trading, but even he must be getting annoyed, especially given how pivotal this time is.
Simon Jordan saying he should've said I'm staying at Ipswich Town at the LMA was quite the statement. Also backed it by saying numerous managers have said they couldn't turn down this opportunity, to find themselves out of work within 6 months and on the scrapheap. |  |
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| I have to say on 14:00 - May 23 with 2413 views | ReusersTown |
| I have to say on 13:46 - May 23 by bsw72 |
We're owed nothing - it is his ability which has got him to this point supported by the board, and he has given us everything and more that we could have hoped/asked for.
While I would be disappointed to lose him, I imagine he will find it hard to turn down a big job at Chelsea and possibly United as you never know when the chance will next offer itself.
One thing I would not understand a move to Brighton, that seems almost sideways, but again who knows.
He does not have the same emotional ties to the club that we do, he is being offered potentially his dream job, or something very close - what would you do? |
We're not owed to be treated with respect? The board are included within that, bit of a self esteem issue there. You would struggle to turn down the immoral basket case that is Chelsea? I certainly wouldn't allow my agent to swirl around burning as many bridges as possible if I was looking for a move. It's got nothing to do with emotional ties or affinity. | | | |
| I have to say on 14:05 - May 23 with 2357 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 11:59 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
We're owed to be treated with respect! which his agent or whatever source is responsible is not doing. A lot of you are talking like this has been a completely one way relationship. We gave Kieran his big break and have been entirely supportive from top to bottom as a club. Understand that it has been mostly plain sailing though so far in the journey but he does need to get a grip of whatever is going on. It has got to the point where the speculation is damaging the club and the fact that nobody has spoken out, either Ashton or otherwise does make me think it's probably over. Even though I wasn't one of those crying out for a statement previously. It's so widespread now the lack of comment is damning. Personally I'm of the opinion of those thinking he's waiting for Man Utd, the other two don't really make sense. |
In what way is the speculation damaging the club? |  |
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| I have to say on 14:19 - May 23 with 2284 views | Herbivore |
| I have to say on 14:00 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
We're not owed to be treated with respect? The board are included within that, bit of a self esteem issue there. You would struggle to turn down the immoral basket case that is Chelsea? I certainly wouldn't allow my agent to swirl around burning as many bridges as possible if I was looking for a move. It's got nothing to do with emotional ties or affinity. |
He's not burning any bridges. A few of you getting your panties in a bunch over the speculation doesn't mean he's being out of order or destroying his relationship with the club. The speculation isn't helpful and it's frustrating but it's what happens when you have a successful manager and there are other clubs higher up the food chain showing interest. Some of the toys out of the pram behaviour from our fans is embarrassing. | |
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| I have to say on 14:21 - May 23 with 2262 views | ReusersTown |
| I have to say on 14:05 - May 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
In what way is the speculation damaging the club? |
It's affecting our recruitment no doubt, certainly affecting his relationship with the fans and board and is generally making us look powerless, which isn't a great look when we're going to need everything we can muster to stay up, even more so if he does leave. | | | |
| I have to say on 14:24 - May 23 with 2250 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I have to say on 13:50 - May 23 by PhilTWTD |
I've no doubt you're correct in that assumption. |
I would imagine Ed Schwartz will be making his feelings known to Ashton as well. Doubt this supposed quarouple contract package has been done without his input. May time to make use of Simon Sports clout to focus his agents minds on our potential and how Keiran can grow with us. | |
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| I have to say on 14:30 - May 23 with 2196 views | ReusersTown |
| I have to say on 14:19 - May 23 by Herbivore |
He's not burning any bridges. A few of you getting your panties in a bunch over the speculation doesn't mean he's being out of order or destroying his relationship with the club. The speculation isn't helpful and it's frustrating but it's what happens when you have a successful manager and there are other clubs higher up the food chain showing interest. Some of the toys out of the pram behaviour from our fans is embarrassing. |
The speculation from many accounts including Phil's is mostly originating from his agent! Which he does have control of, no matter how much some want to deny it. Thus he is actively courting interes of these clubs not the other way around. It's been noted by Phil that all of this will be pissing off the board. It is creating issues with the fans as he's gone from absolutely infallible to people questioning his integrity. Him leaving was expected eventually and would of course be very disappointing but understandable. I don't feel that it's 'getting my panties in a bunch' to hope he would do it respectfully, not desperately waiting to see if Man Utd want him or not whilst he leaves us hanging. | | | |
| I have to say on 14:34 - May 23 with 2142 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| I have to say on 14:21 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
It's affecting our recruitment no doubt, certainly affecting his relationship with the fans and board and is generally making us look powerless, which isn't a great look when we're going to need everything we can muster to stay up, even more so if he does leave. |
Virtually all of that is in your head.
A few fans on here are throwing their toys out of the pram. Where is the evidence he's damaged his relationship with the board? In what way is it affecting our recruitment given the transfer window doesn't open for another 3 weeks? In what way is tabloid speculation making us look powerless? | |
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| I have to say on 14:37 - May 23 with 2122 views | Herbivore |
| I have to say on 14:30 - May 23 by ReusersTown |
The speculation from many accounts including Phil's is mostly originating from his agent! Which he does have control of, no matter how much some want to deny it. Thus he is actively courting interes of these clubs not the other way around. It's been noted by Phil that all of this will be pissing off the board. It is creating issues with the fans as he's gone from absolutely infallible to people questioning his integrity. Him leaving was expected eventually and would of course be very disappointing but understandable. I don't feel that it's 'getting my panties in a bunch' to hope he would do it respectfully, not desperately waiting to see if Man Utd want him or not whilst he leaves us hanging. |
If you've read Phil's posts you'll see he's equally said that McKenna isn't necessarily very happy about how his representatives have fanned the flames. It's funny how you've ignored that bit though. And regardless of what his representatives have or haven't done, he was always likely to be linked to these kinds of jobs because of his success here. What would you like, for him to guarantee that he's going nowhere? That's not realistic when there are potentially life changing opportunities out there currently. | |
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| I have to say on 14:37 - May 23 with 2117 views | Denny32 |
I'm the same..I think he's staying. What I think is happening is nothing to do with joining other clubs..remember. this promotion has come very fast ..so he is meeting with owners and outlining his plan. What playes he needs.wages ..so basically he wants a commitment from the owners that they are all on the same hymn page .no body is going to come out officially from club to dispel rumours till all the is are dotted and ts are crossed | | | |
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