| Any gangs smashed yet? on 15:37 - Aug 13 with 736 views | noggin |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 14:55 - Aug 13 by witchdoctor |
I’m pretty sure that they used weapons to rape and pillage foreign countries so yeah..I’d call them a military force and their homeland was Norway…or have I got that wrong? [Post edited 13 Aug 2024 17:06]
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Again, Norway did not become an independent country until 1906. Yes some Vikings came from the area we know as Norway, but saying that they were acting on behalf of the country of Norway is a bit of spin. |  |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 15:56 - Aug 13 with 697 views | Pencilpete |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 14:57 - Aug 13 by soupytwist |
Let's assume that there are no legal impediments to all that.
How long are you (and the OP on this thread) prepared to give the new government to make the arrangements with France?
And procure and staff all you need for the weekly boat crossings back and forth?
And build the necessary facilities on the other side of the Channel?
And set up the 90 day of bed and board?
How much do you think it would be reasonable to spend on it all? |
First of all - i just put up a solution because someone asked what would everyones idea be .... this is mine.
I think if it was announced and they started work on it and we could see progress being made then i don't think there would be any issues at all - i'm not daft enough to think these things happen overnight and in an ideal world the return to France policy would have French support and if it was explained to them that once the gangs see it happening and people see there is a safe route through the proper channels then hopefully the dingys would stop pretty quickly, maybe a few pick up and retuens would be needed to show them we arn't messing about - but it would stop the small boats juts like that.
i don't think the cost of a vessel and staff to do a once weekly crossing, an Asylum application / processing building with staff and facilities etc would cost any more than the Rwanda scheme in truth ..... |  | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 15:59 - Aug 13 with 692 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 15:37 - Aug 13 by noggin |
Again, Norway did not become an independent country until 1906. Yes some Vikings came from the area we know as Norway, but saying that they were acting on behalf of the country of Norway is a bit of spin. |
But it was in a Union the same as Scotland now, and with a king of Norway (who was also involved in raids in the UK). I’m sensing some cognitive dissonance here - if Scotland leave the UK they can’t just turn round and claim no involvement in Empire.
Besides which if we are going to use a stick to beat Norway, I’d have said it was being a petro-state. As the biggest fossil fuel exporter in Europe (Russia aside), Norway has directly driven the climate crisis which is a factor in mass migrations (and will get worse as more areas become uninhabitable, and crops fail). All whilst using it to get rich.
To that point if (some) people are freaking out about migration now, you better get used to it - given our (human) failure on virtually every climate target we’ll be seeing much more dramatic movements of people in the future. | | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 16:17 - Aug 13 with 665 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 14:06 - Aug 13 by Pencilpete |
If you're asking me to quote article 15a, subsection 12, paragraph 2 Lines 5 to 18 of the Mogrants return act 1857 .... i'm afraid you're going to be disapointed.
What i know is Reform have said that we are entitled to return them under international law and on various political shows both Labour and Conservative MPs have confirmed that is the case but they choose not to invoke it to ensure smooth relations with France.
If we created a safe passage as per my earlier thread and put (my suggestion 250) people that had been preliminarily assessed and given 90 day temporary visas in a proper boat on a regular weekly sailing then they wouldn't need to use dingys and if as part of that process we made it clear to everyone and especially France that if people DO come over on dingys they they would be returned then you've just put the gangs out of business |
The issue falls under a landscape of international and maritime laws, state immigration laws, human rights laws and, as you’ve said, international diplomacy. Reform will be twisting and framing one version to suit their political agenda. I would trust their view on it as far as I could throw them. Plenty of independents have provided commentaries that better explain the situation, such as this one - https://www.bangor.ac.uk/news/2021-09-13-turning-back-migrant-boats-what-does-th |  |
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| Any gangs smashed yet? on 16:59 - Aug 13 with 614 views | soupytwist |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 15:56 - Aug 13 by Pencilpete |
First of all - i just put up a solution because someone asked what would everyones idea be .... this is mine.
I think if it was announced and they started work on it and we could see progress being made then i don't think there would be any issues at all - i'm not daft enough to think these things happen overnight and in an ideal world the return to France policy would have French support and if it was explained to them that once the gangs see it happening and people see there is a safe route through the proper channels then hopefully the dingys would stop pretty quickly, maybe a few pick up and retuens would be needed to show them we arn't messing about - but it would stop the small boats juts like that.
i don't think the cost of a vessel and staff to do a once weekly crossing, an Asylum application / processing building with staff and facilities etc would cost any more than the Rwanda scheme in truth ..... |
I didn't intend to be narky, but given the title of this thread was interested in your view. And my questions don't cover everything that would be needed.
You're right, we could probably run such a scheme for a good few years on the same amount that has been utterly wasted on the Rwanda debacle.
Would it work? Maybe, but there will always be people who want to get here outside official channels. Perhaps this would reduce that number to a manageable level. The number that have come by boat remains a relatively small proportion of overall immigration but the situation has been badly handled and weaponised by certain people. |  | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 17:48 - Aug 13 with 583 views | reusersfreekicks |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 10:52 - Aug 13 by bluejacko |
I take it you are having a pop at the empire? If you actually take the time to look there was very little of what you describe in creating the empire it was very much done by the diplomatic means and trade! True it benefited us bur the British army was much to small to go cavorting around the world raping and pillaging as you put it. |
Wow. Just wow |  | | |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 18:13 - Aug 13 with 539 views | DJR |
| Any gangs smashed yet? on 15:59 - Aug 13 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
But it was in a Union the same as Scotland now, and with a king of Norway (who was also involved in raids in the UK). I’m sensing some cognitive dissonance here - if Scotland leave the UK they can’t just turn round and claim no involvement in Empire.
Besides which if we are going to use a stick to beat Norway, I’d have said it was being a petro-state. As the biggest fossil fuel exporter in Europe (Russia aside), Norway has directly driven the climate crisis which is a factor in mass migrations (and will get worse as more areas become uninhabitable, and crops fail). All whilst using it to get rich.
To that point if (some) people are freaking out about migration now, you better get used to it - given our (human) failure on virtually every climate target we’ll be seeing much more dramatic movements of people in the future. |
For anyone interested, one of the Icelandic sagas, the 12th century Orkneyinga Saga, is
a narrative of the history of the Orkney and Shetland islands and their relationship with other local polities, particularly Norway and Scotland.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orkneyinga_saga
There is also an In Our Time programme about it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001zvvp
It's a subject I have an interest in because my grandmother hailed from the Shetlands.
It is worth pointing out though that the Vikings who were responsible for Danelaw in the east of England tended to come from areas in Scandinavia other than Norway. [Post edited 13 Aug 2024 18:20]
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