| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? 22:49 - Jul 10 with 3618 views | Vic |
A couple of weeks ago no one gave him any chance of being in post for long after the tournament. But what now? However you cut it he's been successful in terms of tournament achievement - head and shoulders above any other England manager.
His football might not be the best, but he does what he's employed to do - go deep into tournaments. Going to be a tough decision I think - and if he stays I don't think he's got much credit in the bank going forward.
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| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:29 - Jul 12 with 588 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
Southgate deserves huge credit for restoring a sense of pride and belief around England football. He's done what apparently better managers with "golden generation" squads could not. He deserves our thanks and respect for that.
Equally he's been lucky, that in itself is no bad thing, our routes to the latter stages have been quite kind but that can't continue and ultimately we, he, has failed to capitalise on that luck.
We should have won 4 years ago but we invited Italy back into the game by sitting back, a hallmark of England under GS.
We have such talent, esp across the front line and one must feel that a more astute coach would have us playing better football and looking like Spain do currently and hopefully would take us that next step.
If we win, he should go with his head held high and the thanks of a nation behind him, sliding down the end of a redemption arc that might one day have films or TV series made about it and a firm grip on a knighthood.
If we lose he should go with acceptance that someone else is needed to take England that final step but wirh his head held high and the thanks of a nation behind him.
It's not always been pretty but he's restored belief.
Let's not forget Capello, Mclaren, Hodgson. The latter had Harry Kane taking corners FFS.
I think Spain beat us. I want very much to be wrong |  |
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| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:34 - Jul 12 with 582 views | itfcjoe |
I'm a massive Southgate fan because he has done so much for us, in the tournaments when it matters he has done brilliantly. He's taken us from a nadir to an historic high and has fostered an England camp that never felt possible under his predecessors.
We'll miss him when he's gone, and I think we will drop backwards when he goes, but would rather see that than a good man and manager continue to get abuse from the no-nothings who don't care about England between tournaments |  |
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| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:34 - Jul 12 with 576 views | Europablue |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 17:29 - Jul 11 by ford6600 |
Noooooooooo!
He should leave if we win and certainly leave if we lose.
Give himself, supporters, and players a break from his poor team selections, poor coaching, negativity, relying
on individual moments of brilliance from players often substitutes to get him out of a hole of his own making. Any half decent manager in charge for the last 8 years could have been on the brink of winning a 4th title in style. The PL is the best in the world we should be on the front foot and have a winning mentality not riding our luck and wetting ourselves because we reach a QF
SF or final. England are not Norwich who reminisce about reaching a SF! Although who knows GS may end up at Norwich his true level? I hope we beat Spain but it will be in spite of GS let's hope he doesn't dig a hole too deep for the players to recover from on Sunday. |
Southgate to Norwich would be the best ever! |  | | |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:36 - Jul 12 with 567 views | itfcjoe |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 21:34 - Jul 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
‘Any half decent manager in charge for the last 8 years could have been on the brink of winning a 4th title in style’
Good grief |
I was waiting for the 'sarcasm mode off' or similar in that post but it just didn't come. | |
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| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:44 - Jul 12 with 543 views | TheMover |
I am not, and never have been a fan of Gareth Southgate. I feel his brand of football is failing to get the best out of the majority of his players, but, he has got us going deeper into tournaments than any other manager of late.
Given this, I feel he should step down after the Euros, his stock will be probably the highest it will be and gives him a chance to do whatever he wants. He should be able to get a job in his pick of libraries around the country. | | | |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:46 - Jul 12 with 542 views | Europablue |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:34 - Jul 12 by itfcjoe |
I'm a massive Southgate fan because he has done so much for us, in the tournaments when it matters he has done brilliantly. He's taken us from a nadir to an historic high and has fostered an England camp that never felt possible under his predecessors.
We'll miss him when he's gone, and I think we will drop backwards when he goes, but would rather see that than a good man and manager continue to get abuse from the no-nothings who don't care about England between tournaments |
Southgate has done a lot of good. In a way he has set down the blueprint for how to get the players onboard, but you can't underestimate the significance of St Georges park and the strategy that has been in place fore many years now whereby all these internationals player together at youth level and build up rapport there. Southgate is part of that, but he can't take all credit for it.
You just can't get past his lack of coaching ability in game. He can make the right decisions, but usually 10 minutes too late. It worked out against the Netherlands, but that change should have been made 10 minutes before, the change was 10 minutes too late against Switzerland.
A better coach like Howe or Potter, certainly KM would build on what Southgate has put in place. I would expect us to build on what Southgate has built and either be as successful or more successful. We are likely to have tougher draws. Germany only got to the Quarter Finals of a home tournament, but they likely would have beaten anyone but Spain, and even then they were unlucky. | | | |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 09:02 - Jul 12 with 519 views | Stewart27 |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 22:51 - Jul 10 by FrimleyBlue |
Depends.
If he beats Spain then yes
But otherwise for me he's just been incredibly lucky with the sides we've faced.
I'm rooting for us Sunday. But can see Spain winning by 3 or 4 goals tbh. |
No manager should be decided on one game. It’s trophy dodging inbred levels of fickle. I’m aware there are Ipswich fans too who live from one game to the next. Even one half to the next.
Yes that game will result in winning a trophy, but the bigger picture here should already have been weighed up.
To me he has to go. I’d just love it for everybody’s sake that he wins. Would be a lovely way to bow out and he’d go down as England’s most successful manager. But the football world is changing and we need a manager who can change with it. | | | |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 09:08 - Jul 12 with 510 views | itfcjoe |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:46 - Jul 12 by Europablue |
Southgate has done a lot of good. In a way he has set down the blueprint for how to get the players onboard, but you can't underestimate the significance of St Georges park and the strategy that has been in place fore many years now whereby all these internationals player together at youth level and build up rapport there. Southgate is part of that, but he can't take all credit for it.
You just can't get past his lack of coaching ability in game. He can make the right decisions, but usually 10 minutes too late. It worked out against the Netherlands, but that change should have been made 10 minutes before, the change was 10 minutes too late against Switzerland.
A better coach like Howe or Potter, certainly KM would build on what Southgate has put in place. I would expect us to build on what Southgate has built and either be as successful or more successful. We are likely to have tougher draws. Germany only got to the Quarter Finals of a home tournament, but they likely would have beaten anyone but Spain, and even then they were unlucky. |
There is no parallel universe where these changes are made 10 minutes earlier and we can see whether they work better or not, ultimately he has made the changes when he has done so and they have been successful changes.
Seems laughable to criticise a manager for making a double substitution where one sets the other up to score the winner because some people watching it on TV thought he should have made the sub earlier!
One side of the draw was harder than the other because teams didn't get the job done, we were favorites and top seeds for our group, won our group and ended up where we should - that France couldn't beat Poland or Belgium not beating Slovakia is why they ended up on that side of the draw and it looking harder. We did our job.
We have had 'better coaches' failing to get the most out of hugely talented squads - but international football is attritional, bar Spain (and to an extent Germany) you just don't see good functional attacking sides in tournaments, managers don't have them long enough, they don't have the fitness levels and they can't recruit their way out of a problem. It's not the Champions League, or the Premier League - it's about leadership, not getting beat and creating enough moments which Southgate has shown himself to be adept at | |
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| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 09:48 - Jul 12 with 469 views | Radlett_blue |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 09:02 - Jul 12 by Stewart27 |
No manager should be decided on one game. It’s trophy dodging inbred levels of fickle. I’m aware there are Ipswich fans too who live from one game to the next. Even one half to the next.
Yes that game will result in winning a trophy, but the bigger picture here should already have been weighed up.
To me he has to go. I’d just love it for everybody’s sake that he wins. Would be a lovely way to bow out and he’d go down as England’s most successful manager. But the football world is changing and we need a manager who can change with it. |
Southgate is the most successful England manager ever in terms of performing well in the only tournaments that matter. Of course, that may be down to him inheriting a good set of players, rather than his genius. He certainly seems to have created a better atmosphere around the England team, but maybe that comes from being successful, not the other way around. But you can be in a job too long, so maybe it's time for a change. Certainly no need to start waving huge salary cheques in front of him if England win the thing. |  |
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| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 10:05 - Jul 12 with 462 views | Europablue |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 09:02 - Jul 12 by Stewart27 |
No manager should be decided on one game. It’s trophy dodging inbred levels of fickle. I’m aware there are Ipswich fans too who live from one game to the next. Even one half to the next.
Yes that game will result in winning a trophy, but the bigger picture here should already have been weighed up.
To me he has to go. I’d just love it for everybody’s sake that he wins. Would be a lovely way to bow out and he’d go down as England’s most successful manager. But the football world is changing and we need a manager who can change with it. |
One World Cup beats one Euros, but football is much more competitive these days. | | | |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 10:25 - Jul 12 with 441 views | Europablue |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 09:08 - Jul 12 by itfcjoe |
There is no parallel universe where these changes are made 10 minutes earlier and we can see whether they work better or not, ultimately he has made the changes when he has done so and they have been successful changes.
Seems laughable to criticise a manager for making a double substitution where one sets the other up to score the winner because some people watching it on TV thought he should have made the sub earlier!
One side of the draw was harder than the other because teams didn't get the job done, we were favorites and top seeds for our group, won our group and ended up where we should - that France couldn't beat Poland or Belgium not beating Slovakia is why they ended up on that side of the draw and it looking harder. We did our job.
We have had 'better coaches' failing to get the most out of hugely talented squads - but international football is attritional, bar Spain (and to an extent Germany) you just don't see good functional attacking sides in tournaments, managers don't have them long enough, they don't have the fitness levels and they can't recruit their way out of a problem. It's not the Champions League, or the Premier League - it's about leadership, not getting beat and creating enough moments which Southgate has shown himself to be adept at |
Just compare Southgate with KM. Do you honestly think that Southgate is a better coach and technician? Why does a newly promoted Premier League team have a vastly superior manager to the national team?
If you watch an Ipswich match you see when KM has set up wrong or the other team is doing something different, he dynamically changes things and he makes substitutions early. Unless I have a special talent, I assume that most fans get the sense when a goal is coming. KM will make substitutions when it becomes apparent that pressure is building. Southgate will always make those substitutions about 10 minutes too late. What was the thinking about brining Toney on so late against Slovakia? He was so incredibly lucky there that Bellingham stepped up with that moment of individual brilliance (it was lucky that the ball landed to him in the first place). We were punished against Switzerland when he made the change after the goal and we were saved by Saka's individual brilliance. Against the Netherlands it was fortunate that the chance came for Ollie Watkins within the short time he was given, granted extra time was also coming. It is a pattern that is obvious to most supporters and should be obvious to the manager. It does feel like you are giving excuses for Southgate like we used to hear for most recent managers, but KM doesn't need those excuses.
You have to excuse an Ipswich fan for expecting managerial standards to be higher for the national team than at ITFC!
Concerning the draw, yes, it's not our fault that we have had easier draws in the 2018 world cup, 2021 Euros and this time, but a better/more positive manager beats Croatia in the Semi, and beats Italy in the final. A better manager could just as easily lose to Spain, but that is because they are a great team. The real chance to win was against Italy at home. We are dependent on luck to go our way to win against Spain. | | | |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 11:17 - Jul 12 with 392 views | ford6600 |
| Southgate to carry on after Euro 24? on 08:34 - Jul 12 by itfcjoe |
I'm a massive Southgate fan because he has done so much for us, in the tournaments when it matters he has done brilliantly. He's taken us from a nadir to an historic high and has fostered an England camp that never felt possible under his predecessors.
We'll miss him when he's gone, and I think we will drop backwards when he goes, but would rather see that than a good man and manager continue to get abuse from the no-nothings who don't care about England between tournaments |
I'm not a Southgate fan because he hampers England with his selections and tactics. I will be glad when he leaves and think we will move forward thereafter. I agree he seems a good man, and the FA probably see him as a compliant, steady, arms round shoulder, encouraging sort of guy, so perhaps resuming as England Under 21 manager is the perfect fit for him? Beating Spain would be a great way to finish his tenure! (rather than a 4th 'clutching defeat from the jaws of victory'). | | | |
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