| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% 07:45 - Jul 5 with 3125 views | GeoffSentence |
That's wrong isn't it? |  |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 07:58 - Jul 5 with 2763 views | BlueJudge |
14.3% as per BBC. 3rd largest party in terms of vote share. 15.3% if looking at England only. Yet again on BBC. |  | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 07:59 - Jul 5 with 2754 views | GeoffSentence |
Thanks.
I went back to check what Rita said, in case I misunderstood and it was for some subset of the country, but no she definitely said that Others, that will be including Reform was at 2%, and that was for the 2024 general election as a whole. I think someone screwed up her graphic and she didn't cotton onto it. | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 08:14 - Jul 5 with 2717 views | Vegtablue |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 07:59 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
Thanks.
I went back to check what Rita said, in case I misunderstood and it was for some subset of the country, but no she definitely said that Others, that will be including Reform was at 2%, and that was for the 2024 general election as a whole. I think someone screwed up her graphic and she didn't cotton onto it. |
Long day tbf to Rita. Weirdly broadcasters are split down the middle on whether Labour or Tories have an extra seat, 410/119 (beeb and co.) vs 409/120 (sky and co.). Neither has blinked since the discrepancy emerged about an hour ago, testing my patience now. | | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 08:17 - Jul 5 with 2696 views | GeoffSentence |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 08:14 - Jul 5 by Vegtablue |
Long day tbf to Rita. Weirdly broadcasters are split down the middle on whether Labour or Tories have an extra seat, 410/119 (beeb and co.) vs 409/120 (sky and co.). Neither has blinked since the discrepancy emerged about an hour ago, testing my patience now. |
Yes, I spotted that. Weird ain't it. | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 08:19 - Jul 5 with 2673 views | Vegtablue |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 08:17 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
Yes, I spotted that. Weird ain't it. |
It's stopped me getting an hour's sleep. 😩 | | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 08:27 - Jul 5 with 2644 views | BloomBlue |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 07:59 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
Thanks.
I went back to check what Rita said, in case I misunderstood and it was for some subset of the country, but no she definitely said that Others, that will be including Reform was at 2%, and that was for the 2024 general election as a whole. I think someone screwed up her graphic and she didn't cotton onto it. |
Did she independent rather than other ? |  | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 08:40 - Jul 5 with 2598 views | GeoffSentence |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 08:27 - Jul 5 by BloomBlue |
Did she independent rather than other ? |
Nope she said "Others, that will be including Reform"
I think she was just reeling off the details on the chart with only had L,C, LD and Others, without really thinking about it. | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:10 - Jul 5 with 2525 views | springfield |
I suspect she meant 2% of seats rather than 2% of the votes
I think the number of seats for reform + others is about 2%
EDIT maybe not - 28 seats out of 650 is 4% [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 9:12]
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| BBC just savote id that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:15 - Jul 5 with 2484 views | GeoffSentence |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:10 - Jul 5 by springfield |
I suspect she meant 2% of seats rather than 2% of the votes
I think the number of seats for reform + others is about 2%
EDIT maybe not - 28 seats out of 650 is 4% [Post edited 5 Jul 2024 9:12]
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No again, they were specifically talking about vote share.
A simple cock up. | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:20 - Jul 5 with 2461 views | itfc48 |
I'm no Reform supporter however the fact they've only got 4 seats for 4m votes when the Lib Dems got 71 for 3.5m votes shows how bad our current system is. A definite case for PR. | | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:29 - Jul 5 with 2421 views | GeoffSentence |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:20 - Jul 5 by itfc48 |
I'm no Reform supporter however the fact they've only got 4 seats for 4m votes when the Lib Dems got 71 for 3.5m votes shows how bad our current system is. A definite case for PR. |
Glad you have come round to that point of view, and lots more people seem to be largely as a result of Reform's under-representation.
Quick question though, why has it taken Reform to suffer from first past the post, rather than the Lib Dems and Greens historically suffering from it to sway you? | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:39 - Jul 5 with 2390 views | itfc48 |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:29 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
Glad you have come round to that point of view, and lots more people seem to be largely as a result of Reform's under-representation.
Quick question though, why has it taken Reform to suffer from first past the post, rather than the Lib Dems and Greens historically suffering from it to sway you? |
I've not been newly swayed as such. Just making the comment after looking at the most recent set of data as it looks once again that the current system is not fit for purpose.
A newer system might actually result in more people ending up with a decent local MP who fights for their needs rather than a career politician. I know people have varied views on Corbyn however he is one MP who fights tooth and nail for his constituents. | | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:55 - Jul 5 with 2337 views | Kievthegreat |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:20 - Jul 5 by itfc48 |
I'm no Reform supporter however the fact they've only got 4 seats for 4m votes when the Lib Dems got 71 for 3.5m votes shows how bad our current system is. A definite case for PR. |
Why use Lib Dems as the example? Lib Dems are still underrepresented in this Parliament.
If 12.2% of the vote got you 12.2% of the seats, the Lib Dems should have 79 MPs. In fact every UK wide party other than Labour is underrepresented.
The perverse result is that Labour have secured a record landslide off just 33.8%. That apparently is the lowest vote share to ever win a majority, let alone 150+ majority. |  | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 10:33 - Jul 5 with 2252 views | itfc48 |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:55 - Jul 5 by Kievthegreat |
Why use Lib Dems as the example? Lib Dems are still underrepresented in this Parliament.
If 12.2% of the vote got you 12.2% of the seats, the Lib Dems should have 79 MPs. In fact every UK wide party other than Labour is underrepresented.
The perverse result is that Labour have secured a record landslide off just 33.8%. That apparently is the lowest vote share to ever win a majority, let alone 150+ majority. |
Because I was looking at total votes rather than percentage and the Lib Dems were closest to Reform. But yes you could also make that point with Labour.
I think it's clear no matter what party you align with this system has it's flaws. Then again I'm sure the alternatives also have faults. For me personally, I would like a system where the MP thinks about their local constituents rather than just blindly following the whip. | | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 10:38 - Jul 5 with 2233 views | GeoffSentence |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 10:33 - Jul 5 by itfc48 |
Because I was looking at total votes rather than percentage and the Lib Dems were closest to Reform. But yes you could also make that point with Labour.
I think it's clear no matter what party you align with this system has it's flaws. Then again I'm sure the alternatives also have faults. For me personally, I would like a system where the MP thinks about their local constituents rather than just blindly following the whip. |
The whipping system is a huge problem. It also one reason why FPTP does not generally mean local representation. That and the fact that people mostly vote on national, not local, issues at a GE. | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 10:39 - Jul 5 with 2221 views | Radlett_blue |
The Labour vote percentage is +2% from the last General election, fronted by the so called inept Jeremy Corbyn. What happened yesterday is largely that many former Conservative voters have deserted their party for the right wing Reform. Starmer will have a super-majority, but he will need to be more careful than Boris Johnson about what he does with it. |  |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 10:43 - Jul 5 with 2205 views | GeoffSentence |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 10:39 - Jul 5 by Radlett_blue |
The Labour vote percentage is +2% from the last General election, fronted by the so called inept Jeremy Corbyn. What happened yesterday is largely that many former Conservative voters have deserted their party for the right wing Reform. Starmer will have a super-majority, but he will need to be more careful than Boris Johnson about what he does with it. |
This "super-majority" term was the one thing that the Tories got right in their campaign. It really seemed to stick and I think swayed some people to turn out to vote for or switch back to the Tories.
On top of that it is essentially meaningless. Once you have a decent majority the extent of it makes little difference. | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 11:01 - Jul 5 with 2161 views | Ryorry |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 09:20 - Jul 5 by itfc48 |
I'm no Reform supporter however the fact they've only got 4 seats for 4m votes when the Lib Dems got 71 for 3.5m votes shows how bad our current system is. A definite case for PR. |
Greens got as many seats as Reform, with only a fraction of Reform’s resources and money. |  |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 11:42 - Jul 5 with 2106 views | bluebudgie |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 11:01 - Jul 5 by Ryorry |
Greens got as many seats as Reform, with only a fraction of Reform’s resources and money. |
What a load of tosh . I thought you Ryorry would have checked your facts before posting this . The facts are that REFORM had 4,003,648 votes 14.3% GREENS 1,906,920 6.8% The only fact you got right was both parties only got 4 seats, which in itself is a travesty but hey don't let facts get in the way of a bit of Reform bashing! |  | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 11:59 - Jul 5 with 2055 views | GeoffSentence |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 11:42 - Jul 5 by bluebudgie |
What a load of tosh . I thought you Ryorry would have checked your facts before posting this . The facts are that REFORM had 4,003,648 votes 14.3% GREENS 1,906,920 6.8% The only fact you got right was both parties only got 4 seats, which in itself is a travesty but hey don't let facts get in the way of a bit of Reform bashing! |
There wasn't anything controversial in Ryorry's post, just pointing out that the Greens got as many seats as Reform and didn't have the same resources.
You could probably add that they didn't have the same media platform that Reform got too.
It really shows two things, that the Greens targetted their campaign really well, maybe Reform could learn from that, and both of them are under-represented due to this travesty of an electoral system we have. | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 12:06 - Jul 5 with 2036 views | bluebudgie |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 11:59 - Jul 5 by GeoffSentence |
There wasn't anything controversial in Ryorry's post, just pointing out that the Greens got as many seats as Reform and didn't have the same resources.
You could probably add that they didn't have the same media platform that Reform got too.
It really shows two things, that the Greens targetted their campaign really well, maybe Reform could learn from that, and both of them are under-represented due to this travesty of an electoral system we have. |
Sorry, I will have to agree to disagree with you there I stated the facts, can you or Ryorry back up the point that the Greens had fewer resources than Reform,? I can't that's why I didn't challenge that part of the post, I would very doubt that greens had less funding but that's only my opinion! | | | |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 12:09 - Jul 5 with 2021 views | J2BLUE |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 11:42 - Jul 5 by bluebudgie |
What a load of tosh . I thought you Ryorry would have checked your facts before posting this . The facts are that REFORM had 4,003,648 votes 14.3% GREENS 1,906,920 6.8% The only fact you got right was both parties only got 4 seats, which in itself is a travesty but hey don't let facts get in the way of a bit of Reform bashing! |
Bless. Have you recovered from your busy night downvoting anything negative about Reform? |  |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 12:10 - Jul 5 with 2018 views | GeoffSentence |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 12:06 - Jul 5 by bluebudgie |
Sorry, I will have to agree to disagree with you there I stated the facts, can you or Ryorry back up the point that the Greens had fewer resources than Reform,? I can't that's why I didn't challenge that part of the post, I would very doubt that greens had less funding but that's only my opinion! |
That's fair enough. the question of resources is not easily provable, just seems likely. I don't think Ryorry was bashing Reform though, just pointing out how good job the Greens had done. | |
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| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 12:13 - Jul 5 with 2000 views | bluebudgie |
| BBC just said that the share of the vote for Other including Reform was 2% on 12:09 - Jul 5 by J2BLUE |
Bless. Have you recovered from your busy night downvoting anything negative about Reform? |
It's a shame you cant join SB and Hebs and vacate the forum it would be a better place without the cr4p you normally post! | | | |
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