| Did Reform field AI candidates? 17:03 - Jul 8 with 11492 views | Zx1988 |
Just came across this on Twitter, and it certainly poses some interesting questions:
Some interesting responses to the original Tweet, alleging similar concerns about other Reform candidates in other constituencies.
With regards to "Mark Matlock" he didn't even attend his count because, apparently, he had pneumonia. |  |
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:09 - Jul 9 with 1973 views | PhilTWTD |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:07 - Jul 9 by Blueschev |
Now Town are Premier League, Phil thinks he's part of the mainstream media and starts attacking Reform. Is there not one part of the press that hasn't been infected with rabid wokery? |
I've long been infected by warkery. |  | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:14 - Jul 9 with 1940 views | BlueNomad |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:24 - Jul 9 by Pencilpete |
These stories about Reform are ridiculous, first Channel 4 are planting people and now this.
I didn't vote for them but surely if they're as bad as everyone is making out they'll shoot themselves in the foot sooner or later ?? all this pathetic BS trying to stitch them up is just making them more popular and giving them a platform to say the establishment is against them |
How about this story?
The Reform candidate for Chelmsford had to delete a Tweet when he was "selected" to stand because, earlier this year, he referred to people with autism as "vegetables."
That in itself should be enough to discredit them all. |  | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:15 - Jul 9 with 1931 views | Pencilpete |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 14:07 - Jul 9 by Zx1988 |
I've not seen any proper rebuttal from Reform, other than their bleating that it was all an eSTaBlisHmENt stITcH-uP.
It's not for Channel 4 to prove that the chap was who he claimed to be, it's for Reform UK Limited to prove that he wasn't one of their supporters.
So far they've offered zero evidence to disprove either this, or the allegations that a number of their candidates didn't exist. I'll trust media outlets such as Channel 4 over and above Putin-loving racist/sexist/anti-semitic grifters such as Führage and Tice any day of the week, |
I think it's been proven quite clearly that the chap in question was an actor who had been in Channel 4 programmes before and that his voice in the 'racist' videos that were broadcast is not actually his real voice ......
I'm not the biggest fan of reform but lets say he was a genuine Reform canvasser for a minute ....
- he is an actor - that is FACT and he has also done work for channel 4 before - also a FACT ... it was reported on TV that both those things are 100% true.
so knowing that, what are the chances of that particular bloke from all the canvassers that were there getting randomly put with an undercover Channel 4 news crew - remote at best ...... and then that he actually has these disgusting opinions ......and then that he starts airing them in public at that particular moment in front of said undercover Channel 4 news crew ???
come on ! | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:21 - Jul 9 with 1913 views | Pencilpete |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:14 - Jul 9 by BlueNomad |
How about this story?
The Reform candidate for Chelmsford had to delete a Tweet when he was "selected" to stand because, earlier this year, he referred to people with autism as "vegetables."
That in itself should be enough to discredit them all. |
I'm speaking now as someone who has Autism ....
That isn't a particularly pleasant opinion and obviously anyone who holds that kind of opinion shouldn't be allowed to stand but to suggest that Racism, sexism ETC is purely limited to Reform is simply not true
Labour had a big anti-semetic problem that thankfully Starmer seems to have stamped out
the greens had to withdraw a couple of candidates for having unsavoury views as did the Lib Dems .....
sadly there are people who have lots of horrible opinions but they come in all forms and walks of life and they arn't exclusive to Reform | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 16:58 - Jul 9 with 1839 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:15 - Jul 9 by Pencilpete |
I think it's been proven quite clearly that the chap in question was an actor who had been in Channel 4 programmes before and that his voice in the 'racist' videos that were broadcast is not actually his real voice ......
I'm not the biggest fan of reform but lets say he was a genuine Reform canvasser for a minute ....
- he is an actor - that is FACT and he has also done work for channel 4 before - also a FACT ... it was reported on TV that both those things are 100% true.
so knowing that, what are the chances of that particular bloke from all the canvassers that were there getting randomly put with an undercover Channel 4 news crew - remote at best ...... and then that he actually has these disgusting opinions ......and then that he starts airing them in public at that particular moment in front of said undercover Channel 4 news crew ???
come on ! |
I very much doubt it has been proven. This is all standard stuff for Farage and it’s not as if they haven’t a history of attracting unsavoury types.
Ofcom’s response to the complaints is telling:
“We received over 270 complaints about Channel 4 News' 'Undercover inside Reform's campaign'. Given the election period, we have urgently assessed them against the due accuracy, due impartiality and offence rules under the Broadcasting Code.
For all of these complaints, we have concluded that they do not raise substantive issues warranting further investigation.” |  |
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 17:00 - Jul 9 with 1830 views | Zx1988 |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 16:58 - Jul 9 by Swansea_Blue |
I very much doubt it has been proven. This is all standard stuff for Farage and it’s not as if they haven’t a history of attracting unsavoury types.
Ofcom’s response to the complaints is telling:
“We received over 270 complaints about Channel 4 News' 'Undercover inside Reform's campaign'. Given the election period, we have urgently assessed them against the due accuracy, due impartiality and offence rules under the Broadcasting Code.
For all of these complaints, we have concluded that they do not raise substantive issues warranting further investigation.” |
Of course Ofcom would say that - it's an establishment stitch-up.  | |
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 17:05 - Jul 9 with 1821 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 14:57 - Jul 9 by PhilTWTD |
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The one standing in our constituency actually exists (or at least there was someone standing on the stage at the count wearing a Reform rosette). I couldn’t find any information about her prior to the vote, other than her address on the ballot paper, which obviously wasn’t from anywhere near here. And yet this faceless Farage puppet still managed to get 8,500 votes. I find that incredible. People can vote for whoever they like of course, but you’d think local representation would be the common priority across voters of all party colours when choosing a local representative. | |
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 19:41 - Jul 9 with 1736 views | Pencilpete |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 16:58 - Jul 9 by Swansea_Blue |
I very much doubt it has been proven. This is all standard stuff for Farage and it’s not as if they haven’t a history of attracting unsavoury types.
Ofcom’s response to the complaints is telling:
“We received over 270 complaints about Channel 4 News' 'Undercover inside Reform's campaign'. Given the election period, we have urgently assessed them against the due accuracy, due impartiality and offence rules under the Broadcasting Code.
For all of these complaints, we have concluded that they do not raise substantive issues warranting further investigation.” |
Nobody on either side is disputing that he’s an actor or that he’s done work for channel 4 in the past he is undoubtedly 100% an actor he has a website and everything and has confirmed that himself.
The question is wether he was there in a personal capacity or a professional one and I’m saying for him to be there in a personal capacity and then get randomly put with an undercover channel 4 news crew is a bl00dy big coincidence | | | |
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 19:57 - Jul 9 with 1707 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:21 - Jul 9 by Pencilpete |
I'm speaking now as someone who has Autism ....
That isn't a particularly pleasant opinion and obviously anyone who holds that kind of opinion shouldn't be allowed to stand but to suggest that Racism, sexism ETC is purely limited to Reform is simply not true
Labour had a big anti-semetic problem that thankfully Starmer seems to have stamped out
the greens had to withdraw a couple of candidates for having unsavoury views as did the Lib Dems .....
sadly there are people who have lots of horrible opinions but they come in all forms and walks of life and they arn't exclusive to Reform |
As someone who has autistic family members, I'm shocked at such a terrible insult to those on the autism spectrum. Even my friend's severely autistic son is capable of kindness, discernment, and interaction. Anyone who uses the term vegetable to describe someone with ASD is, in fact, the real vegetable. Incapable of understanding/unwilling to understand a deeply complex neurological difference. |  | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 20:49 - Jul 9 with 1682 views | Pencilpete |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 19:57 - Jul 9 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
As someone who has autistic family members, I'm shocked at such a terrible insult to those on the autism spectrum. Even my friend's severely autistic son is capable of kindness, discernment, and interaction. Anyone who uses the term vegetable to describe someone with ASD is, in fact, the real vegetable. Incapable of understanding/unwilling to understand a deeply complex neurological difference. |
I’m in my mid 40s and I’ve been called much worse over the years - I don’t get offended by stuff like that any more …. It says more about that persons ignorance than anything to do with me
I can see why it would cause offence tho | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 20:59 - Jul 9 with 1661 views | Hugoagogo_Reborn |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 20:49 - Jul 9 by Pencilpete |
I’m in my mid 40s and I’ve been called much worse over the years - I don’t get offended by stuff like that any more …. It says more about that persons ignorance than anything to do with me
I can see why it would cause offence tho |
Glad you are able to manage the insults and rise above. You have my respect for being able to brush it off. I'm not sure I could. I'm currently waiting for assessment for ADHD, in my late 40s. I've had major impacts on my life that I am sure are down to ADHD, but have had to pick myself up off the floor so many times and just carry on.
RSD - Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria is just one of those issues. Seems like you don't suffer with that one, as you are so good at brushing off unkind remarks .
All the best, Pete. | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 21:25 - Jul 9 with 1638 views | Pencilpete |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 20:59 - Jul 9 by Hugoagogo_Reborn |
Glad you are able to manage the insults and rise above. You have my respect for being able to brush it off. I'm not sure I could. I'm currently waiting for assessment for ADHD, in my late 40s. I've had major impacts on my life that I am sure are down to ADHD, but have had to pick myself up off the floor so many times and just carry on.
RSD - Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria is just one of those issues. Seems like you don't suffer with that one, as you are so good at brushing off unkind remarks .
All the best, Pete. |
I did when I was younger until it was pointed out to me that I don’t even know these people so why do I care what their opinion is of me, it’s irrelevant.
This bloke who referred to me as a vegetable…. I don’t even know his name so why should I care what he says ? - these days I have my family and a select few friends and I value their opinions but some random online or the other side of the country - no chance
I hope you get your assessment and possible diagnosis….. I was in my late 20s when I got mine ….I certainly understood myself a lot better once I’d had it and found several coping mechanisms and changed some things in my life and I find things easier now than I ever used to so I hope the same happens for you and you get any support and help you need
All the best :) | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 22:10 - Jul 9 with 1573 views | PhilTWTD |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 19:41 - Jul 9 by Pencilpete |
Nobody on either side is disputing that he’s an actor or that he’s done work for channel 4 in the past he is undoubtedly 100% an actor he has a website and everything and has confirmed that himself.
The question is wether he was there in a personal capacity or a professional one and I’m saying for him to be there in a personal capacity and then get randomly put with an undercover channel 4 news crew is a bl00dy big coincidence |
Well, he'd been photographed canvassing for Reform many months beforehand. | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 05:21 - Jul 10 with 1489 views | DinDjarin |
AI candidates. What a load of nonsense. |  | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 05:28 - Jul 10 with 1486 views | DinDjarin |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 22:10 - Jul 9 by PhilTWTD |
Well, he'd been photographed canvassing for Reform many months beforehand. |
Not seen that. Got a link | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 09:17 - Jul 10 with 1338 views | PhilTWTD |
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 09:20 - Jul 10 with 1329 views | PhilTWTD |
Down to 60 potential 'hyper shy' candidates now.
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 10:14 - Jul 10 with 1260 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 15:09 - Jul 9 by PhilTWTD |
I've long been infected by warkery. |
"It's here, it's there, it's every 'kingwhere, warkery, warkery!" |  |
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:18 - Jul 10 with 1170 views | Pencilpete |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 09:17 - Jul 10 by PhilTWTD |
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That picture is only dated 28th June which was only about a week before the election so i don't think it answers anything.
I'm not a Reform supporter by any stretch - as i said on a thread before the election i do agree with them that immigration is too high and i'd like to reduce it (not stop it totally like they want to do) - but i do think any issues they have are blown out of all proportions
i'm sure they do have some horrible people who say horrible things in their organisation ... but so did Labour, so did the Lib Dems and the Greens, these idiots are not exclusive to Reform and we need to stop pretending they are and we need to stop pretending that anyone who does support them and voted for tehm is some kind of racist bigot as well - i don't think we have 4.2 million racists roaming the streets of Britain.
I think Reform need to be treated like any other political party, you should come up with reasoned arguments and expose the flaws in their policies because just dismissing them as a group of racists is firstly not true but also playing into their hands. If their policies have no substance then expose that | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:30 - Jul 10 with 1145 views | soupytwist |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:18 - Jul 10 by Pencilpete |
That picture is only dated 28th June which was only about a week before the election so i don't think it answers anything.
I'm not a Reform supporter by any stretch - as i said on a thread before the election i do agree with them that immigration is too high and i'd like to reduce it (not stop it totally like they want to do) - but i do think any issues they have are blown out of all proportions
i'm sure they do have some horrible people who say horrible things in their organisation ... but so did Labour, so did the Lib Dems and the Greens, these idiots are not exclusive to Reform and we need to stop pretending they are and we need to stop pretending that anyone who does support them and voted for tehm is some kind of racist bigot as well - i don't think we have 4.2 million racists roaming the streets of Britain.
I think Reform need to be treated like any other political party, you should come up with reasoned arguments and expose the flaws in their policies because just dismissing them as a group of racists is firstly not true but also playing into their hands. If their policies have no substance then expose that |
If you click through to the X/Twitter post you'll see that the screenshot image is of a post made by Howard Cox on April 21st 2024 (about a week before the London mayoral election) |  | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:33 - Jul 10 with 1140 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:18 - Jul 10 by Pencilpete |
That picture is only dated 28th June which was only about a week before the election so i don't think it answers anything.
I'm not a Reform supporter by any stretch - as i said on a thread before the election i do agree with them that immigration is too high and i'd like to reduce it (not stop it totally like they want to do) - but i do think any issues they have are blown out of all proportions
i'm sure they do have some horrible people who say horrible things in their organisation ... but so did Labour, so did the Lib Dems and the Greens, these idiots are not exclusive to Reform and we need to stop pretending they are and we need to stop pretending that anyone who does support them and voted for tehm is some kind of racist bigot as well - i don't think we have 4.2 million racists roaming the streets of Britain.
I think Reform need to be treated like any other political party, you should come up with reasoned arguments and expose the flaws in their policies because just dismissing them as a group of racists is firstly not true but also playing into their hands. If their policies have no substance then expose that |
The trouble is, they’re not like any other party here in the UK. They do attract more than their share of idiots because their main (only really) focus is anti-foreigner and anti-immigration. They’re not a serious party and have no interest in anything other than disruption. Without Farage they’re nothing too. I had the misfortune of working alongside some of them in their former UkIP incarnation in Brussels. Worst people I’ve ever come across in the political sphere, by some distance. | |
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| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:50 - Jul 10 with 1104 views | Pencilpete |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:33 - Jul 10 by Swansea_Blue |
The trouble is, they’re not like any other party here in the UK. They do attract more than their share of idiots because their main (only really) focus is anti-foreigner and anti-immigration. They’re not a serious party and have no interest in anything other than disruption. Without Farage they’re nothing too. I had the misfortune of working alongside some of them in their former UkIP incarnation in Brussels. Worst people I’ve ever come across in the political sphere, by some distance. |
But thats my point - if everyone just stopped calling them racists and let them 'join in' then they'd very quickly be exposed.
Years ago at my work the manager left and a few of us went for the job including this sales guy who literally had no clue about the operational side of things but could talk a really good game so after a few weeks of squabbling i decided to withdraw my application and so did one of the other people going for it just leaving him and one other person
he got the job and lasted barely 6 months before he was acked because he couldn't do the job and was a disater at it, his sales BS didn't work on operational people and he got found out very quickly
same as reform - if they've only got one policy and farage then - don't argue with them, let them in and they'll soon be exposed and their lack of depth will be totally exposed. | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:53 - Jul 10 with 1096 views | PhilTWTD |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:30 - Jul 10 by soupytwist |
If you click through to the X/Twitter post you'll see that the screenshot image is of a post made by Howard Cox on April 21st 2024 (about a week before the London mayoral election) |
Cheers, hadn't realised the forum had truncated the image in the tweet. Meant to say picture was from April. | | | |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 14:19 - Jul 10 with 1074 views | PassionNotAnger |
| Did Reform field AI candidates? on 13:18 - Jul 10 by Pencilpete |
That picture is only dated 28th June which was only about a week before the election so i don't think it answers anything.
I'm not a Reform supporter by any stretch - as i said on a thread before the election i do agree with them that immigration is too high and i'd like to reduce it (not stop it totally like they want to do) - but i do think any issues they have are blown out of all proportions
i'm sure they do have some horrible people who say horrible things in their organisation ... but so did Labour, so did the Lib Dems and the Greens, these idiots are not exclusive to Reform and we need to stop pretending they are and we need to stop pretending that anyone who does support them and voted for tehm is some kind of racist bigot as well - i don't think we have 4.2 million racists roaming the streets of Britain.
I think Reform need to be treated like any other political party, you should come up with reasoned arguments and expose the flaws in their policies because just dismissing them as a group of racists is firstly not true but also playing into their hands. If their policies have no substance then expose that |
For someone that repeatedly says they aren’t a reform voter you seem to spend a considerable percentage of your posts on here defending them (or at least rebuffing some of the accusations against them).
Also noticeable that you try liken the the overt racism and misogyny from some of their candidates to broad examples within Labour, Greens and Lib Dem but no mention of the Tories (who’s recent, perhaps current, numerous examples of Islamophobia are a concern for many who aren’t of a far-right persuasion)
Fed up with so many apologists coming out of the woodwork with apparently new concerns about FPTP results, media stitch ups, wokery etc but all pretend that they don’t support the racist enabling, dog whistling, division stoking, grifters of Farage and pathetic Reform party.
Different badge of many who have gone before, BNP, UKIP and certain factions within the Conservatives. Ignore the smoke and mirrors, they are a far-right party and many who vote for them (not necessarily everyone) are racists [Post edited 10 Jul 2024 14:21]
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