| Winning, but pretty uninspiring 20:51 - Jun 16 with 8126 views | GeoffSentence |
I'm not sure what the game plan was for the ast 20 minutes. Seemed happy to let them have ball and as much time and space as they wanted. |  |
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| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 09:19 - Jun 17 with 923 views | Europablue |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 22:21 - Jun 16 by Ftnfwest |
They all looked good tbf, but no one’s won anything yet |
You certainly don't want to peak too soon. A win at this stage is very good. With Denmark drawing we are in the best situation in any group so far. |  | | |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 09:24 - Jun 17 with 917 views | Europablue |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 23:26 - Jun 16 by Churchman |
We played Serbia who were little better than Scotland - and that’s a low bar. And Serbia deserved a draw. Says it all for me.
Watching Southgate’s team reminds me a bit of watching Mick’s teams. Every point a prisoner: what we have we hold. The difference is MM had little choice with the players he had. Southgate has some really good players at his disposal. One or two world class.
The defence? Not so good. So let’s play defensively for over an hour against a side that wouldn’t trouble Norwich in a league game. Ok, I’m pushing it, but you get the drift.
England may be well short of France and half a dozen others. That’s ok, but surely we are better than this? [Post edited 16 Jun 2024 23:27]
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Did you even watch the Scotland match? They were weak and didn't really challenge for the ball or defend. Their goalkeeper was hopeless and their defender made a horrific challenge in the box giving away a penalty and got sent of. Of course, they struggled with 10 and the comparison isn't really fair after that, but they got themselves in that situation.
Serbia didn't deserve a draw, from your perspective maybe England deserved a draw for dropping off. In the end England won and they deserved it considering they totally outplayed Serbia in the first half and the second half was quite even. | | | |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 09:26 - Jun 17 with 913 views | Europablue |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 08:44 - Jun 17 by GeoffSentence |
It also get picked apart because it was turgid viewing. The first dull match of the tournament. The comparison with the other top teams who have played fast, attacking, fearless football in their opening games was stark.
Let's England move up a notch or two and this game gets quickly forgotten. |
The Germany vs Scotland game was pretty boring, it felt like a warm-up game. | | | |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 09:28 - Jun 17 with 906 views | itfcjoe |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 08:44 - Jun 17 by GeoffSentence |
It also get picked apart because it was turgid viewing. The first dull match of the tournament. The comparison with the other top teams who have played fast, attacking, fearless football in their opening games was stark.
Let's England move up a notch or two and this game gets quickly forgotten. |
It's group stage tournament football, whilst there have been some games the best international sides over last 15 years or so (i.e. Spain that won 3 on the bounce, France WC winners) know that conceding too many chances is a way to see yourself knocked out in tournaments so build from the back.
Everyone was talking about how impressive Spain were, but on another day Croatia could easily have beaten them with what they created and I'll be surprised if the winner isn't one of England, France or Portugal who are safety first teams |  |
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| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 09:29 - Jun 17 with 900 views | itfcjoe |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 08:51 - Jun 17 by Churchman |
I noticed on BBC comments somebody said that Kane when he attempts to run looks like he’s hauling a truck tyre. I laughed.
Yes, Kane scored a lot of goals in the German league. Is he good enough for international football now? Would Watkins or somebody offer more? Possibly but Kane has to stay in the side for now and with some sort of service he will score goals. |
"Is he [Kane] good enough for international football now?"
This honestly can't be serious, I know you don't rate Southgate but may need to step away from the keyboard for a bit! | |
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| Bellingham speaks… have to agree… BUT the continuing concern is there on 09:31 - Jun 17 with 889 views | Europablue |
| Bellingham speaks… have to agree… BUT the continuing concern is there on 08:57 - Jun 17 by unstableblue |
From the key Athletic article this morning, Bellingham states:
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It was put to him in the post-match news conference that, while the first half against Serbia had shown why England are among the favourites to win Euro 2024, the second half had shown the shortcomings that might ultimately be their undoing.
“I don’t really agree with that,” said the 20-year-old, England’s goalscorer in their 1-0 victory in Gelsenkirchen. “The first half shows why we can score goals against any team and the second half shows why we can keep a clean sheet against any team.”
Bellingham said there was “always a negative theme” in terms of public and media reaction to England’s performances — “and sometimes rightly so” — but he preferred to accentuate the positive.
They had to “hold on at times and suffer a little bit” in the second half at the Veltins-Arena, he said, but they had won the game. And “this team is still new”, he added, “gelling together with every game”.
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I agree with his view, and the gel word is key - albeit you could say a lot of the team have played together for some time. But the reference is to Trent and the defence. I’d stick with Trent, allows Walker to bomb on with good defensive cover behind and provides great crossing and set pieces.
I think wider message in the Athletic was the now familiar drop off in the second half. Has happened in a lot of games and tournaments now… start fast, look impressive, go deep second half
I think it was a shame Walker didn’t put his chance away… game would have been different
I still have faith in the quality of the team. And the new centre back paring looked good. Which is a massive plus.
Denmark will be a different proposition. And a full on England performance will settle nerves and concerns in the media and amongst fans.
The concern for me is Foden is still not delivering. If you had both him and Saka threatening down both flanks we’d be frightening. |
It's interesting that all the talk before the match was that the defence was not good enough, but no-one is saying that afterwards Bellingham is absolutely right, a lot of people in England are looking for the negatives and are looking forward to England to getting knock out so that they can say I told you so. | | | |
| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 10:03 - Jun 17 with 854 views | Rimsy |
Don't like to moan after 1 match, but that was poor. Southgate just hasn't got the tactical nous at this level. Sure I'll get down voted, but ask yourselves, with these players, imagine what could be accomplished with a class manager. |  |
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| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 10:10 - Jun 17 with 840 views | belgablue |
First we've ever won our opening game of the Euros outside of England. Pretty remarkable statistic so think we take the win and move on. Think Trent will sit the next one out.
Heading to the Denmark game so hoping for a better match. |  |
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| Bellingham speaks… have to agree… BUT the continuing concern is there on 10:30 - Jun 17 with 816 views | GeoffSentence |
| Bellingham speaks… have to agree… BUT the continuing concern is there on 08:57 - Jun 17 by unstableblue |
From the key Athletic article this morning, Bellingham states:
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It was put to him in the post-match news conference that, while the first half against Serbia had shown why England are among the favourites to win Euro 2024, the second half had shown the shortcomings that might ultimately be their undoing.
“I don’t really agree with that,” said the 20-year-old, England’s goalscorer in their 1-0 victory in Gelsenkirchen. “The first half shows why we can score goals against any team and the second half shows why we can keep a clean sheet against any team.”
Bellingham said there was “always a negative theme” in terms of public and media reaction to England’s performances — “and sometimes rightly so” — but he preferred to accentuate the positive.
They had to “hold on at times and suffer a little bit” in the second half at the Veltins-Arena, he said, but they had won the game. And “this team is still new”, he added, “gelling together with every game”.
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I agree with his view, and the gel word is key - albeit you could say a lot of the team have played together for some time. But the reference is to Trent and the defence. I’d stick with Trent, allows Walker to bomb on with good defensive cover behind and provides great crossing and set pieces.
I think wider message in the Athletic was the now familiar drop off in the second half. Has happened in a lot of games and tournaments now… start fast, look impressive, go deep second half
I think it was a shame Walker didn’t put his chance away… game would have been different
I still have faith in the quality of the team. And the new centre back paring looked good. Which is a massive plus.
Denmark will be a different proposition. And a full on England performance will settle nerves and concerns in the media and amongst fans.
The concern for me is Foden is still not delivering. If you had both him and Saka threatening down both flanks we’d be frightening. |
I disagree with Bellingham's assessment of the second half. I fear that if we play that way against anyone decent we will ship a hatful. | |
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| Winning, but pretty uninspiring on 10:37 - Jun 17 with 806 views | OldFart71 |
In many ways having Bellingham and Foden in the team is akin to Lampard and |Gerrard when they were in the England team, Managers should learn from history it doesn't work having two players who are best in one position and then playing one out of position. Johnny Wark was never the same player playing for Liverpool as he was played out of position because Souness was in the middle. But then I'm not going to moan about the performance as we won and that's what matters. | | | |
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